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liquidlounge

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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19045806 - 10/28/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No intention to humiliate you at all. Oh, and didn't you quote me TWICE with QUESTIONS?
Tell me when I misunderstood the first time then?
I quoted you twice because I wanted to address your arrogant tone in the first post, as written:
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
Please pay attention.
You seem to be misunderstanding my intentions in the very least, and most likely you are also misunderstanding my statements themselves.
I think I understand what you're on about but have heard it several times before from other people and they have no direct relevance to my position.
Look, as heated as this debate is BOUND to become, I have no problem with other people having their own opinions, I'm just stating MY opinion too. Also, I have no problem with people arguing their opinions, but that isn't going to stop me from arguing my own.
Is your opinion based on "THE CREATOR"?
So, here is mine, with pure honesty:
Something CANNOT come from nothing. 1 + 1 = 2. 1 x 2 = 2. 0 + 0 = 0. 0 x Infinity is STILL 0. So it doesn't matter if you add nothing to nothing, it is still nothing. If you multiply nothing by what ever, it is still nothing. Because 0 = 0. 0 + 1 = 1. YOU STILL NEED THE SOMETHING!!! One = something, 0 = nothing.
Argue that math away please.
This has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: rikuni]
#19045834 - 10/28/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If God exists wouldn't something have to create that God? And if God was created then he technically isn't a God according to the definition
(or "something can't come from nothing")
God may be able to avoid the creation problem by "having always existed"; but so can the universe.
When people look at life on our planet like it is "too huge a coincidence" and asking "How is it possible?" I say: "It was inevitable. It isn't coincidence or lucky that our planet got life. The universe is huge; there is bound to be life somewhere here we are as one example (or if you put enough monkeys banging on typewriters; eventually one will bang out with the complete plays of Shakespeare: and it would not be any more miraculous than every other aspect of reality.
Then, of course we will evolve on this planet that supports life. No surprise to find ourselves here.
Also; not everything has to have a purpose. I feel once we stop trying to find purpose behind everything and we'll be much happier. Maybe we just happened to evolve on this planet because it happened to be able to support life.
I certainly don't discount the possibility of our divinity as co-creators of reality as well as a part of reality/god itself. If we have a purpose I feel it could well lie in our expression of an intelligent weaving of reality.
openmind; what did you mean by Quote:
(...)this other life/reality that's emerging might provide some assistance(....)
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19046019 - 10/28/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
Edited by qman (10/28/13 01:07 PM)
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
#19046032 - 10/28/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Yogi1]
#19046214 - 10/28/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a better question is how is it not possible? Perhaps you exist because you simply have to. You might think "well, i didn't exist a hundered years ago", but time is relative and from your perspective, you've only experienced existence and you cannnot not experience it.
The world is full of illusions. Even the things we experience are simply models being made inside our brains. Who knows what's really "real" other than the expression of existance which is always occuring from your point of view
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: LysergicX7]
#19046218 - 10/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good thing god made the mind, hail sky man!
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
#19046300 - 10/28/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing Quote:
qman said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
Dude, that isn't atheism, that is agnosticism. Totally different. Atheists believe THERE IS NO GOD. A-theism = No-God-ism.
I can understand agnosticism's logic, I cannot understand atheism's logic.
At least agnostics admit they know nothing. Atheists defend their beliefs like a religion. (As shown throughout this thread.)
If I came with some eastern mumbo jumbo nobody would be shitting on my head.
Oh, and I've seen, and talked to God, so I KNOW he exists. Oh, and he talks to me, all the time. Think I'm insane? Great, that way I know that I am not, as none of you are sane, that is for sure.
This debate is going in circles. I'm outta here. Crap on my posts all you like, I know the truth, and I also know that I cannot convince someone of something they must experience themselves. I've been where you all have been till God came in and shook me to my senses. Oh, and I was very much sober when he did so, if that is supposed to make a difference.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19046353 - 10/28/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing Quote:
qman said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
There is only one creator. Any more wouldn't make logical sense. (Note how all polytheistic religions have a single original creator, who started the first bit of creating.)
Big bang? Requires a little something that they dubbed a 'singularity.' Can't come from nothing. Even the most atheistic of explanations require SOMETHING. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Action is required for action to take place. There was at no point 'nothing.' There is always 'something.'
I care not for what you decide to believe, as long as you have some basis for it. How can anything come from nothing? Even the most nihilistic person must confess that there is something here right now, and even if it is an 'illusion' the illusion needs some form of origin.
So you want to call it a singularity or what ever so that you can comfortably say God doesn't exist... Well guess what, if you believe the universe came to be from a singularity, then all you are doing is giving the original creator the name 'singularity.'
When someone comes with some form of logical origin theory where things came from nothing, I will consider that there may possibly not be a God, but until someone can actually say with a straight face that all that there is today came from absolute nothingness, and have some kind of proof of that, then I will have to continue to KNOW that there IS a God. All atheists don't believe in God because they see the world and see pain and suffering and think how can an all loving all knowing all powerful God allow such a thing, and thus conclude that God doesn't exist. This is a big ass leap of faith and illogic. Before any atheists can conclude there is no God, they first have to DEFINE WHAT GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. You cannot put the creator of all in a box. You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence...
"You can logically debate on God's character, but not on his existence.."
