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OfflineDestroyCurrency
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Destroy Currency?
    #19041917 - 10/27/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Considering that we live in a world where most of us work for no reason other than to perpetuate the capitalist price mechanism, I ask, should we switch from our current system? 

Instead, should the means of production be put in the public domain?  Everything we need would be provided by the community, instead of having to buy it from private companies.  So instead of paying taxes, we would work probably something in the area of 500 hours a year, to support the needs of the community. 

That would solve our problem of overconsumption and wasteful consumption.  It would mean nobody has to worry about finding a job anymore.  And finally, it would liberate us from the unsustainable need for exponential economic growth.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19041925 - 10/27/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck yes. But you would also lose progress. Ie. new technologies' incentive is consumers waiting to buy the latest shit


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: topdog82]
    #19041955 - 10/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So if I was ever successful in creating a moneyless US state, such as Vermont, you would consider living there?

You would lose alot of consumer technology.  But I think we would gain other, possibly more valuable technology because more resources could be directed toward it.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042006 - 10/27/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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DestroyCurrency said:
So if I was ever successful in creating a moneyless US state, such as Vermont, you would consider living there?

You would lose alot of consumer technology.  But I think we would gain other, possibly more valuable technology because more resources could be directed toward it.



true. I would join you

Iam just saying there are pros and cons to removing money. I can see why there would be a lot minuses to money. But there are pluses too

I dont have enough knowledge or expericnece to decude if removing money would be good on aworldwide scale

ie communism seems pretty cool in theory. But practically it didnt do much


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: topdog82]
    #19042240 - 10/27/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably one of the big positives of using currency is that it gives you freedom of choice that you wouldn't have in a control-moneyless state.  Like you wouldn't be free to open your own business.  But you would have more freedom in terms of work because you wouldn't be limited to one type of work.  You could do a different job every week.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042300 - 10/27/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It seems like you've never heard of communism.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042372 - 10/27/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You want to live in a medieval paradise?


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: AWS]
    #19042384 - 10/27/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fire the greedy bankers,



as unlikely a task it would be...

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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19042438 - 10/27/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fire the greedy bankers,





They are certainly greedy and power hungry people in communes. Both Ice and I have witnessed it. The outward structure reflects what is already within us.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19042462 - 10/27/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The outward structure reflects what is already within us.




This is a sad thing.

I'm going to go weep now. :sad:


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19042581 - 10/27/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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blankk said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
The outward structure reflects what is already within us.




This is a sad thing.

I'm going to go weep now. :sad:



WERD (to both)


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: topdog82]
    #19042618 - 10/27/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it does seem removing money wouldn't change anything but someday maybe we will change and wont require money anymore...someday..... someday...cheers to that whuile we wait.....
...............still waitin............


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042624 - 10/27/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course I have, but this wouldn't quite work the same as the Leninist state.  That's why I think it will work.  Lenin required everybody to work a set number of hours, regardless if they needed to do that much work.  But the big difference is that Lenin kept the concept of currency and the price mechanism.  I believe that if Lenin did away with currency (and if he was less authoritarian) that he would've succeded.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042669 - 10/27/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course, we all know the problem with communism was only that we didn't quite get the formula right. If the last attempt killed 70,000,000 people then there enough people left still to give it 100 more tries.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042674 - 10/27/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But the big difference is that Lenin kept the concept of currency and the price mechanism.




How would this function without it?  People would still need to trade.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042715 - 10/27/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But the big difference is that Lenin kept the concept of currency and the price mechanism.




How would this function without it?  People would still need to trade.



we could just have people give rations. Like food, clothes, and a small amount of cash for alc, weed, phones, extranoues things


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: topdog82]
    #19042719 - 10/27/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is still just communism but with bartering instead of currency.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042727 - 10/27/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is still just communism but with bartering instead of currency.



I think we should have currency personally. Just give it a much more downplayed importance


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042739 - 10/27/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Based on my calculations, in a small state like Vermont, it would be economically possible to freely give everybody most of what you need (food, clothes, healthcare, education, cars, roads, phones, weed, etc) if everybody works 500 hours a year.  Thats less than 1/4 of what most people work in a year right now (2000+ hours)


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042749 - 10/27/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Where did I mention bartering?  Well I guess you could consider it barter, your bartering your time to the state in exchange for goods and services you need.  But its not like your going to the doctor and trading chickens for healthcare.


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