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Deathcore
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HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE?
#19042637 - 10/27/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042687 - 10/27/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi I'm a creationist
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042690 - 10/27/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is reality possible?
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Sleepwalker
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042698 - 10/27/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NOBODY KNOWS
that's the most honest answer you're gonna get
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19042707 - 10/27/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because if it wasn't, it would be non-reality.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Telumbe Maur]
#19042742 - 10/27/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It isn't..
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Sleepwalker
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: searching]
#19042753 - 10/27/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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searching said: It isn't..
Well we are having this conversation right now so I would beg to differ.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042775 - 10/27/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Entropy.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Phleg]
#19042794 - 10/27/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said: Entropy.
This show on Science channel called "Through The Wormhole" talks in one episode about entropy being a vital part in "time" and how we perceive the "past" and "future".
That show is amazing.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: searching]
#19042800 - 10/27/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only truth thats rough to talk about for me and plenty other people is the fact all we know is the present moment,
“We are living in a culture entirely hypnotized by the illusion of time, in which the so-called present moment is felt as nothing but an infintesimal hairline between an all-powerfully causative past and an absorbingly important future. We have no present. Our consciousness is almost completely preoccupied with memory and expectation. We do not realize that there never was, is, nor will be any other experience than present experience. We are therefore out of touch with reality. We confuse the world as talked about, described, and measured with the world which actually is. We are sick with a fascination for the useful tools of names and numbers, of symbols, signs, conceptions and ideas.”(Alan watts)
“If, then, my awareness of the past and future makes me less aware of the present, I must begin to wonder whether I am actually living in the real world.”
(Alan Wilson Watts, The Wisdom of Insecurity)
"The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
(Albert Einstein)
“Past is dead Future is uncertain; Present is all you have, So eat, drink and live merry.” (Albert Einstein)
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Agentchewy]
#19042827 - 10/27/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deathcore
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042840 - 10/27/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the weird thing is..
despite time
how is "this" possible? where did it come from? when we die we don't leave the matrix.. Its just a weird concept..
If you seperate "I" what is left?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042850 - 10/27/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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23 other letters.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19042856 - 10/27/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes I wonder if existence happened purely out of necessity. Almost like, the "is" needed a way to be Conscious of itself. I don't know, this is the question that nobody can figure out, but damn, I wish I knew.
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An abyss of void in nothing in all directions to be seen by the naked eye and not experienced by any other sense besides ones vision beyond all thought and time for ever ever ever would be boring.
So why not have a realm of consciousness that is incredibly weird and different yet interesting/stimulating?
Chocolate and peanut butter. That's what it's all about.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore] 1
#19044370 - 10/28/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You get some maths up in that nothing....
You got your ratios and some numbers and shit...


You get a circle, start adding circles together, add more circles...circles are fun, circles are good, add them shits together.

Some geometries shit themselves into manifestation, simultaneously onto, and from, the lattice of all those circle...good thing there's all those circles.


After simmering, them geometries and circles should give some space... Now slap some bass and send some vibrations through that shit space.



and boom bam bang...after marination before time, you got your self a recipe for some thing that might involve life/reality.





All that shit leaves us with quite a predicament & quandary of sorts...along the lines of,

Which I also look at as...

and we'll continue to bite our own tails trying to figure things out, but this other life/reality that's emerging might provide some assistance

/far out, nonsensical rambling of loosely related images & ideas. -OM .
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Sleepwalker
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: openmind]
#19044380 - 10/28/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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About as good an explanation as I expect to find. Well done.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: openmind]
#19044383 - 10/28/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was terrific.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19044419 - 10/28/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepwalker said:
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searching said: It isn't..
Well we are having this conversation right now so I would beg to differ. 
How can I be 100% certain that you writing isnt simply a projection of my ego trying to keep me content?
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Sleepwalker
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You can't. That doesn't change the fact that you exist, does it? Here you are.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19044502 - 10/28/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How is it not possible 2 + 2 = 4?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19044535 - 10/28/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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because enlightened minds love thangs like that BRAW! 
the ancestors love it because it creates more enlightened minds and that is the real selection.
Edited by rikuni (10/28/13 06:58 AM)
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: rikuni]
#19044558 - 10/28/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this a reply to my post? If not, click quick reply on the opening poster next time.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19044579 - 10/28/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reality was made as impossible to grasp as possible. And yes, I said made. Deal with it atheists. Until you show me how something can come out of nothing, I will have to say that the only logical answer to the ineffability of what IS, is that GOD IS.
