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Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory
    #19043764 - 10/28/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy is a book that I want to check out


"Mantak Chia reveals for the first time to the general public, the ancient sexual secrets of the Taoist sages. These secrets enable men to conserve and transform sexual energy through its circulation in the Microcosmic Orbit, invigorating and rejuvenating the bodys vital functions. Hidden for centuries, these esoteric techniques and principles make the process of linking sexual energy and transcendent states of consciousness accessible to the reader. This revolutionary and definitive book teaches: Higher Taoist practices for alchemical transmutation of body, mind and spirit; The secret of achieving and maintaining full sexual potency; The Taoist "valley orgasm" -- Pathway to higher bliss; How to conserve and store sperm in the body; The exchange and balancing of male and female energies, within the body and with one's partner; How this practice can fuel higher achievement in career and sports."




I haven't read this yet but I've done my research.. and basically the sexual energy that u preserve can be used to promote a sense of well being, and help people progress in their true goals ect.. Anyone here have success with this or anything similar?? Please share.. success stories make me more likely to stick with it haha


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: c0ntent_in_spac3] * 1
    #19043925 - 10/28/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yah I'm taking Daoism as an upper division class at my university now. Got a few books I have to read. Came across that philosophy a few weeks ago. Its to preserve the essence of the male spirit or some shit. Lots of shit they do is also pointless like alchemical elixirs composed of lots of deadly shit...so I mean if your interested try it, just know it isn't always logical when it comes to religions.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Gorlax]
    #19044197 - 10/28/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Super interesting college course man! I'd really be into that


I honestly have a hard time believin any of that crap too though lol.. but when it comes to religions/ideas I just find eastern philosophy to be alot more believable


Bein that the roots of their ideas more came from "tripping and feelin the energy of your body" as opposed to other religions where they more just "tripped and believed some unpractical stuff" haha


Depriving all ur unnecessary senses, tappin into ur authentic self and studyin in-debth things about ur body, how systems are workin ect is a real thing though.. so I'm interested in this ancient, no-fap ideology haha.. it could even be horseshit for all I know but I'm super tempted to read into it


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: c0ntent_in_spac3]
    #19044278 - 10/28/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Silly superstitious nonsense. There's nothing mystical about natural processes. Your body makes millions of sperm cell everyday no matter what you do, so fap away! It's actually good for you.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19044330 - 10/28/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It may have physiological benefits but I think its vital to note psychological effects as well. :shrug:

The class is pretty cool though. Almost everything you read is a shock. drinking lead and mercury elixirs. trying to reach immortality. ingesting gold. sexual rituals and orgies, priest having fuck parties. basically a bunch of gnarly bad ass shit.

The Books primarily reading. I do admit though at times the scriptures are so confusing it just gets annoying.

Taoism - The growth of a religion (Robinet)

Stephen R. Bokenkamp (Early Daoist Scriptures)


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: c0ntent_in_spac3] * 1
    #19044751 - 10/28/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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c0ntent_in_spac3 said:
I haven't read this yet but I've done my research.. and basically the sexual energy that u preserve can be used to promote a sense of well being, and help people progress in their true goals ect.. Anyone here have success with this or anything similar?? Please share.. success stories make me more likely to stick with it haha



I missed the part where there was science.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19045377 - 10/28/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you wait for science to prove everything, well, you'd be waiting a long time. Do you have no belief in souls or your psyche because science hasn't said it's a particular part yet?


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Atrium]
    #19045398 - 10/28/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jamesdnh said:
If you wait for science to prove everything, well, you'd be waiting a long time. Do you have no belief in souls or your psyche because science hasn't said it's a particular part yet?



The thread title is "basically the science behind the no-fap theory".

I do not believe in a "soul" and I don't even know what you mean by the "psyche".


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19045436 - 10/28/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

psyche means soul, although into today's sensitive world it has come to mean "the mind" (in terms of psychology, which originally was the study of the soul, but is now referred to as the study of the mind) because of people who do not believe in a "'soul".

This leads me to wonder if pwnasaurus does not believe in anything that cannot be experienced through the five senses?

I do agree the thread title is misleading.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: trampis]
    #19045583 - 10/28/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I suppose the thread should have quotations around the "science" but overall, it makes sense.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Atrium]
    #19045616 - 10/28/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

less fapping = more testosterone

fapping is still good for you, fap on the weekends to conserve precious energy


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Atrium]
    #19045691 - 10/28/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jamesdnh said:
I suppose the thread should have quotations around the "science" but overall, it makes sense.



