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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19039824 - 10/27/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This happened to me after I was getting heavy into psychedelic use. I started tripping, often on high doses and I thought I knew everything and that people were completely lost. I thought I had some "special knowledge" that others didn't. I would rant about hidden meanings in life and explain to people what God is, as if they were going to listen to burnt out psychonaut.

We'll I begun becoming "too" obsessed with tripping. It begun to consume my every thought. I started tripping on LSD once a week, with maybe an occasional 2 or 3 week break in between, but that wasn't usually the case. I didn't care, I'd do it at night while my family was home about to fall asleep, then when I wasn't tripping all I could think about were these "lessons" and "obtaining more knowledge".

What began happening was I started getting a heavy tolerance. And eventually I started losing faith in psychedelics. It started with this one night where I took 2 of these very strong hits that I had saved. I remembered how taking two of these the first time was an incredibly strong trip, so I knew that these should have got me VERY high. Well, once again, it let me down. I wouldn't trip. I mean, I wasn't "sober" but I was by no means in any sort of "experience". It was just dull, meaningless and quite honestly, boring. So I said, "fuck this, I want to trip". So I basically took the rest of my stash on top of what I'd already taken to try and compensate for tolerance. It equaled out to about 6 or 7 more hits of acid.

Worst part is, I still didn't trip, but I was still "high", and while the LSD wasn't making me trip out, I was able to feel, intensely the effect it was having on my mind. I had a tolerance to tripping, but that doesn't mean it isn't effecting me the same physically or mentally. My brain felt like jello and it occurred to me that I was lost. Once again, I wasn't tripping but not "sober" either. It was just free of any "magic" I once saw in it. While being high I just thought about all of this "searching" shit, and how it's all contrived and a recipe for disaster. Trying to find God through drugs, or even without drugs, I realized it was all bullshit. I realized that I have no right to believe that because "I" take psychedelic drugs that I live on some higher plane of existence and knowledge. That is just bullshit.

I remember being put into the complete opposite head space I once had. I was no longer worth shit. I thought back to the people I'd preach my bullshit to, and realize that I didn't know shit, I was just some burnt out loser coming off as a psychopath. I felt that I had, quite literally, lost my mind. I thought back to the innocence of myself as a child, and what I've become, as if I was some sort of enlightened being. Ha, yea right.

However, that was a wake up call in my life, and those feelings existed only out of feeling an extreme disgust in psychedelics and mostly for myself, for awhile. I took a good year break from LSD after this, and only tripped on Mushrooms twice in that year. I needed that break, I started feeling like I had dosed at some point or several points throughout every day. No, I don't mean I'd start "tripping" again, but I'd feel the way I did when I had dosed with a huge tolerance, it felt exactly like that, almost constantly. It sucked.

However, this was a bitter phase in my psychedelic life, and I think it's one that many have come to at some point. I've read many stories on here about going through the heavy psychedelic use phase and realizing less is more with psychedelics, at least as far as frequency of use goes. I for one, still love large doses, but I need that several month break in between now, to me, it isn't worth it to trip too often anymore.

Moral of the story? For me, it started with what you said, the beliefs, the knowledge, so on and so on. Then It became complete bitterness and nothingness. Now however, I have reached my comfort zone with using psychedelics, I enjoy the trippy "lessons" WHILE I'm tripping, but I don't become "consumed" by them in life otherwise. What I look for in psychedelics now isn't recreation though. I think the strong point of psychedelics is teaching you about YOU. You may feel connected to everything outside of you, but your mind is creating the experience. Psychedelics cause you to live in a reality completely manifested by "your" conscious mind. How you perceive something during a trip is not necessarily how others do. Eventually with all these beliefs, somebody's going to be disappointed. It becomes like Religion in many ways. I wouldn't say they hold knowledge about the meaning of life, as much as they magnify your thoughts and your mind to the extreme of looking through a microscope, and if you use it more to analyze who "you" are, I think more can be taken from them.