What is the nature of God? Different question, which only God himself can answer. Ask to get to know him (out loud, the world was MADE with language, if psychedelics haven't made that apparent, then you're hopeless.) and he will reveal himself to you.
Just ask this: I want to know the creator of the universe at a personal level, please show me.
The answer will come at the right time.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19044589 - 10/28/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just ask this: I want to know the creator of the universe at a personal level, please show me.
The answer will come at the right time.
How many people has been asking this throughout history of mankind, how closer are humans to some sort of universal truth?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19044610 - 10/28/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Just ask this: I want to know the creator of the universe at a personal level, please show me.
The answer will come at the right time.
How many people has been asking this throughout history of mankind, how closer are humans to some sort of universal truth?
Universal truth? Who said anything about something like that? I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL. Each person has his own reality, so how can there be a universal truth?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19044630 - 10/28/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19044732 - 10/28/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said: Until you show me how something can come out of nothing, I will have to say that the only logical answer to the ineffability of what IS, is that GOD IS.
Don't know, therefore God. Yep, sounds about par for the course.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19044745 - 10/28/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only reason you use the term "God" is because of your geography,
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19044758 - 10/28/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God offends us as an explanation of all this, yet eternal vibrations of OM or what have you don't...
Don't be afraid of the concept of God because reality is quite like a snake eating its own tail, so if one gets caught up on the validity of particular jargon used to describe this motion, they will miss observation of the perpetual turning-in-on-itself.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19044796 - 10/28/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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More assumptions, this time about what total strangers do or do not believe.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19044825 - 10/28/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The guy with the post full of pictures seemed to get your stamp of approval, whereas the guy toting God got the stamp of disapproval! I don't know what you personally believe, but it is clear to see which thought you warmed up to more.
They are both talking about the same thing.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19044840 - 10/28/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19044850 - 10/28/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you know, that 2 + 2 = 5 or 2 + 2 = 4?
The concept of god or God is just that, a concept. Law of gravity is not a concept, it's reality.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045346 - 10/28/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The law of gravity would have no context if it wasn't ordered into general concepts of "reality". On the ontological level, the concept of God and the law of gravity are both subject to the same scrutiny as regards their being.
To separate concepts from laws doesn't help in this case because it doesn't reveal anything about the being of either, and if "HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE?" is generally what we are after here (which is essentially the question of being, why is there something rather than nothing), the distinction is useless. The two should be united on the same plane and then interrogated in regards to their being.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19045374 - 10/28/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The law of gravity would have no context if it wasn't ordered into general concepts of "reality".
What happens if you jump off a 1000 meter high cliff into sharp rocks with no parachute? Is it reality you will die?
Or if your head get chopped off, will you die?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge] 1
#19045381 - 10/28/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It depends on your definition of "you"
If you consider "you" to be the center of the universe, then yes, "you" die. If you consider "you" to be an extension of the universe, a speck of dust on the fingernail of the finger, of the arm, of the body of the universe, then no "you" don't really die. It's like mountains that rise from the earth. Yes they are all individual mountains, but aren't they really all a part of the whole?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19045392 - 10/28/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If God exists wouldn't something have to create that God? And if God was created then he technically isn't a God according to the definition
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045403 - 10/28/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: The law of gravity would have no context if it wasn't ordered into general concepts of "reality".
What happens if you jump off a 1000 meter high cliff into sharp rocks with no parachute? Is it reality you will die?
Or if your head get chopped off, will you die?
I could answer "yes, it is reality that I would die". Then immediately, one may ask, what is the being of this reality that I should die, in exactly the same way the being of anything and everything may be interrogated in regards to its being.
So in other words any answer I could think up in response to you would still not establish anything about being. And certainly not the original question, which may be summed up as why is there anything at all rather than nothing?
I think you are trying to impose limits where the goal should be to expel all perceived or conceived limits in quest of the true ground of being.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19045407 - 10/28/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepwalker said: NOBODY KNOWS
that's the most honest answer you're gonna get
This^^
It's fun to come up with theories and stories and religions while the real answer is way over our heads. But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to figure it out.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19045409 - 10/28/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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windowlikcer said: The guy with the post full of pictures seemed to get your stamp of approval, whereas the guy toting God got the stamp of disapproval! I don't know what you personally believe, but it is clear to see which thought you warmed up to more.