:lolwut:

It's either science or it's not.  You can't just put quotations around a word and decide you're going to redefine it.

This thread is most definitely not about science.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19045709 - 10/28/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because with quotations around it, it means that it doesn't actually mean what it says while still keeping the meaning.. fuck I don't know.

He should just have worded it better I guess.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Atrium]
    #19045756 - 10/28/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What makes something scientific?

"It follows the scientific method."

Who determines scientific method?

"The scientists."

What makes them scientists?

"They follow scientific method."

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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Atrium]
    #19045952 - 10/28/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jamesdnh said:
Because with quotations around it, it means that it doesn't actually mean what it says while still keeping the meaning.. fuck I don't know.

He should just have worded it better I guess.



Usually the word "hypothesis" or "theory" is used when there is absolutely no evidence involved.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19046077 - 10/28/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Silly superstitious nonsense. There's nothing mystical about natural processes. Your body makes millions of sperm cell everyday no matter what you do, so fap away! It's actually good for you.




i think masturbating is embarrassing for alot of people, if its excessive and shameful to them i can completely see there pysche taking a hit/motivation being dumbed down/focus being lessened. all signs of anxiety an depression


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Endure]
    #19046456 - 10/28/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no science here, not even close. Just mumbo jumbo nonsense. The real science is that your body does not distinguish orgasms. Ejaculation is ejaculation. The only difference is whether you are going to guilt trip yourself or not.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: trampis]
    #19046481 - 10/28/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What makes something scientific?

"It follows the scientific method."

Who determines scientific method?

"The scientists."

What makes them scientists?

"They follow scientific method."

:lolwut:




Hope you're not trying to create a fallacy here out of nothing.

Anyway, this sounds a lot like tantric energy build-up/storing. I dig it


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: trampis]
    #19046549 - 10/28/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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trampis said:
What makes something scientific?

"It follows the scientific method."

Who determines scientific method?

"The scientists."

What makes them scientists?

"They follow scientific method."

:lolwut:




Science is an ongoing discussion and endeavor. It does not claim absolute truth. It only makes claims which are substantiated by measurable and reproducible evidence. You are not required to believe in science or agree with any of its theories however if you want your own theories to be taken seriously the burden lies on you to provide the evidence and make sense of it. However, if science was all nonsense then we would still be in the middle ages.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #19046819 - 10/28/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

trampis said:
What makes something scientific?

"It follows the scientific method."

Who determines scientific method?

"The scientists."

What makes them scientists?

"They follow scientific method."

:lolwut:




Science is an ongoing discussion and endeavor. It does not claim absolute truth. It only makes claims which are substantiated by measurable and reproducible evidence. You are not required to believe in science or agree with any of its theories however if you want your own theories to be taken seriously the burden lies on you to provide the evidence and make sense of it. However, if science was all nonsense then we would still be in the middle ages.



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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: psyconaught]
    #19046966 - 10/28/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no science here, not even close. Just mumbo jumbo nonsense. The real science is that your body does not distinguish orgasms. Ejaculation is ejaculation. The only difference is whether you are going to guilt trip yourself or not.




personally, when i go from jacking off 2-3 times a day, to not jacking off for weeks, actually even just a couple of days, i notice a very significant and not placebo-like difference in my mental clarity, confidence/selfesteem/energy.

You just stated 'unless you guilt trip your self' maybe i do guilt trip myself sometimes, sometimes i dont. but i still feel alot more alive without it entirely.

i think we have a mind that distinguishes between sex and masturbating via thoughts... we all know thoughts lead to feelings. Compare how you feel after sex then how you feel when masturbating? because there is a profound difference in mood/feeling for myself and I- just my 2 cents/opinion/feelings/thoughts/remarks/belief/observances.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Endure]
    #19046987 - 10/28/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ohcrapitsnico said:
There is no science here, not even close. Just mumbo jumbo nonsense. The real science is that your body does not distinguish orgasms. Ejaculation is ejaculation. The only difference is whether you are going to guilt trip yourself or not.




personally, when i go from jacking off 2-3 times a day, to not jacking off for weeks, actually even just a couple of days, i notice a very significant and not placebo-like difference in my mental clarity, confidence/selfesteem/energy.

