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At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated?
    #19042116 - 10/27/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yesterday I had this sexy little girl grab me and try to pull me into the bathroom at a party, but she was so fucked up I was basically holding her up. Obviously I didn't do anything, but at what point is it ok? Is it ok to have sex with them if you're just as fucked up? I guess this is a morality question. What made it less sexy was she was saying all kinds of self deprecating shit, that's not good, she just wanted me to make her feel better about herself and not because she was actually interested, I could have been anyone. . .


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: buest] * 2
    #19042134 - 10/27/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's a very wide and treacherous grey area that basically boils down to whether or not she feels bad about it afterward.  Better safe than sorry.  :shrug:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky] * 1
    #19042143 - 10/27/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can't legally have sex with an intoxicated person or something lol


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19042159 - 10/27/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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RiparianZoneJunky said:
It's a very wide and treacherous grey area that basically boils down to whether or not she feels bad about it afterward.  Better safe than sorry.  :shrug:




If she feels bad before it there's a pretty good damn chance that she's gonna feel bad about it after!


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Uzziel]
    #19042168 - 10/27/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if you can if you have them sign some sort of affidavit or something while sober, saying that you consent to having sex later on whilst intoxicated.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: buest]
    #19042174 - 10/27/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've pondered this over the years too.  It's gonna vary person to person. Personally, I need to believe that this girl can actually make informed decisions about what's going on for me to smash.
If she can walk, hold a decently intelligent conversation, and wants the D, I'll give it to her.  But if she's all sloppy, I'm just not into it, and probably wouldn't finish anyways :lol:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #19042182 - 10/27/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've pondered this over the years too.  It's gonna vary person to person. Personally, I need to believe that this girl can actually make informed decisions about what's going on for me to smash.
If she can walk, hold a decently intelligent conversation, and wants the D, I'll give it to her.  But if she's all sloppy, I'm just not into it, and probably wouldn't finish anyways :lol:




exactly, i was holding her up, and she had no idea what she was doing. I'm sure someone else banged her the second i left.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: buest]
    #19042209 - 10/27/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if she's still breathing my moral boundaries haven't been crossed :thumbup:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19042215 - 10/27/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I never fuck chicks that are intoxicated, the only time that happens is if I'm completely blacked out already and don't even remember it.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19042224 - 10/27/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

crazy bitches will call rape sometimes.  look what happened to duke lacrosse


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: buest]
    #19042244 - 10/27/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You did the right thing, and it's not your karma :shrug:

Wish more people cared about each other though.

On another note, how ya been man? We met at thoughts beach gathering a few months ago.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #19042356 - 10/27/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You did the right thing, and it's not your karma :shrug:

Wish more people cared about each other though.

On another note, how ya been man? We met at thoughts beach gathering a few months ago.




yeah man, i remembered your screenname, i've been fucking awesome, just went to a crazy party last night heres a video if you're interested



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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Uzziel] * 1
    #19042360 - 10/27/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't legally have sex with an intoxicated person or something lol




By this rationale she's raping you if you're intoxicated as well though.  Mutual rape?  :lol:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19043256 - 10/27/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How intoxicated?

I'll give the girl bonus points if she vomits while I've packed my meat inside her. The muscle contraction co-occurring with vomiting feels so awesome, it literally squeezes the juice out of your junk.

But to answer your question its more of a matter how drunk I am and not her. Suppose I'm really drunk and she says "lets go" but then change her mind when she's half naked.

I'll rape her...


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: mellowparty]
    #19043312 - 10/27/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But to answer your question its more of a matter how drunk I am and not her. Suppose I'm really drunk and she says "lets go" but then change her mind when she's half naked.

I'll rape her...





hope that was weird internet humor :/


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: memes]
    #19043326 - 10/27/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If she's into it and your both naked and she passes out as your getting between her legs, GO FOR IT.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: memes]
    #19043331 - 10/27/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its called natural selection. If the bitch is that fucking dumb to change her mind halfway through well fuck her, literally.

Girls like that really get on my nerves and I treat them like the total trash they are afterwards.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19043334 - 10/27/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

as long as shes a part of it and consenting its fine.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: mellowparty]
    #19043336 - 10/27/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:shocked:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: TheMovement]
    #19043351 - 10/27/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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as long as shes a part of it and consenting its fine.