They are both talking about the same thing.
The picture book was obviously tongue-in-cheek, as was my response. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't think anybody knows what we're doing here.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045411 - 10/28/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre] 1
#19045414 - 10/28/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said: I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God.
All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Brakepad]
#19045417 - 10/28/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: If God exists wouldn't something have to create that God? And if God was created then he technically isn't a God according to the definition
The only sensible argument here.
This is where you have to understand how time can be very non-linear. If you don't get that you haven't chowed enough shrooms.
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beforeIgetold said:
How can I be 100% certain that you writing isnt simply a projection of my ego trying to keep me content?
this
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19045425 - 10/28/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepwalker said:
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windowlikcer said: The guy with the post full of pictures seemed to get your stamp of approval, whereas the guy toting God got the stamp of disapproval! I don't know what you personally believe, but it is clear to see which thought you warmed up to more.
They are both talking about the same thing.
The picture book was obviously tongue-in-cheek, as was my response. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't think anybody knows what we're doing here.
Ok fair enough, I saw your comments more as an overall attitude I've seen on this forum in which there is a hostility to God, but an openness to Eastern-philosophy-meets-quantum-mechanics type theories without realizing the common basis between the God of monotheism and concepts such as OM. The origin is the same , based off the same human intuitions.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19045431 - 10/28/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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windowlikcer said:
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liquidlounge said: The law of gravity would have no context if it wasn't ordered into general concepts of "reality".
What happens if you jump off a 1000 meter high cliff into sharp rocks with no parachute? Is it reality you will die?
Or if your head get chopped off, will you die?
I could answer "yes, it is reality that I would die". Then immediately, one may ask, what is the being of this reality that I should die, in exactly the same way the being of anything and everything may be interrogated in regards to its being.
Don't you figure out what you don't know, using 1 + 1 = 2?
Or do you figure out things using "god"?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
#19045437 - 10/28/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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See, I've experienced those same "intuitions" about life and consciousness. That doesn't mean I automatically trust that I know what I'm talking about just because I had some vague feeling, or ate a bunch of mushrooms and tripped out. I prefer to be more honest about what actually constitutes knowledge.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19045463 - 10/28/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Sleepwalker said: See, I've experienced those same "intuitions" about life and consciousness. That doesn't mean I automatically trust that I know what I'm talking about just because I had some vague feeling, or ate a bunch of mushrooms and tripped out. I prefer to be more honest about what actually constitutes knowledge.
You still have only yourself to rely on for this knowledge, and this self must be fragmented to the extent that it is largely unknown to you; the same impulse which leads you to distrust your self when you experience these "intuitions" threatens any knowledge you might think you have about anything. So really your attempt to be honest about what actually constitutes knowledge is an attempt over and against your mistrust towards yourself. You haven't escaped the predicament of these intuitions, if anything you plunge yourself further into them by trying to reduce things to the knowledge that you have of them.
This just introduces the dyad of the knower and the known, and I'd be curious to see how you could honestly escape this dyad with any knowledge intact. In fact I think it would be impossible.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19045500 - 10/28/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Then why are there no universal truth seeing as almost everyone has been asking THIS question throughout history?
Everyone, please view The Center (in the link "THIS") writing the following:
Just ask this: I want to know the creator of the universe at a personal level, please show me.
The answer will come at the right time.
I care not for what you decide to believe,
How does that make sense if we have the same creator?
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
I never said what I wanted to call "it". However, it certainly looks like you struggle conversing substantially and maturely to people.
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
Damn, you write a lot of bullshit.
You're full of shit The Center.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
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windowlikcer said: You haven't escaped the predicament of these intuitions, if anything you plunge yourself further into them by trying to reduce things to the knowledge that you have of them.
It's not about reducing things. In fact my worldview is wide open exactly because I choose not to lock myself into a false sense of secure knowledge. It is possible to allow many opposing points of view to float around in your head without trying to get one in a stranglehold.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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So then you found yourself on a lack of knowledge rather than a surplus of it?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: windowlikcer]
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I have plenty of practical knowledge about the world and how to function in it, about myself and how to deal with others. I'm willing to accept this because otherwise I would be a vegetable.