You're really not understanding the debate, you make your own rules going into the debate, and then have made yourself the official winner because of the rules.
Atheists do NOT conclude there is no god, they conclude there is no evidence of a god, but they don't rule out the possibility that a god could exist.
"How can anything come from nothing?"
Just because humans don't know the answer, it doesn't mean it's not impossible, that is a foolish conclusion.
Dude, that isn't atheism, that is agnosticism. Totally different. Atheists believe THERE IS NO GOD. A-theism = No-God-ism.
I can understand agnosticism's logic, I cannot understand atheism's logic.
At least agnostics admit they know nothing. Atheists defend their beliefs like a religion. (As shown throughout this thread.)
If I came with some eastern mumbo jumbo nobody would be shitting on my head.
Oh, and I've seen, and talked to God, so I KNOW he exists. Oh, and he talks to me, all the time. Think I'm insane? Great, that way I know that I am not, as none of you are sane, that is for sure.
This debate is going in circles. I'm outta here. Crap on my posts all you like, I know the truth, and I also know that I cannot convince someone of something they must experience themselves. I've been where you all have been till God came in and shook me to my senses. Oh, and I was very much sober when he did so, if that is supposed to make a difference.
"Atheist believe THERE IS NO GOD"
Atheism has different beliefs, most atheists will say there is no evidence that a god exists, therefore they don't believe in a god. Some do not rule out the possibility of a god.
I am also aware of agnosticism, so I'm not confused about the two definitions.
"At least agnostics admit they know nothing"
So do most atheists.
"I've seen, and talked to God"
Glad to here it, if you find comfort in that belief, more power to you.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: qman]
#19046426 - 10/28/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Has this been posted yet? I feel like it's very relevant.
As for myself, here is my current understanding: life is a consequence of chemistry, chemistry is a consquence of physics and physics is the current limit of our knowledge of the origin of the universe or how it came to be.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: JingleJoe] 1
#19046681 - 10/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God is Yourself. You are at play with Yourself. There is no one looking out for you, you are the guy in the sky who's supposed to be doing that. It doesn't matter how bad things get, it didn't really happen or affect who/what you truly are. And everything is a kind of Hell until you remember yourself and implement your true state of mind, and so remember Yourself.
The whole idea of life is to lose oneself then find oneself, that's all it is, and the ultimate experience you can have is merely the joy of being God.
Go there, find out what it is like, and see if you have any doubts.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19046716 - 10/28/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hide and seek
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19046770 - 10/28/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Centre]
#19046984 - 10/28/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said:
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The Centre said:
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liquidlounge said: Universal truth?
Certainly the creator must logically speaking be the universal truth?
I was talking about a personal relationship with God, with the emphasis on PERSONAL.
So your creator is not my creator?
Again, you misunderstand. Don't worry, that is human.
When was the other time I misunderstood? Show us.
Posting this as a single post due to The Centre's desire to humiliate me.
No intention to humiliate you at all. I was referencing
What a shitty reply.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: circastes]
#19047228 - 10/28/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Centre said: I know the truth
You crap on atheists for taking a hard-line position and then do the exact same thing.
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circastes said: You are at play with Yourself.
Yeah, this whole thread is people playing with themselves.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047612 - 10/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I played with myself twice since discovering this thread
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19048009 - 10/28/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if it just can't be any other way. The very concept of 'possible' necessitates a reality or some kind of existence. If nothing existed, would the logical idea of possible or impossible exist? Probably not, because there wouldn't be a consciousness to bring about the ideas of possible and impossible. But then do these concepts exist outside of mind? Can the number 1 exist if there is no consciousness to interpret the idea of the number 1? Do concepts exist outside of mind, like Platonic forms? If there is no reality, can ideas like the number 1 still exist?
Logically, reality is possible by virtue of the fact that it exists - the whole basic "I think therefore I am" principle. It can't be any other way, because we're here thinking about it right now.
Does reality exist without a consciousness to interpret that reality? Or is all reality consciousness, because we after all a part of the same enormous field of energy when it all comes down to it.
Or perhaps reality doesn't exist at all... when you get to smaller and smaller sub atomic elements, it's all just empty space isn't it?
Now I'm confused, I'm starting to think reality isn't possible at all, it's just one great big nothing and we're all just nothing pretending to be something lol.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: hbwr] 1
#19048845 - 10/28/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're all the same person (God) before we're born and after we die. It's only in this world where we are apart and have our own lives. But still, we are all the same person. When we hurt others, we're only hurting ourselves. When we're kind to others, we're kind to ourselves. True, in the big picture none of this matters - we're totally insignificant. However, this life is all about the small picture. While we're here everything matters.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Universe]
#19049845 - 10/29/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it makes sense yet it doesnt...
so me only is me?
that means I typed that ^?
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: Deathcore]
#19049873 - 10/29/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did write that. Well, it wasn't my 'I' or your 'I', but someone else's 'I'. But there is an 'I' behind that post.
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Re: HOW IS LIFE/REALITY POSSIBLE? [Re: The Phleg]
#19049882 - 10/29/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i still don't follow...
look you are reading what I am typing..
I had to think in order to type these words for you to read.
The way you process is individual, and I can't even see or read your thoughts in order to know how it effect(s)(ed) you..
But its like you are saying we are puppets and "God" is the one holding the strings. Or we are the sims.
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