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arsehole1
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ID. P. Subbs central coast california
#19043265 - 10/27/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat:it just rained last night and on a walk i came across what looks like p. subbs. they found on grass. in santa maria California Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.
 Gills: Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.
Stem: Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.
Cap: Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.
Spore print color:black. Very important!
 Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.
Other information: Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: arsehole1]
#19043270 - 10/27/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cinctulus.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043369 - 10/27/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It kind of looks like Panaeolina foenisecii to me. I have never found subbs, but I have found Panaeolina foenisecii and these look like them. Unfortunately the foenisecii is not active. If you have subbs, sweet. If you have foenisecii, then not so sweet. The TI's probably know better than me, but I just thought I would pitch in my thoughts. Possibly P. foenisecii?
Edited by isic (10/27/13 11:29 PM)
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: isic]
#19043448 - 10/27/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope.
The stipes are classic of Pan. cinctulus. There's no harm in the mistake if I'm wrong, but I bet my nut I'm not.
Now all AH needs to to find at least 28 more.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043476 - 10/27/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Foes IMO, the gills are lite, and the stems are thin? spores look brown? the caps look good though.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (10/27/13 11:54 PM)
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19043507 - 10/27/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spores look black. Fools just need to learn patience when spore printing.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19043515 - 10/28/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not to stir the pot but if I found them I would think they are foenisecii. The gills color looks light brown, the stem color looks to brown and not red, it doesn't look pruinose. I think they spore print is kinda shoddy and wouldn't look jet black in the right light. I maybe way off, this is just my opinion.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Zoomed in on the spores you can see brown..
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (10/28/13 12:11 AM)
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Quote:
maynardjameskeenan said: Not to stir the pot but if I found them I would think they are foenisecii. The gills color looks light brown, the stem color looks to brown and not red, it doesn't look pruinose. I think they spore print is kinda shoddy and wouldn't look jet black in the right light. I maybe way off, this is just my opinion.
 A good solid 24 hour print would help confirm, light prints of foes and cincts can be hard to tell apart, and that print doesn't look dark enough to me anyway. Also, taking the print on foil can help make the black or brown really "pop," for some reason paper makes discerning the two difficult. A mature cinctulus will have very obvious black gills.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: MUSH HEAD420] 1
#19043559 - 10/28/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Zoomed in on it you can see brown..
Are you stoned?
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043563 - 10/28/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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why yes
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
#19043570 - 10/28/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellor. We need a better print. It's the surest thing to tell.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043588 - 10/28/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I totally trust your IDing skills and would bet that you are right canid, but I'm pretty sure I have never found subbs, but I have found these that are pictured by OP. It's just that the stems to me appear not to be that "meaty" and I understand subbs to have a "meatier" stem than foenisecii. Also the spore print is hard to make out, but it appears a little light. I always thought subbs had some pretty dark black spore prints and foenisecii was more dark purple/brown. I'm not sure about subbs, but I know holding a hand full of foenisecii smells like holding a hand full of walnuts.
On the flip side, if what I have been finding (that look just like these pictured) are in fact subbs and not foenisecii then hell yeah, I know where a shitload are!
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: isic]
#19043611 - 10/28/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it makes you feel better, I have found both, and found that apparent foenisecii which have brown/red stipes, or white stipes which turn distinctly brown-red when handled (when the minute fibrils brush off or crush down) have black spores and are probably P. cinctulus.
I have also found that there seem to be more under heavan and Panaeolus than are dream't of in our field guides. Sometimes just munch them and they're either active or not.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043616 - 10/28/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: If it makes you feel better, I have found both, and found that apparent foenisecii which have brown/red stipes, or white stipes which turn distinctly brown-red when handled (when the minute fibrils brush off or crush down) have black spores and are probably P. cinctulus.
I have also found that there seem to be more under heavan and Panaeolus than are dream't of in our field guides. Sometimes just munch them and they're either active or not.
Ain't that the truth.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043624 - 10/28/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll get a better spore print and I'll post it tomorrow.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19043649 - 10/28/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your description is pretty spot on with what I find except the spore color. The handful of spore prints I have taken came out pretty light. They are small mushrooms and leave pretty weak prints so I am not gonna say they were positive. I would probably need a microscope to be sure. I'll have to look next time to see if I can see some fibrils. Honestly I have not noticed any, but haven't been looking for it either.
I'll try and get some specimens soon and return with some pics. Believe me, I would love for them to be subbs.
Edited by isic (10/28/13 12:30 AM)
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: arsehole1]
#19044503 - 10/28/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think these are P. foenisecii. Those gills look brown and so does that spore print. A thicker spore print will make it easier though.
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: canid]
#19045349 - 10/28/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: If it makes you feel better, I have found both, and found that apparent foenisecii which have brown/red stipes, or white stipes which turn distinctly brown-red when handled (when the minute fibrils brush off or crush down) have black spores and are probably P. cinctulus.
You have it backwards, both Panaeolus and Panaeolina have the white fibrils on the stem because of the caulocystidia, but Panaeolus species around P. cinctulus often have reddish stems so these fibrils are much more visible while Panaeolina have much lighter stems that stain a light brownish color so they are quite so visible.
Everything in this find, the deep brown rather than black gills in maturity, the light non reddish stems, the non-zonate immature caps, the clearly brown spores points away from P. cinctulus and towards Panaeolina.
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canid said: The stipes are classic of Pan. cinctulus. There's no harm in the mistake if I'm wrong, but I bet my nut I'm not.
So, who are you going to send your nut out to? isic?
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Re: ID. P. Subbs central coast california [Re: Byrain]
#19045356 - 10/28/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hard to say. I sort of hoping there won't really be a big line forming for it.
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