When it comes to philosophical ponderings, I have many hunches about life ranging from scientific materialism to spiritual transformation. I don't feel like there is any reason to grasp OR deny one side or the other, although when it comes to debating these things, science tends to win out because debate is in itself basically a scientific endeavor.
When we are in our own heads, anything can seem to pass for evidence, but when we decide to lay our collective cards out on the table, the more objective world starts to take form. That's not to say it's the ULTIMATE TRUTH, but it's what we have to work with in order to navigate life.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: liquidlounge]
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. Oh, and didn't you quote me TWICE with QUESTIONS?
You seem to be misunderstanding my intentions in the very least, and most likely you are also misunderstanding my statements themselves.
Look, as heated as this debate is BOUND to become, I have no problem with other people having their own opinions, I'm just stating MY opinion too. Also, I have no problem with people arguing their opinions, but that isn't going to stop me from arguing my own.
So, here is mine, with pure honesty:
Something CANNOT come from nothing. 1 + 1 = 2. 1 x 2 = 2. 0 + 0 = 0. 0 x Infinity is STILL 0. So it doesn't matter if you add nothing to nothing, it is still nothing. If you multiply nothing by what ever, it is still nothing. Because 0 = 0. 0 + 1 = 1. YOU STILL NEED THE SOMETHING!!! One = something, 0 = nothing.
Argue that math away please.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: GreySatyr]
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: rikuni] 1
#19045690 - 10/28/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you say that now but once you die, you'll care.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
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Deathcore said: you say that now but once you die, you'll care.
been there, done that brou! I dont care shit cause I is cared for
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19045806 - 10/28/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No intention to humiliate you at all. Oh, and didn't you quote me TWICE with QUESTIONS?
Tell me when I misunderstood the first time then?
I quoted you twice because I wanted to address your arrogant tone in the first post, as written:
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
Please pay attention.
You seem to be misunderstanding my intentions in the very least, and most likely you are also misunderstanding my statements themselves.
I think I understand what you're on about but have heard it several times before from other people and they have no direct relevance to my position.
Look, as heated as this debate is BOUND to become, I have no problem with other people having their own opinions, I'm just stating MY opinion too. Also, I have no problem with people arguing their opinions, but that isn't going to stop me from arguing my own.
Is your opinion based on "THE CREATOR"?
So, here is mine, with pure honesty:
Something CANNOT come from nothing. 1 + 1 = 2. 1 x 2 = 2. 0 + 0 = 0. 0 x Infinity is STILL 0. So it doesn't matter if you add nothing to nothing, it is still nothing. If you multiply nothing by what ever, it is still nothing. Because 0 = 0. 0 + 1 = 1. YOU STILL NEED THE SOMETHING!!! One = something, 0 = nothing.
Argue that math away please.
This has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: rikuni]
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If God exists wouldn't something have to create that God? And if God was created then he technically isn't a God according to the definition
(or "something can't come from nothing")
God may be able to avoid the creation problem by "having always existed"; but so can the universe.
When people look at life on our planet like it is "too huge a coincidence" and asking "How is it possible?" I say: "It was inevitable. It isn't coincidence or lucky that our planet got life. The universe is huge; there is bound to be life somewhere here we are as one example (or if you put enough monkeys banging on typewriters; eventually one will bang out with the complete plays of Shakespeare: and it would not be any more miraculous than every other aspect of reality.
Then, of course we will evolve on this planet that supports life. No surprise to find ourselves here.
Also; not everything has to have a purpose. I feel once we stop trying to find purpose behind everything and we'll be much happier. Maybe we just happened to evolve on this planet because it happened to be able to support life.
I certainly don't discount the possibility of our divinity as co-creators of reality as well as a part of reality/god itself. If we have a purpose I feel it could well lie in our expression of an intelligent weaving of reality.
openmind; what did you mean by Quote:
(...)this other life/reality that's emerging might provide some assistance(....)
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Yogi1]
#19046214 - 10/28/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a better question is how is it not possible? Perhaps you exist because you simply have to. You might think "well, i didn't exist a hundered years ago", but time is relative and from your perspective, you've only experienced existence and you cannnot not experience it.
The world is full of illusions. Even the things we experience are simply models being made inside our brains. Who knows what's really "real" other than the expression of existance which is always occuring from your point of view
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: LysergicX7]
#19046218 - 10/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing Quote:
qman said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
Dude, that isn't atheism, that is agnosticism. Totally different. Atheists believe THERE IS NO GOD. A-theism = No-God-ism.