This is just my experience with them though, not everyone feels this way. Just my two cents. I don't say this as a way of lecturing anybody, I made the mistake in those days of abusing them, it just sucked so bad I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else. :hippie:




thank you. it was a very interesting and helpful read because it looks like where i could head. i dont really use them for recreation, and i havent been using them for a long while, i've only had 6 trips or something... i only use them for recreation when im with friends who i want them to try it for the first time, but what i ultimately want out of this is to learn more about life and about myself... i think they teach you a lot about life and not just about yourself... i dont understand why you lost faith in them at some point in time... i understand why you would be sick from them. i also understand why you would question the 'knowledge' and see yourself as a psychopath because i feel the same way sometimes although ive done them waaaay more than you have, so i could imagine how that might have felt... but what i never lose is the that real certain feeling that there is truth in these experiences and i do not give a fuck what others might think...

what would you say the best interval between each experience is? if i had the supply, i think i'd want to do it every weekend! or at least once a month


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039860 - 10/27/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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thank you. it was a very interesting and helpful read because it looks like where i could head. i dont really use them for recreation, and i havent been using them for a long while, i've only had 6 trips or something... i only use them for recreation when im with friends who i want them to try it for the first time, but what i ultimately want out of this is to learn more about life and about myself... i think they teach you a lot about life and not just about yourself... i dont understand why you lost faith in them at some point in time... i understand why you would be sick from them. i also understand why you would question the 'knowledge' and see yourself as a psychopath because i feel the same way sometimes although ive done them waaaay more than you have, so i could imagine how that might have felt... but what i never lose is the that real certain feeling that there is truth in these experiences and i do not give a fuck what others might think...

what would you say the best interval between each experience is? if i had the supply, i think i'd want to do it every weekend! or at least once a month




You've done them more than I have? I take that as a typo, if you've only had 6 trips, you've got a long way to go to have tripped more than me. :lol: I'm joking, I figured it's a typo.

But listen man, I'm not saying there isn't truth in them, but it isn't "all" good. In the end I still take good from them again, right? My point was to inform you that you don't want to become overly consumed by it, which can eventually happen. The feeling of knowledge and/or power consumes everybody, look around at figures with power, it's consuming. In a sense, the knowledge you feel you obtain is powerful to you, and before you know it you allow the same thing to control you, you know?

You wouldn't understand the losing faith in psychedelics unless you have been there. What was once a blissful and magical experience, became the very thing disconnecting me from my friends and family because I felt alienated. I felt as though they were all "ignorant" to MY views. When you start taking a real look at that mentality, it's disgusting. It was temporary though, it isn't that I have faith in them again, as much as I have faith in myself to "use" them for the good.



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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19039929 - 10/27/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

got it :smile: and yes it was a typo :smile:
interval advice?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039938 - 10/27/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As far as intervals go, I'd say NO LESS than a month between. For me nowadays, that's pushing it. I personally prefer 3 months or more. I like to give myself time to totally forget what the psychedelic experience is really like, so when it hits me, I'm free of expectation or comparison. Psychedelic tolerance is physical, but, it is HEAVILY psychological as well. If you start doing it a week or two apart, it will, in my experience, lose it's value.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19039948 - 10/27/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as intervals go, I'd say NO LESS than a month between. For me nowadays, that's pushing it. I personally prefer 3 months or more. I like to give myself time to totally forget what the psychedelic experience is really like, so when it hits me, I'm free of expectation or comparison. Psychedelic tolerance is physical, but, it is HEAVILY psychological as well. If you start doing it a week or two apart, it will, in my experience, lose it's value.




cool, will try to stick to once a month. they're not really commonly available here in Egypt so I just go crazy whenever i can get my hands on some... will just get them and dry them to use whenever....
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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039963 - 10/27/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Happy to help! I didn't even notice you're from Egypt that's cool man!

Just find your own way, I didn't want to come between your love for psychedelics, use them as you want. I only said all this to save you from the possibility that you end up wasting your stuff, I wasted a good deal of my LSD stash doing that, it was good Acid too. I Can't say it was a waste though, it taught me the way to use them that works for me. So take your own path and see where it leads, I just felt I had to at least inform you of my experience simply to give advice, I'd feel wrong if I didn't. :peace:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19039972 - 10/27/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah im happy you did :smile:
soon i'd like to try LSD too, or would you think it's better to stick to shrooms since they are natural?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039974 - 10/27/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The more I do them I realize there is no answer in the shrooms. The answer is within us already.