You just stated 'unless you guilt trip your self' maybe i do guilt trip myself sometimes, sometimes i dont. but i still feel alot more alive without it entirely.

i think we have a mind that distinguishes between sex and masturbating via thoughts... we all know thoughts lead to feelings. Compare how you feel after sex then how you feel when masturbating? because there is a profound difference in mood/feeling for myself and I- just my 2 cents/opinion/feelings/thoughts/remarks/belief/observances.



subjective opinion is not fact/science. For me its the opposite, i have an incredibly high sex drive so if i don't cum at least once a day my thoughts get cloudy and i overall get distracted. Obviously having sex relieves me much more than masturbation but its better than nothing.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Endure]
    #19047329 - 10/28/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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personally, when i go from jacking off 2-3 times a day, to not jacking off for weeks, actually even just a couple of days, i notice a very significant and not placebo-like difference in my mental clarity, confidence/selfesteem/energy.




This is true for me.
After a few days, though, my libido is raging and it feels sooo good to jack off.
I know if I managed to not jack off for over a few weeks that I would have a new-found drive to succeed in all aspects of life... maybe this is a good time to take a masturbation break!


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19047833 - 10/28/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Endure said:
personally, when i go from jacking off 2-3 times a day, to not jacking off for weeks, actually even just a couple of days, i notice a very significant and not placebo-like difference in my mental clarity, confidence/selfesteem/energy.




This is true for me.
After a few days, though, my libido is raging and it feels sooo good to jack off.
I know if I managed to not jack off for over a few weeks that I would have a new-found drive to succeed in all aspects of life... maybe this is a good time to take a masturbation break!




i bet you notice a difference


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19047953 - 10/28/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, their is no correlation between masturbation and "significant" decreased testosterone. The hormone cycle is the hormone cycle. However, it has been linked to shit like not seeking sexual activity because obviously one has already busted a nut and the body is satisfied.

Quite honestly the only thing that I am taking from this Daoism class is the balance of ones life. Your suppose to live in harmony and such, balance your good attributes and work on the bad ones.. all the talk of preserving jizz and drinking mercury was written in the early scriptures by "immortals" lol. When it merged with buddhism that is where the more peaceful harmony shit came into play.. meditation is also very important but I could never see myself meditating.. i think too much

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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: c0ntent_in_spac3]
    #19048689 - 10/28/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's really no point or reason to deny your body of a natural process it needs for release.
If you don't fap or have sex, you will cum in your damn sleep via wet dreams. It HAS to be released somehow.
It doesn't make you any more or less enlightened or healthy or whatever the fuck. Sexual energy is real as anything and must be channeled in a healthy manner.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #19052767 - 10/29/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From personal experience, sex is part of a balanced and healthy lifestyle. If you cannot find a partner, fapping is the next best thing :shrug: I know it seems pretty obvious put this way, but I got into fooling myself for a very long time believing that I could go without it ( I'm a bit of a misantropist you see and I like to be by myself ) until shit hit the fan and I realized that being without a partner for a very long time, you run the risk of creating a very deep unbalance in your life. Fapping helps, but it's only so you manage until you find a special someone to share sex with.

I had to reajust and find someone. Fortunately, I did and I will never go back into thinking that I can live without sex and hope to be a balanced individual. Sex is simply too important a part of being an animal, a human being.

If you have to fap, fap away! But nothing beats the happiness of having sex with someone, someone you like.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Shroomism]
    #19053308 - 10/29/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you don't fap or have sex, you will cum in your damn sleep via wet dreams. It HAS to be released somehow.




That is not true.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: WScott]
    #19053386 - 10/29/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
If you don't fap or have sex, you will cum in your damn sleep via wet dreams. It HAS to be released somehow.




That is not true.



It is for most men.  Definitely true for myself.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19061726 - 10/31/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Silly superstitious nonsense. There's nothing mystical about natural processes. Your body makes millions of sperm cell everyday no matter what you do, so fap away! It's actually good for you.




Exactly. Some of the woo woo bullshit people believe is stunning. As for jerking off, if you don't take care of it yourself, you'll just start having wet dreams. It's gonna come out whether you like it or not.

If I don't cum after a max of about 2 weeks, I'm going to end up with a big gooey mess in my underwear to clean up in the middle of the night. Much easier to just have "controlled burns"


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: WScott]
    #19061728 - 10/31/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
If you don't fap or have sex, you will cum in your damn sleep via wet dreams. It HAS to be released somehow.




That is not true.




You are probably a dribbler, and don't even notice it.


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Re: Taoist secrets - basically the science behind the no-fap theory [Re: koods]
    #19063942 - 10/31/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nah man, not a dribbler but a
kunadalini-alchemical shape-shifting dimension-crossing wizard of the Northern Cosmic Winds.


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