I can understand agnosticism's logic, I cannot understand atheism's logic.
At least agnostics admit they know nothing. Atheists defend their beliefs like a religion. (As shown throughout this thread.)
If I came with some eastern mumbo jumbo nobody would be shitting on my head.
Oh, and I've seen, and talked to God, so I KNOW he exists. Oh, and he talks to me, all the time. Think I'm insane? Great, that way I know that I am not, as none of you are sane, that is for sure.
This debate is going in circles. I'm outta here. Crap on my posts all you like, I know the truth, and I also know that I cannot convince someone of something they must experience themselves. I've been where you all have been till God came in and shook me to my senses. Oh, and I was very much sober when he did so, if that is supposed to make a difference.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing Quote:
qman said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
Dude, that isn't atheism, that is agnosticism. Totally different. Atheists believe THERE IS NO GOD. A-theism = No-God-ism.
I can understand agnosticism's logic, I cannot understand atheism's logic.
At least agnostics admit they know nothing. Atheists defend their beliefs like a religion. (As shown throughout this thread.)
If I came with some eastern mumbo jumbo nobody would be shitting on my head.
Oh, and I've seen, and talked to God, so I KNOW he exists. Oh, and he talks to me, all the time. Think I'm insane? Great, that way I know that I am not, as none of you are sane, that is for sure.
This debate is going in circles. I'm outta here. Crap on my posts all you like, I know the truth, and I also know that I cannot convince someone of something they must experience themselves. I've been where you all have been till God came in and shook me to my senses. Oh, and I was very much sober when he did so, if that is supposed to make a difference.
"Atheist believe THERE IS NO GOD"
Atheism has different beliefs, most atheists will say there is no evidence that a god exists, therefore they don't believe in a god. Some do not rule out the possibility of a god.
I am also aware of agnosticism, so I'm not confused about the two definitions.
"At least agnostics admit they know nothing"
So do most atheists.
"I've seen, and talked to God"
Glad to here it, if you find comfort in that belief, more power to you.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
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Has this been posted yet? I feel like it's very relevant.
As for myself, here is my current understanding: life is a consequence of chemistry, chemistry is a consquence of physics and physics is the current limit of our knowledge of the origin of the universe or how it came to be.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: JingleJoe] 1
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God is Yourself. You are at play with Yourself. There is no one looking out for you, you are the guy in the sky who's supposed to be doing that. It doesn't matter how bad things get, it didn't really happen or affect who/what you truly are. And everything is a kind of Hell until you remember yourself and implement your true state of mind, and so remember Yourself.
The whole idea of life is to lose oneself then find oneself, that's all it is, and the ultimate experience you can have is merely the joy of being God.
Go there, find out what it is like, and see if you have any doubts.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19046716 - 10/28/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hide and seek
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19046770 - 10/28/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing
What a shitty reply.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19047228 - 10/28/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said: I know the truth
You crap on atheists for taking a hard-line position and then do the exact same thing.
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circastes said: You are at play with Yourself.
Yeah, this whole thread is people playing with themselves.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047612 - 10/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19048009 - 10/28/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if it just can't be any other way. The very concept of 'possible' necessitates a reality or some kind of existence. If nothing existed, would the logical idea of possible or impossible exist? Probably not, because there wouldn't be a consciousness to bring about the ideas of possible and impossible. But then do these concepts exist outside of mind? Can the number 1 exist if there is no consciousness to interpret the idea of the number 1? Do concepts exist outside of mind, like Platonic forms? If there is no reality, can ideas like the number 1 still exist?
Logically, reality is possible by virtue of the fact that it exists - the whole basic "I think therefore I am" principle. It can't be any other way, because we're here thinking about it right now.
Does reality exist without a consciousness to interpret that reality? Or is all reality consciousness, because we after all a part of the same enormous field of energy when it all comes down to it.
Or perhaps reality doesn't exist at all... when you get to smaller and smaller sub atomic elements, it's all just empty space isn't it?
