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First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out?
    #19042756 - 10/27/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, I was wondering if tripping on LSD or shrooms could help me out with my current problem in life. I'm not planning on using LSD or shrooms to "cure" my problem, but rather, just push me a step forward in defeating it... I suffer from anhedonia and apathy, emotional numbness, no joy in music, no joy in life, nothing. In other words, there's like no point for me to even live in this world, yet I still continue to do so because I knew what it was like to live before... And I still feel like it's possible that the feeling would one day come back. One can only hope.

I've tried a lot of the "natural" stuff, such as exercising, nootropics, and I've also been trying to eat (working out makes me eat). None of it really did much for me. Even MDMA, something that a lot of people says fills you up with emotions and happiness, did nothing for it. I feel like MDMA is like the drug that amplifies whatever emotions you currently have, but if you got none in the first place, it's not gonna be able to amplify anything.

So yeah, I'm really wondering: What would help me out? Could LSD or shrooms do something like change my mind to finally enjoy things again? I don't even know why I don't enjoy things. It's not like I chose to be this way.

As for laughter, I don't get any of it. Well, I do, but I don't feel connected with it. I could express emotions (it's just that it's really hard for me to do so now), but I can't feel connected with any of it. I also have no libido either...

As for seeing a doctor/psychiatrist, I kinda gave it a try. I didn't like it. It might take me a long time to find the right one... Not to mention the cost, which I can't really pay for :/

Anyways, so what do you guys think? Has anyone here suffered from emotional numbness? Have you found a way out of it? What was it?

Again: I'm not planning on taking BOTH at the same time. I'm gonna try one at a time, but I was wondering which one would be the best to start out with. I'm thinking of LSD..

And again: I'm not doing these drugs as a "cure". I'm not gonna go in thinking it's gonna suddenly resolve all my problems... but all I ask is that I get to see the world clearly again. Maybe a reset with my brain, or maybe allow me to see the world again as if I was a child. Hearing music for the first time, maybe just being alive for the first time again. Who knows.

Anyone got any thoughts? I really don't see a point in living in a black and white world. I mean, what's the point of talking and flirting with girls if I can't even feel anything? It's like, I'm just leading them on whenever I'm able to socialize (on MDMA, or alcohol). Some days, I'll just be able to socialize like normal. Those are my okay days. And my creativity sucks...

There's probably more to it but it's a bit too much to really talk about it. Well, I think it's more just like fillers, describing the issue even further but I think you guys get the point. I dunno.

Have any suffered from anhedonia, emotional numbness and went through a trip that made you see things differently?


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: NotLiving]
    #19042834 - 10/27/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First off, I totally understand man, you aren't alone. I can't say I am as numb as I used to be, but in many ways I still am. Psychedelic use took me through all highs and lows. The trips were always good, but I can't say my life was permanently good after using them, you know? They did help me in certain ways though, it's possible there are areas in which it didn't particularly "help", but not too many that I can think of myself.

You honestly sound like a smart person. Normally I'd tell somebody no with that mental state, but you really don't seem like a moron from this post. A lower starter dose may be a good way to see if it's your cup of tea. In higher doses, it will definitely confront you with emotions and show you, to yourself.

Personally though, if you want to experience your inner most emotions and feelings, Mushrooms may be the way to go. However, LSD is also good at giving off a VERY happy energized feeling with the trip.

But for some reason, I'm feeling the Mushrooms are right for you man. :thumbup:


Edited by Peace of Mind 1 (10/27/13 09:20 PM)


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19042849 - 10/27/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

try this song it should inspire you..if you can understand growls

but the chorus is a good mantra

"would it be okay to be a part of the solution"



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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19043761 - 10/28/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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peace of mind 1 said:
First off, I totally understand man, you aren't alone. I can't say I am as numb as I used to be, but in many ways I still am. Psychedelic use took me through all highs and lows. The trips were always good, but I can't say my life was permanently good after using them, you know? They did help me in certain ways though, it's possible there are areas in which it didn't particularly "help", but not too many that I can think of myself.

You honestly sound like a smart person. Normally I'd tell somebody no with that mental state, but you really don't seem like a moron from this post. A lower starter dose may be a good way to see if it's your cup of tea. In higher doses, it will definitely confront you with emotions and show you, to yourself.

Personally though, if you want to experience your inner most emotions and feelings, Mushrooms may be the way to go. However, LSD is also good at giving off a VERY happy energized feeling with the trip.

But for some reason, I'm feeling the Mushrooms are right for you man. :thumbup:



Thanks a lot, man. It's good to know I'm not alone :smile: That makes me feel more reassured knowing that someone's been through the same (and I totally feel for you, despite not being able to feel).

I also do understand that you're never gonna be back to the same way you were before. Maybe being back to that state of normalness is too much to ask for. Besides, I'm sure there will be things that I've learned that I would never have understood if it weren't for tripping.

What are the main differences between shrooms and LSD? And what's the differences between shroom "strains"? Do they really have a different effect from each other similar to weed? I've read that it's easier to talk to people on shrooms than it is on acid. If so, that's a plus because I certainly wouldn't want to be anxious around strangers and such, especially when I'm walking outside.

I know with all psychedelics it really depends on set and setting. For some reason, I feel like LSD depends more on it because it lasts way longer, so there's more you'd have to plan out for the day. And that it also seems to make some people more anxious around others than shrooms does, or maybe I just haven't read up enough reports about shrooms.

What are some of the reasons you'd tell me to go with shrooms over acid (out of curiosity)? What's the better one if you were to say, trip alone at night in your room? Can shroom also make you enjoy music and all that similar to how acid does?

