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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19041594 - 10/27/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...




So do you want income inequality or not?





Name me one system that has had 'income equality'  That is a buzzword for a redistribution system where the only ones left rich are the elitists who run the show.

Where does 'income equality' end?  If they preach 'income equality' well fine.  I want a fucking jet plane like Obama, and be able to fly around to exotic golf course, take vacations when I want, and have movie stars and bands over to the house to jam while I party down.

If we have income equality, why can't I have the same thing that Obama has?  :smirk:




You seem to be under the illusion that Obama is some kind of socialist that wants to redistribute the wealth... I really wish you were right, I might have actually voted for him. Your mind has become so dominated by right-wing propaganda that you honestly think that some liberal moderate backed by major banking, is a socialist. It's just ridiculous.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19041759 - 10/27/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Where were you when he said he wanted to spread the wealth around?  Your dishonesty is awesome.  Do you work for Jay Carney?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19041792 - 10/27/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Where were you when he said he wanted to spread the wealth around?  Your dishonesty is awesome.  Do you work for Jay Carney?




What Obama says, and what he actually does in office are two completely different things. Just like the majority of every politician ever.
Not that i doubt he ever said "spread around the wealth" but more then likely you herd it taken of of context on some conservative talk show propaganda machine.
  Honestly all you have to do is look what the Socialist party of America has to say about him. They hate him, like every other socialist or communist should. He's a strong state capitalist that voted to bail out corporate America, and is a strong supporter of the military industrial complex, and Wall-street. His administration is stocked with chairmen of Goldman Sachs and Fannie Mae.  He's a huge capitalist, ask any socialist.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19041852 - 10/27/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The term state capitalist is an oxymoron.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Shins]
    #19041861 - 10/27/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420] * 1
    #19041890 - 10/27/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

he's a crony capitalist. Crony capitalism and free market capitalism are nearly the opposites of each other.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19041897 - 10/27/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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False.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/state+capitalism



it doesn't matter if it has a definition its still an oxymoron in a technical sense.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19041976 - 10/27/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Crony capitalism and state capitalism are basically the same thing. All capitalist societies evolve into state or crony capitalism; So I fail to see how it's an oxymoron.  Maybe when you refer to socialism, do you think you can be more precise too? Whenever you say socialism, I think you really mean Stalinism, or maybe any other bolshevik bullshit.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19041995 - 10/27/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so·cial·ism
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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19042057 - 10/27/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19042081 - 10/27/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what is it about economic freedom and personal liberty that you despise so much? Thats a legitimate question by the way.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19042597 - 10/27/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Define freedom for me first. I think you have freedom confused with freedom to exploit others.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19042720 - 10/27/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd just like to point this out again. When you don't pay someone enough to make ends meet doing their full-time job, their only option is welfare; costing Americans tax dollars. If you don't think people should receive welfare, the only two options are:
A) for that person to starve, or turn to crime.
B) for the company to take responsibility for paying their employees enough money to survive in the city they live in.

McDonald's tells employes to sign up for food stamps. 
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/24/mcdonald-s-employeehelplineadvisesfoodstampsnotwageincrease.html


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19042940 - 10/27/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no one is forced to work anywhere. Besides as i've said before, not every single job is meant to provide a living wage, and why should they be forced to provide a living wage for jobs that don't deserve it? economic freedom, the ability to do what you want without government interference as long as you are not harming another individual. And no paying someone a small amount of money for a no skill job is not harming or exploiting them.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19043067 - 10/27/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The majority of people ARE FORCED to sell their souls to shitty minimum wage jobs. For hundreds of thousands of people, specifically those with a criminal record, a shitty minimum wage job is the only place that will hire you. That person is FORCED to work there, or be evicted from their home, and starve on the street. There is nothing voluntary about about that.
  the working class is forced to sell themselves into corporate slavery in order to survive and feed their family. The working class has zero "economic freedom" they are only as free as their class is permitted to be with their wages.  You're telling me that just because some job is easy, or mundane; that person who devotes all of their time to this job, does not deserve to make their rent. They do not deserve the ability to afford food. They do not deserve the right to have children. Said person is below you. You call that liberty? More like wage slavery.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19043092 - 10/27/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

please show me where i said that they do not deserve to make rent or buy food?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19043102 - 10/27/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not all corporations are bad and some people choose to work at them and even make good wages.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19043109 - 10/27/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When you said they deserve less then $7.25 an hour. Which is barley enough to scrap by.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19043125 - 10/27/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

some jobs aren't worth 7.25 an hour. Sorry thats just the truth of it. Tell me this, if there are two identical jobs, lets say pumping gas for customers at a gas station. And one of these jobs is held by a teenager still in high school. The other by a father with two kids. Assuming they are working identical hours, should they be paid the same amount? or should the parent get more money?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19043134 - 10/27/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People deserve whatever other people are willing to pay them no matter how low or high.  If you think you deserve a better wage sell yourself to other companies for more.


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