Now I'm confused, I'm starting to think reality isn't possible at all, it's just one great big nothing and we're all just nothing pretending to be something lol.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: hbwr] 1
#19048845 - 10/28/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're all the same person (God) before we're born and after we die. It's only in this world where we are apart and have our own lives. But still, we are all the same person. When we hurt others, we're only hurting ourselves. When we're kind to others, we're kind to ourselves. True, in the big picture none of this matters - we're totally insignificant. However, this life is all about the small picture. While we're here everything matters.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Universe]
#19049845 - 10/29/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it makes sense yet it doesnt...
so me only is me?
that means I typed that ^?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19049873 - 10/29/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did write that. Well, it wasn't my 'I' or your 'I', but someone else's 'I'. But there is an 'I' behind that post.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Phleg]
#19049882 - 10/29/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i still don't follow...
look you are reading what I am typing..
I had to think in order to type these words for you to read.
The way you process is individual, and I can't even see or read your thoughts in order to know how it effect(s)(ed) you..
But its like you are saying we are puppets and "God" is the one holding the strings. Or we are the sims.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19050046 - 10/29/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you strip away all your individual traits you're left with pure awareness, which we all share.
I think that's what is being said.
But you're right, there is still the fact that your piece of awareness is stuck over there, and for some reason my piece is stuck over here. Why?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19050402 - 10/29/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Yogi1]
#19050773 - 10/29/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like to think of what we perceive that has been created around us, or what our consciousness perceives, has occurred from the big bang.
A very good ideology for envisioning how things work with seeing something in nothing, imagine that the entire universe as it is now is a perfect cube, measuring an inch with each side. I'll describe that with the variable of E.
Now in front of me is my desk, as I'm sure there is with all of you, envision a cube that is exactly an inch with each side, a completely empty space, and lets think of that as the variable of G.
Try imagining something that is not us, something that can only witness and perceive the concept of G, and what G is, that one confined space only.
Now if you were to tamper with it in any way, say move a cup through this space of G, it would be absolutely perplexing to the witness of G, the striking awe of something seemingly coming from nowhere.
Now E contains G, but G is unaware of it. But what may contain E?
I believe we're simply witnessing E as it passes through all of its changes in its current dimension, while being affected by the one above it and creating new effects on the one below it.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19050896 - 10/29/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19050905 - 10/29/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19050907 - 10/29/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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basically this all around is the only thing thats real then? It basically makes me feel like I wasn't born by accident, I was meant to see all of this... Free will is an illusion.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19051018 - 10/29/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deathcore said: basically this all around is the only thing thats real then?
Nobody knows. 
Seriously, I can keep it up.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19051233 - 10/29/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as we are concerned, everything is exactly as it appears. It's not as if once you discover the answer you get magic powers or a higher level of existence or something like that. You just have to play the game the best you can, while you're here.
As far as the big answer to what is reality and why do we exist, I wouldn't be surprised if a science fiction author has nailed it. And the story never caught on because people thought it was stupid.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Universe] 1
#19051255 - 10/29/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our perception of the world is inherently biased because we are humans. Let me give an example.
Seals can hear things out of the normal hearing range of humans (20-20k db). That means that they have everyday experiences that differ from the experiences that we have, which would in turn lead them to believe different things about our planet and the universe.
We only think the world is so strange because we view it from a small yet important window. Let's not forget that we are one species in an entire universe.
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How is it possible? It's possible because it's possible, haha. Obviously no one understands or knows how it happened, but we understand the type of events that would have to happen to make this all possible, if that makes sense.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19053170 - 10/29/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deathcore said: Free will is an illusion.
That's one of my favorite topics to discuss. I think free will is a concept we as humans have out of necessity. It's a means for us to take responsibility for our actions. I favor the idea of responsibility.
When I look at the big picture though, it is pretty difficult to defend free will being a real thing. Honestly, it's pretty true that close too 100% of our decisions are made due to past experience, or preconceived notions. In a way, we "feel" like we had a choice. Only way to tell would be to replay that exact scenario, at that exact time in life, with the exact same situation and see if you end up choosing differently, we don't have a time machine, so we will never know.
A lot of our decisions are really based on society around us. What is acceptable and what isn't. If we were the only person on Earth, who's rules would we have to follow? Who's opinions could change ours? So in some sense, I do believe we all have a "Destiny". Not so much in terms of "God", but a destiny in the sense that we are all "prisoners of our own mind". In other words, we have a destiny "built for ourselves". Not so much that it's been laid out for us, but more in the sense that maybe our lives "couldn't have been different". The way our brain functions and what it has experienced is what determines our "choices". We can't go ahead and change what choices we will make, nor can we change our past. We only "feel" like we can decide in the present, but I don't think we do. If we make a decision in life, something influenced it, if that event didn't happen, our decision might be different. Unless you went back to that exact moment with the exact same sequence of events, time and date, emotions, outfit, the exact same EVERYTHING, then we can never "know" we have free will.
