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fleki
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19042418 - 10/27/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha Skippy that's awesome! Picked the biggest, it's in the dehydrator right now. It went from veil break to pretty opened up in the last like 12 hours.

Can anyone tell me what this black powder like substance is that was forming on the cap? It comes off easily and isn't spores as far as I can tell. In my earlier pic it was basically all orange.
Edited by fleki (10/27/13 08:04 PM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
#19042475 - 10/27/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unless there is a good wind spores only fall down. They certainly would not be on top of your first cap to break veil. Plus you can't wipe spores off with a brillo pad, they're like a dark purple magic marker when they stain the sub and the other shrooms Your pic won't expand for me, so I can't really see what your talking about, but a dry, black powder that wipes off can't be good. Is it only on the harvested cap or are others infected as well?
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19042516 - 10/27/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doesn't appear to be any others with it. In my previous pic update you can see it a little on the biggest cap, almost like a black streak on it's cap. Didn't think anything of it
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elasticaltiger
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19042534 - 10/27/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: Unless there is a good wind spores only fall down. They certainly would not be on top of your first cap to break veil.
This is incorrect. Those are spores. Spores are hella light. The tiniest air currents will waft them up on top of any mushrooms they 'fall' from. The expanded pictures definitely shows dark purple spores. It's not pitch black.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18195#18195
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Edited by elasticaltiger (10/27/13 08:22 PM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19042563 - 10/27/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol they all seem to have landed on the one that dropped them though =/ And like I said it looks like it started before the cap was fully opened.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19042567 - 10/27/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lookin good' - after you harvest that flush- I advise patching- or adding a caseing. At least a 1/4 inch. You have a lot of potential in that substrate right now; caseing layers; are not needed with this species, but, sometimes they help even out the pit set, and help primordia form without the abuse of the water in the air, pooling on the myc. Oh and yeah the spores, they are pretty- my profile pic shows Amazons after they spored all over themselves for a week.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Civ]
#19042583 - 10/27/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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awesome for you!
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Rubestoad]
#19042725 - 10/27/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)

I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
#19043061 - 10/27/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fleki said: Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)

I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol
Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Enjoy your test drive sir!
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
#19043089 - 10/27/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: DeadPhan]
#19044439 - 10/28/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea ur right tiger, even SW.com states that they only get to around 4.5" most. I've never really seen big mazas lol. Makes them kinda perfect for a mini mono. Woke up to find everything opened up and a bit of sporing.

Don't have a scale so I couldn't tell ya overall weight.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19044447 - 10/28/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.
Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.
Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.
Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)
This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.
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Edited by PussyFart (10/28/13 05:47 AM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
#19044806 - 10/28/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.
Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.
Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.
Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)
This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.
Mazatapec is the town in Mexico, where this strain was discovered and not just some made up vendor name.(not that I have ever received one single print from a vendor, mine were all shared out of kindness by un-named individuals) For me the Maz grew small fruits with full canopies under any condition I grew them in. IMO that's the genetics on this one.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
#19045385 - 10/28/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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elasticaltiger said: Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.
Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.
Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.
Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)
This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.
I agree with everything you say. As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule. I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath
Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.
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Edited by elasticaltiger (10/28/13 10:07 AM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19045416 - 10/28/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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elasticaltiger said: Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.
Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.
Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.
Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)
This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.
I agree with everything you say. As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule. I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath
Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.
Believing everything somebody says  Get some experience before giving advice At least grow the strain out yourself one time
If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits. If you guys are buying from a vendor and the results are different than claimed, IMO you should change vendors  Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19045440 - 10/28/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said:
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elasticaltiger said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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elasticaltiger said: Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Well they can be either big or small, so them being small is not that big of a stretch.
Cubes are cubes, and any variety can produce fruits that look like that.
Just because they are small means nothing...I have had small GT, Z, and PE6 that look just like that.
Size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
(Please do not associate individual genetics with some name some vendor gave some group of spores some time ago)
This is the kind of info that confuses noobs, and makes them think the name of said variety actually matters, when in reality it does not.
I agree with everything you say. As I said, I know that small fruits are by no means the rule. I believe this is entirely the result of a limited genepool from a specific sponsor (I believe there are only two sponsors who carry spores labelled in this name) so all grows are stemming from that same sample of multispore genetics which just so happen to have a tendency to grow small fruits in typical amateur growing conditions. /breath
Edit when I said 'as I said' I meant in from whatever post that was a couple days ago.
Believing everything somebody says  Get some experience before giving advice At least grow the strain out yourself one time
If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits. If you guys are buying from a vendor and the results are different than claimed, IMO you should change vendors  Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.
Are you talking to me skippydude? Because I did grow them... And they were small.

Unfortunately the only pictures I have uploaded of them are the pins and then this one of some contaminated fruits a couple of the cakes got. I know there are vendors who travel the world looking for prints. What I'm saying is that I think the genepool available from vendors is pretty small and all stemming from a few samples.
I agree with notahacker to the extent that if someone traveled back to that town in mexico I'm sure they could find samples of patches with large fruits.
-------------------- First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger! No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit. "The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates) Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson EZEKIEL 23:20
Edited by elasticaltiger (10/28/13 10:37 AM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19045488 - 10/28/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My bad, I'll try not to be so sensitive  I got a non-sponsor buddy that is a mycologist & botanist first and a vendor second. The dude travels the world to bring back exotic edible, medicinal & active strains for you and me. The guy would never let his logo go on a fake print. Just want folks to know that it's true there are rip offs in all walks of life, but it's not cool judging all by the actions of a few.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19045854 - 10/28/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: If your Maz print is "authentic" you should expect full, heavy canopies of relatively small fruits.
On which flush?
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skippydude said: Trust me there are vendors that actually travel to other countries to gather genetics. To claim all vendors to be rip offs is just wrong.
No one claimed that....
And they travel to other countries to get prints, which are made up of millions of unpredictable genetics that have yet to be determined.
Just clarifying....
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Edited by PussyFart (10/28/13 12:19 PM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19045860 - 10/28/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: My bad, I'll try not to be so sensitive  I got a non-sponsor buddy that is a mycologist & botanist first and a vendor second. The dude travels the world to bring back exotic edible, medicinal & active strains for you and me.
You mean active varieties, not strains....
But you should know this.....
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
#19045906 - 10/28/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Maz gave consistent grows for me, full canopy flush after flush till contamination set in. Of course weight and fruit size diminishes as in later flushes as the nutrients are getting used up.
Edited by skippydude (10/28/13 12:36 PM)
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