Well, then again, I got no experiences with any psychedelics, so that's why I'm wondering. I heard LSD affects your dopamine levels a bit (your D2 receptors?), so I was more interested in acid because of that. What if it happens to be that my dopamine levels are complete crap despite me exercising and taking nootropics before? Eh, who knows. I won't know until I give them a try, but I will definitely want my trip to be a trip that lasts onto my sober life.

And what about music? Will it help me finally enjoy music again?

:| Music was such a big part of my life and it wasn't until it was gone that I realized that. I didn't feel the pleasure out of music no more. I didn't feel the euphoria that music gave me. It was like, I could have just listened to music all day while laying down on my bed. Now, I can't even do that. I can't even think in peace anymore. I can't come home from work, turn up the music in my car, lay down and relax anymore. I don't even know what relaxation is. It just doesn't feel possible for me. My mind keeps on running and OCD never seems to stop. My thoughts aren't clear and my brain feels so clouded and foggy.


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: NotLiving]
    #19044038 - 10/28/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, I dont think lsd can cure you that quickly. Definately not with the "normal" Dosage and alone etc. Srsly for problems like yours there is lsd psychotherapy. That starts with doses of 600-1200mic grof said.
You need people who are pros and know what they are doing. :fasted:


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: rikuni]
    #19044415 - 10/28/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, you seem to be suffering from depersonalization (maybe i'm not a doc). To your question, I think the stamp will show you what music is, it is hard to imagine anyone who won't go 'whoa' listening to music on it, when i say music i mean pure music, trance, psy trance and such. It may not make you perpetually happy but will give you much more prespective of what it means to be happy which i think is the root of being truly happy.  It will show you who you are, emotions and associations you though never existed, including 'bad' ones like sadness, shame and so on.. If u decide to go with it, do respect it and go in with a clear headed mind and be honest, to thyself. Listen to music, look at things.. peace.


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19044587 - 10/28/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Deathcore said:
try this song it should inspire you..if you can understand growls

but the chorus is a good mantra

"would it be okay to be a part of the solution"






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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: chocoboy]
    #19044794 - 10/28/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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chocoboy said:
Hmmm, you seem to be suffering from depersonalization (maybe i'm not a doc). To your question, I think the stamp will show you what music is, it is hard to imagine anyone who won't go 'whoa' listening to music on it, when i say music i mean pure music, trance, psy trance and such. It may not make you perpetually happy but will give you much more prespective of what it means to be happy which i think is the root of being truly happy.  It will show you who you are, emotions and associations you though never existed, including 'bad' ones like sadness, shame and so on.. If u decide to go with it, do respect it and go in with a clear headed mind and be honest, to thyself. Listen to music, look at things.. peace.



Well, hey, I love trance. I loved music and I'd love to love music again.

What do you think's better for this case? Shrooms or LSD?


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: NotLiving]
    #19045427 - 10/28/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You state your dopamine levels are crap.  This could likely be causing your anhedonia.  Any benefits gained by this psychedelic therapy would be temporary.

You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which contains L-Dopa (Dopamine precursor).  I smoke a mix of the stuff (blended with Kanna)to great effect, but it is normally ingested/ made tea, especially after Green Tea/ EGCG.


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in the September 2004 issue of the journal "Phytotherapy Research," researchers confirmed that administration of Mucuna pruriens restored the levodopa, dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin content in the brains of rats

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/544795-mucuna-pruriens-and-depression/#ixzz2j2CJhMwt





http://www.livestrong.com/article/544795-mucuna-pruriens-and-depression/

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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19045435 - 10/28/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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HostDisorder said:
Quote:

Deathcore said:
try this song it should inspire you..if you can understand growls

but the chorus is a good mantra

"would it be okay to be a part of the solution"






20/10




fixed that for ya...

find a band that can create just epic melodies and beautiful tones better than that.

this song "soul journeys" got me into em.. older album




lyrics

There
in front of a house
a blind sacred standing
He sees clearly
that a way to float is not to escape
Clearly
pain a constant in every move

And one refuses
ceases to feel
his eyes are not in pair
He sees clearly
that a way to float is not to escape
Clearly
pain a constant in every move

Walk with wind
down a road
to hear a sound
to burn out loud
in silence
for everyone's sake
for everyone
Everyone is awake


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Re: First time tripping on LSD (and psychedelics in general). Can it help my state out? [Re: flickedbic]
    #19048246 - 10/28/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
You state your dopamine levels are crap.  This could likely be causing your anhedonia.  Any benefits gained by this psychedelic therapy would be temporary.

You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which contains L-Dopa (Dopamine precursor).  I smoke a mix of the stuff (blended with Kanna)to great effect, but it is normally ingested/ made tea, especially after Green Tea/ EGCG.


Quote:

in the September 2004 issue of the journal "Phytotherapy Research," researchers confirmed that administration of Mucuna pruriens restored the levodopa, dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin content in the brains of rats

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/544795-mucuna-pruriens-and-depression/#ixzz2j2CJhMwt





http://www.livestrong.com/article/544795-mucuna-pruriens-and-depression/

I will PM you with a good vendor.



There's no definite proof that my dopamine levels are crap but it feels that way. And I'm saying, even with exercising and taking some nootropics that are said to upregulate and boost those receptors, I still feel like crap, therefore, I don't even know if it's a dopamine issue... I really hope not, as I have been taking L-DOPA/Mucuna Pruriens before. I'm afraid of taking too much because of downregulation of dopamine receptors, but eh. Thanks though, I've been through my uses of nootropics and it didn't really do too much for me. I didn't even want to be taking too much either.


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