They all consent after I get it in. They may struggle beforehand but once its inside there's not much else to do than enjoy it.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: buest]
    #19043382 - 10/27/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've pondered this over the years too.  It's gonna vary person to person. Personally, I need to believe that this girl can actually make informed decisions about what's going on for me to smash.
If she can walk, hold a decently intelligent conversation, and wants the D, I'll give it to her.  But if she's all sloppy, I'm just not into it, and probably wouldn't finish anyways :lol:




exactly, i was holding her up, and she had no idea what she was doing. I'm sure someone else banged her the second i left.




if she was cute you should have taken her home, tucked her into bed, then maybe get at it in the morning.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Legend]
    #19043392 - 10/27/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that's a good idea, if she's already in your bed she'll def put out. Because of the implication :wink:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19043407 - 10/27/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

even if she doesn't, it's better than someone devious taking advantage.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Legend] * 1
    #19043500 - 10/27/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Or she'll wake up terrified in a strangers bed not remembering how she got there or who the hell you are :lol:


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #19043503 - 10/27/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Or she'll wake up terrified in a strangers bed not remembering how she got there or who the hell you are :lol:



exactly, and with the implication, she'll feel like she has to sleep with you if she wants to leave safely.
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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #19043529 - 10/28/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I only feel comfortable fucking someone intoxicated if I'm intoxicated as well. Also, unsexy as it is, I ALWAYS get a verbal ok as I'm taking off clothes, licking & kissing during foreplay just to give them plenty of time to make sure we're on the same page.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19043531 - 10/28/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well yeah, she won't be leaving without the keys to the handcuffs man


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #19043720 - 10/28/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If they're awake?

But as a friend if I've done stuff with them before and they called me over??


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: Konyap]
    #19043897 - 10/28/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol, thanks guise, great responses you sick fucks


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19043939 - 10/28/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Or she'll wake up terrified in a strangers bed not remembering how she got there or who the hell you are :lol:



exactly, and with the implication, she'll feel like she has to sleep with you if she wants to leave safely.
:tongue:








But seriously, this is a good question. There is a huge stigma on sober people having sex with drunk people, rightfully so in some cases - however there's also a huge double standard with genders and it's kind of a grey area to begin with. Personally if I'm in a relationship with someone I would not give a shit if they were sober and I was drunk as long as I was able to give clear consent and as B0b0 put it, was on the same page. If I was totally passed out then it's a no go, for me, unless I stated permission prior to the situation(and that's for a monogamous/exclusive relationship only)

On a few different occasions I've had guys attempt to make out with me when I was literally laying on the floor and not moving. I was conscious, and I do remember it, but barely so and I was too drunk to do much more than continue to let it happen, think I might've grumbled and rolled over or something. Two of the three times the 'uh oh she's not moving, this is kinda rapey' instinct(at least I'm assuming) kicked in and they let me be.

The other time I wasn't on the floor, but had barely made it up the steps to an apartment, kept pulling away and flat saying 'I can't'(this was happening on my friends couch with people in the other rooms), he wasn't violent but he was still blatantly pulling me towards and on top of him when I was trying to get away. and eventually I was just like 'well OKAY' and briefly came in before my friend came in and broke up all the hoopla because he was clearly more sober than me(hell, he might've been totally sober, idk). I'm not even sure if things had progressed if I would say that was anything more than being heavily coerced because drunk or not I eventually kinda gave up. The whole thing was just kinda creepy but ultimately inconsequential.

If someone is too drunk to give verbal/obvious consent or you're heavily coercing them into it, it's probably a little on the rapey side.

I think you did the right thing, Buest, considering she could barely stand up, but I wouldn't call a drunk dude a rapist if a drunk girl pulled him into a room and they had consensual, albeit sloppy sex.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19043955 - 10/28/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

volcomstoner said:
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Or she'll wake up terrified in a strangers bed not remembering how she got there or who the hell you are :lol:



exactly, and with the implication, she'll feel like she has to sleep with you if she wants to leave safely.
:tongue:









Finally someone gets it :highfive:

Also I don't drink so I'm never sloppy drunk at parties so I'm almost always more sober than the girl. So I never sleep with her if she's more than just a little drunk. Of course if I'm on benzo's I have zero recollection of everything so that's the only exception.


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Re: At what point is it not rape to have sex with someone whose intoxicated? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19044004 - 10/28/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude its pretty clear.

blacked out, or passed out = rape

shes drunk and coming on to you = not rape


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