Okay, this is not me saying "we should abolish Free Will". No, I believe Free Will is so important, and I feel it is a concept we should follow because then there would be no consequences for anything. However, there is another point to this.
It could be that we really aren't responsible for our actions, but, we can still defend "responsibility" to an extent. Perhaps forcing consequences for bad actions serves as an "experience" to let other people know what will happen if you do this or that. Now you would have a "past experience" to maybe change a bad decision that would have been had you not learned of consequence.
I don't know, again it's just "ideas" that are interesting to think about, I'm not saying I believe this or that I don't, but it is a possibility whether I like it or not. We may disagree on something because we see it as a bad way to live, but that doesn't mean it isn't "true".
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If you think your waking life is strange and unanswerable, try having an out of body experience.
Something to keep you occupied in the interim is that your mind is a co-creator, so just be really really happy and the world around you will appear differently. It's quite fun.
Other than that you're just another supercharged monkey like the rest of us.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19053397 - 10/29/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19054257 - 10/29/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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peace of mind I totally agree with everything you wrote not only because it sounds brilliant but also because I thought of just about every one of those things before.
No time machine...Society and influences. etc.
I don't agree we are super charged monkeys.. I think we are much more than that.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19054337 - 10/29/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: If you think your waking life is strange and unanswerable, try having an out of body experience.
Something to keep you occupied in the interim is that your mind is a co-creator, so just be really really happy and the world around you will appear differently. It's quite fun.
Other than that you're just another supercharged monkey like the rest of us.
I agree on this. It's all in how you choose to perceive something. It's simply a mind set. Something is only as useful or mundane as we allow it be. I mean, the fact we as humans have emotions is really incredible. When we think about what an Emotion is in terms of being able to "understand" in words how you feel. Emotions can be painful but at the same time the beauty in emotions is often times it takes the negative extremes in order to leap to a higher plane of positive extremes.
Hope my post on Free Will didn't seem pessimistic. It isn't a negative thing at all, just a "possibility" to talk about.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19054758 - 10/29/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said: Reality was made as impossible to grasp as possible. And yes, I said made. Deal with it atheists. Until you show me how something can come out of nothing, I will have to say that the only logical answer to the ineffability of what IS, is that GOD IS.
It isn't that something came from nothing, but rather that both something and nothingness depend on one another to be. They both give rise to one another. My take at least.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: TheMule73]
#19054846 - 10/29/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The real question: can Nothing exist..?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Lucid Toast]
#19055344 - 10/30/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trying to answer the existential question is like trying figure out how a ball of wires got tangled.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: cannabinated]
#19056094 - 10/30/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me personally if I sink into a certain state of mind it's basically just a nihilistic universe, but if I switch into something more reasonable, the whole circumstance changes. That is to say, depending on my internal expectation or description of what is occurring in reality, it actually changes to suit that expectation or description.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19056452 - 10/30/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perception doesn't feed the starving so we aren't co creators. I know, it sucks.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Yogi1]
#19056478 - 10/30/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yogi1 said: Perception doesn't feed the starving so we aren't co creators. I know, it sucks.
but there is a chance of becoming But its a freaking long way bro !
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KingKnowledge said: Our perception of the world is inherently biased because we are humans. Let me give an example.
Seals can hear things out of the normal hearing range of humans (20-20k db). That means that they have everyday experiences that differ from the experiences that we have, which would in turn lead them to believe different things about our planet and the universe.
We only think the world is so strange because we view it from a small yet important window. Let's not forget that we are one species in an entire universe.
This, I agree with. We as humans naturally have this massive superiority complex thinking that what we perceive is naturally reality. While this is kinda true as regarding directly to humans if you look at it as a whole its just relative. Things we see in everyday life like the color of the sky is just how we see it, some things don't have the complex eyes like we do, so color only exists for certain things, making you question can anything be proven? Reality is relative, we create everything, and define it to cope with the complexity of the world we live in. Perception and reality are easily changed, with mindsets and chemicals so people who say that something is so real or there are missing a bigger picture. If you take life as one moment, one things and a constant event that is about as close as you can get to a reality. Understating that its going to constantly shift, and that yours differs from everyone else is one of the first major steps to get a better grasp on the world we live in.
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