I find them therapeutic if not entertaining now.



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You believe in karma but not really?




oh. yeah i believe in karma. i believe that good energy yields good results. i believe in bad energy and the negative effects it can do to me. what i meant is that i dont believe in religion, afterlife, etc. i mean i dont know. i dont know anything.



Well, you wrote that you were not a 'believer' so I suppose you misworded yourself? As per not believing in religions, Karma is most likely based on religious beliefs.

'Good energy / Bad energy', belief in the supernatural or paranormal?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19040062 - 10/27/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mm LSD... It's much easier to control and the mindfuck isn't as intense, unless you smoke weed in which it throws you into intense visuals and crazy mindfuck... tripping for 2-3 times longer. Extremely fun and the visuals are better IMO, more intense and in your face. all IME

It's amazing what two little papers can do


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19040085 - 10/27/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah im happy you did :smile:
soon i'd like to try LSD too, or would you think it's better to stick to shrooms since they are natural?



I love LSD. Try it when you come across it. They are both beautiful and good for their own things. I think I prefer the feeling of LSD, but that in no way means it's more intense, intensity is based on the dose at hand. Visually, LSD is far more intense though, Mushrooms have a mind fuck element that probably gives them the win on the mind fuck end of it. In high doses though, LSD will fuck you up, I have had many LSD trips that literally made me feel I've gone insane, in a fun way though. :lol:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19040091 - 10/27/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Peace of mind, lovely to read man:heart: Il take all those lessons with me...

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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Shortknight]
    #19040100 - 10/27/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The more intelligent you are the more lsd will do for ya. If you are insane high iq then that shit will fuck YOU UP BRO! :philososloth::wellholyshit:


sometimes it would be nice to be a stupid ass moron  :wooawesome:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19040113 - 10/27/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The more I do them I realize there is no answer in the shrooms. The answer is within us already.

I find them therapeutic if not entertaining now.



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You believe in karma but not really?




oh. yeah i believe in karma. i believe that good energy yields good results. i believe in bad energy and the negative effects it can do to me. what i meant is that i dont believe in religion, afterlife, etc. i mean i dont know. i dont know anything.



Well, you wrote that you were not a 'believer' so I suppose you misworded yourself? As per not believing in religions, Karma is most likely based on religious beliefs.

'Good energy / Bad energy', belief in the supernatural or paranormal?





yeah true. i guess im confused.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19040122 - 10/27/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mm LSD... It's much easier to control and the mindfuck isn't as intense, unless you smoke weed in which it throws you into intense visuals and crazy mindfuck... tripping for 2-3 times longer. Extremely fun and the visuals are better IMO, more intense and in your face. all IME

It's amazing what two little papers can do




maybe it's cuz i only experienced levels 2/3 trips that i still kinda underestimate the intensity of shrooms. right now, for me, nothing can go wrong on shrooms if set and setting are correct... i could be wrong, looking forward to finding out tho :smile:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19040124 - 10/27/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah im happy you did :smile:
soon i'd like to try LSD too, or would you think it's better to stick to shrooms since they are natural?



I love LSD. Try it when you come across it. They are both beautiful and good for their own things. I think I prefer the feeling of LSD, but that in no way means it's more intense, intensity is based on the dose at hand. Visually, LSD is far more intense though, Mushrooms have a mind fuck element that probably gives them the win on the mind fuck end of it. In high doses though, LSD will fuck you up, I have had many LSD trips that literally made me feel I've gone insane, in a fun way though. :lol:





i think i'll try it very soon. will let you know how that goes :smile:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19041200 - 10/27/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah I understand that. The world is depressing but its all because people are so deceived. It's all a result of our instincts and our innate behavior, which modifies our rational conscience behavior.

cigarette, cocaine or heroin addiction is a model of how money and power effects our brains. You take a line of heroin, you feel an intense rush of pleasure as a result of the increase in dopamine. That pleasure is what all humans are wired by nature to strive for in never satisfying amounts, so that we would be motivated to hunt for food and have sex. Dopamine is a thirst that can never be fully quenched.

