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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleSleepwalker
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19050046 - 10/29/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you strip away all your individual traits you're left with pure awareness, which we all share.


I think that's what is being said.


But you're right, there is still the fact that your piece of awareness is stuck over there, and for some reason my piece is stuck over here.  Why?


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19050402 - 10/29/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:pope:


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Yogi1]
    #19050773 - 10/29/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like to think of what we perceive that has been created around us, or what our consciousness perceives, has occurred from the big bang.

A very good ideology for envisioning how things work with seeing something in nothing, imagine that the entire universe as it is now is a perfect cube, measuring an inch with each side. I'll describe that with the variable of E.

Now in front of me is my desk, as I'm sure there is with all of you, envision a cube that is exactly an inch with each side, a completely empty space, and lets think of that as the variable of G.

Try imagining something that is not us, something that can only witness and perceive the concept of G, and what G is, that one confined space only.

Now if you were to tamper with it in any way, say move a cup through this space of G, it would be absolutely perplexing to the witness of G, the striking awe of something seemingly coming from nowhere.

Now E contains G, but G is unaware of it. But what may contain E?

I believe we're simply witnessing E as it passes through all of its changes in its current dimension, while being affected by the one above it and creating new effects on the one below it.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19050896 - 10/29/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

White dwarf star


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19050905 - 10/29/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chicken sandwich.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19050907 - 10/29/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

basically this all around is the only thing thats real then? It basically makes me feel like I wasn't born by accident, I was meant to see all of this... Free will is an illusion.


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InvisibleSleepwalker
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19051018 - 10/29/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Deathcore said:
basically this all around is the only thing thats real then?




Nobody knows.  :evil:

Seriously, I can keep it up.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19051233 - 10/29/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As far as we are concerned, everything is exactly as it appears. It's not as if once you discover the answer you get magic powers or a higher level of existence or something like that. You just have to play the game the best you can, while you're here.

As far as the big answer to what is reality and why do we exist, I wouldn't be surprised if a science fiction author has nailed it. And the story never caught on because people thought it was stupid.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Universe] * 1
    #19051255 - 10/29/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Our perception of the world is inherently biased because we are humans. Let me give an example.


Seals can hear things out of the normal hearing range of humans (20-20k db). That means that they have everyday experiences that differ from the experiences that we have, which would in turn lead them to believe different things about our planet and the universe.

We only think the world is so strange because we view it from a small yet important window. Let's not forget that we are one species in an entire universe.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19051286 - 10/29/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How is it possible? It's possible because it's possible, haha. Obviously  no one understands or knows how it happened, but we understand the type of events that would have to happen to make this all possible, if that makes sense.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19053170 - 10/29/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Deathcore said:
Free will is an illusion.




That's one of my favorite topics to discuss. I think free will is a concept we as humans have out of necessity. It's a means for us to take responsibility for our actions. I favor the idea of responsibility.

When I look at the big picture though, it is pretty difficult to defend free will being a real thing. Honestly, it's pretty true that close too 100% of our decisions are made due to past experience, or preconceived notions. In a way, we "feel" like we had a choice. Only way to tell would be to replay that exact scenario, at that exact time in life, with the exact same situation and see if you end up choosing differently, we don't have a time machine, so we will never know.

A lot of our decisions are really based on society around us. What is acceptable and what isn't. If we were the only person on Earth, who's rules would we have to follow? Who's opinions could change ours? So in some sense, I do believe we all have a "Destiny". Not so much in terms of "God", but a destiny in the sense that we are all "prisoners of our own mind". In other words, we have a destiny "built for ourselves". Not so much that it's been laid out for us, but more in the sense that maybe our lives "couldn't have been different". The way our brain functions and what it has experienced is what determines our "choices". We can't go ahead and change what choices we will make, nor can we change our past. We only "feel" like we can decide in the present, but I don't think we do. If we make a decision in life, something influenced it, if that event didn't happen, our decision might be different. Unless you went back to that exact moment with the exact same sequence of events, time and date, emotions, outfit, the exact same EVERYTHING, then we can never "know" we have free will.

Okay, this is not me saying "we should abolish Free Will". No, I believe Free Will is so important, and I feel it is a concept we should follow because then there would be no consequences for anything. However, there is another point to this.

It could be that we really aren't responsible for our actions, but, we can still defend "responsibility" to an extent. Perhaps forcing consequences for bad actions serves as an "experience" to let other people know what will happen if you do this or that. Now you would have a "past experience" to maybe change a bad decision that would have been had you not learned of consequence.

I don't know, again it's just "ideas" that are interesting to think about, I'm not saying I believe this or that I don't, but it is a possibility whether I like it or not. We may disagree on something because we see it as a bad way to live, but that doesn't mean it isn't "true".


Edited by Peace of Mind 1 (10/29/13 05:44 PM)


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #19053364 - 10/29/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you think your waking life is strange and unanswerable, try having an out of body experience.

Something to keep you occupied in the interim is that your mind is a co-creator, so just be really really happy and the world around you will appear differently. It's quite fun.

Other than that you're just another supercharged monkey like the rest of us.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

TESTED
WITH
FULL
FORCE


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
    #19053397 - 10/29/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

John C. Lily

 


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19054257 - 10/29/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

peace of mind I totally agree with everything you wrote not only because it sounds brilliant but also because I thought of just about every one of those things before.

No time machine...Society and influences. etc.

I don't agree we are super charged monkeys.. I think we are much more than that.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
    #19054337 - 10/29/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

circastes said:
If you think your waking life is strange and unanswerable, try having an out of body experience.

Something to keep you occupied in the interim is that your mind is a co-creator, so just be really really happy and the world around you will appear differently. It's quite fun.

Other than that you're just another supercharged monkey like the rest of us.



I agree on this. It's all in how you choose to perceive something. It's simply a mind set. Something is only as useful or mundane as we allow it be. I mean, the fact we as humans have emotions is really incredible. When we think about what an Emotion is in terms of being able to "understand" in words how you feel. Emotions can be painful but at the same time the beauty in emotions is often times it takes the negative extremes in order to leap to a higher plane of positive extremes.

Hope my post on Free Will didn't seem pessimistic. It isn't a negative thing at all, just a "possibility" to talk about.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
    #19054758 - 10/29/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The Centre said:
Reality was made as impossible to grasp as possible. And yes, I said made. Deal with it atheists. Until you show me how something can come out of nothing, I will have to say that the only logical answer to the ineffability of what IS, is that GOD IS.





It isn't that something came from nothing, but rather that both something and nothingness depend on one another to be. They both give rise to one another.  My take at least.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: TheMule73]
    #19054846 - 10/29/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The real question: can Nothing exist..?


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You have to let it go neo, fear, doubt. Disbelief



"The menu is not the meal."
Alan watts

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.”
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19055344 - 10/30/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Trying to answer the existential question is like trying figure out how a ball of wires got tangled.


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: cannabinated]
    #19056094 - 10/30/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For me personally if I sink into a certain state of mind it's basically just a nihilistic universe, but if I switch into something more reasonable, the whole circumstance changes. That is to say, depending on my internal expectation or description of what is occurring in reality, it actually changes to suit that expectation or description.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

TESTED
WITH
FULL
FORCE


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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
    #19056452 - 10/30/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Perception doesn't feed the starving so we aren't co creators. I know, it sucks.


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