Therefore, it manipulates large business owners into going to whatever lengths they can to make that extra dollar, even if it means deceiving or harming everyone else. The power of the dopamine craving is intense enough to remove our moral compass. Business owners know what catastrophic events they are causing just to get richer, but the drive for more money allows them to sleep at night with no guilt.


Yeah im tripping sorry for drawing this out but the only relevant fact is that we obviously can't change this fucked up place, but understanding it brings comfort, because it all makes perfect sense. The only way to be happy is to fulfill your purpose. Everyone has one, some follow it and some let it slip away because they got caught in the world's grasp





how can you define your purpose in a non-purposeful existence? im not a believer and i dont follow a religion. i know we came from somewhere but have no fucking clue what it is. how can i find a purpose, one with a strong conviction from my side?




You don't have to believe in God to believe we all have a purpose. This whole system called life is far too complex and fragile to be an accident imo. Even scientists have come to a general consensus that "something" had guided this system from the beginning. Some scientists believe that everything has already occured, were just playing along in current time. (something along those lines)

Believe it or not, you as an individual can change a lot more than the world around you. It's called the Butterfly Effect. Small events lead to huge changes, and I believe we all have a part to play.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: gman7104]
    #19042235 - 10/27/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Apollop, its up to you. You can define right however you wish.

When I wrote right I was relying on the assumption that the end of dukkha (suffering, unsatisfactoriness, stress, depression, etc.) is the goal. Which agrees with how I started my post, where I said that waking up doesn't need to suck.

I'm not into truth and inherent purpose/meaning, so if that's what you're after I don't know where to start! lol.


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    #19044048 - 10/28/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah I understand that. The world is depressing but its all because people are so deceived. It's all a result of our instincts and our innate behavior, which modifies our rational conscience behavior.

cigarette, cocaine or heroin addiction is a model of how money and power effects our brains. You take a line of heroin, you feel an intense rush of pleasure as a result of the increase in dopamine. That pleasure is what all humans are wired by nature to strive for in never satisfying amounts, so that we would be motivated to hunt for food and have sex. Dopamine is a thirst that can never be fully quenched.

Therefore, it manipulates large business owners into going to whatever lengths they can to make that extra dollar, even if it means deceiving or harming everyone else. The power of the dopamine craving is intense enough to remove our moral compass. Business owners know what catastrophic events they are causing just to get richer, but the drive for more money allows them to sleep at night with no guilt.


Yeah im tripping sorry for drawing this out but the only relevant fact is that we obviously can't change this fucked up place, but understanding it brings comfort, because it all makes perfect sense. The only way to be happy is to fulfill your purpose. Everyone has one, some follow it and some let it slip away because they got caught in the world's grasp





how can you define your purpose in a non-purposeful existence? im not a believer and i dont follow a religion. i know we came from somewhere but have no fucking clue what it is. how can i find a purpose, one with a strong conviction from my side?




You don't have to believe in God to believe we all have a purpose. This whole system called life is far too complex and fragile to be an accident imo. Even scientists have come to a general consensus that "something" had guided this system from the beginning. Some scientists believe that everything has already occured, were just playing along in current time. (something along those lines)

Believe it or not, you as an individual can change a lot more than the world around you. It's called the Butterfly Effect. Small events lead to huge changes, and I believe we all have a part to play.




can you please elaborate some more on the 'everything has occurred' part or tell me what to look up if i want to read more about this?


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    #19044050 - 10/28/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Apollop, its up to you. You can define right however you wish.

When I wrote right I was relying on the assumption that the end of dukkha (suffering, unsatisfactoriness, stress, depression, etc.) is the goal. Which agrees with how I started my post, where I said that waking up doesn't need to suck.

I'm not into truth and inherent purpose/meaning, so if that's what you're after I don't know where to start! lol.




alright, thanks :smile:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19044444 - 10/28/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you enjoy seeing other people as poor and pathetic?


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