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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#19011470 - 10/21/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wasn't that like 2 weeks ago.. oh shit this thread is still going.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Withinity]
#19012458 - 10/22/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought the same.
what blows my mind is i stated theae reactions were just organic chemistry, to which op refuted.
yet now he claims they are biochemical reactions and are directly related.
tisk tisk op. you've lost all credibility now.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
#19012491 - 10/22/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said that I would define it as ionization.
Where did I say that it is unrelated to electrical phenomena? I said it is related if you read what I wrote.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#19013735 - 10/22/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: I think it is most likely that it originates in the body through biochemical reactions. Willful manipulation of the biochemical reactions has already been mapped as chi.
Why don't you argue this for all words? Why don't you argue %1 should be called %2?
%1: word that a nation, or nations use besides the original, to describe the same thing (ie: in your language).
%2: word for an object/place/etc, that was first discovered by a nation (transcribed/spoken in their language, foreign to yours).
E.g. Why don't you argue for using the words "ุญุงู
ุถ ุงูุณุชุฑูู" instead of "citric acid" since it was discovered in an Islamist country and first described in Arabic?
So, why argue for using the word Chi, and not the word/term they're currently using, unless you think the word doesn't do a proper job of describing it (but you said it did earlier)?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#19014880 - 10/22/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: rsbattle]
#19025650 - 10/24/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rsbattle said:
So, why argue for using the word Chi, and not the word/term they're currently using, unless you think the word doesn't do a proper job of describing it (but you said it did earlier)?
I argue for using whichever name came first to describe the phenomena, which I think would be prana or chi.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#19026118 - 10/24/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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teknix said: I argue for using whichever name came first to describe the phenomena, which I think would be prana or chi.
Obviously...
I'm asking why you don't do that with everything else then, even though you've said the word/term we use now, describes it, it's just "not the first word ever used to describe it"....
E.g. Why aren't you arguing for use the words "ุญุงู
ุถ ุงูุณุชุฑูู" instead of "citric acid" since it was discovered in an Islamist country and first described in Arabic (using those words (ุญุงู
ุถ ุงูุณุชุฑูู)?
I.e. a mix n match of languages Instead of arguing about using the "root" word for each and every word in our language, you're focusing on a couple single terms, which we can distinctly describe.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: rsbattle]
#19036110 - 10/26/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because currently prana / chi describes it better by utilizing both the creative and logical mind in equilibrium and provides a "how to" from many different angles.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix] 4
#19036526 - 10/26/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an acknowledged chi expert demonstrating his powers. I'm convinced now. 
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
#19036776 - 10/26/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It didn't work on him because he was a non-believer

Never gets old
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#19036932 - 10/26/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: It didn't work on him because he was a non-believer

Never gets old
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: extreme]
#19040192 - 10/27/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hate to be a lae poster on this thread. But chi is something that you have to experience to beleive. There are some areas where chi/energies mentioned in eastern scienece and religion cross-over with western. And there are other areas that are not. But chi is a very real thing
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82] 4
#19040359 - 10/27/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for reviving this old thread with your brilliant argument which contained no logic or evidence at all. You have truly swayed my opinion. 
Let me guess-- it has to be experienced to be believed, but if I don't believe it I can't experience it, right?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82]
#19040492 - 10/27/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Thanks for reviving this old thread with your brilliant argument which contained no logic or evidence at all. You have truly swayed my opinion. 
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: NetDiver]
#19040520 - 10/27/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said:
Let me guess-- it has to be experienced to be believed, but if I don't believe it I can't experience it, right?
That seems to be the picture, yes.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: johnm214]
#19041842 - 10/27/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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a reply to all of you:
So i was kind of a dumbass and hopelessly caught up in depression. My fault entirely tbh. Ruminating negative thoughts, drug abuse etc.
Since I was addicted to simulants, I had straight A's, and spent hours up at night reading about random crap. i gained a lot of knowledge this way. I read through a lot of eastern philosophy. I barely scarthed the surface, but still a significant gain in knowledge
Some chirpy motherfucker kept telling me to try seeing the good in others. Less pessimism. I couldnt do that. I thought he was an idiot. Some childish fuck simplying life and sugarcaoting the suffering we experience in this world. He went about explaining exactly what energies could be muted and which were opened via meditation in some kind of eastern philosophy. Either buddhist philsophy. Or chinese medicine
I was either stoned or wired 24/7 that entire time so i forget what exactly he said. Some mumbo jumbo bullshit and diagram about a lotus coming out of the top of someones head. This would be activated by focusing on your breath
At the time, I did tons of research into this and read bits about it here and there in various books. The whole time thinking it was absolute trash pseudo science
Now this isnt some basic arguement for chi itself. It is for energies that guide and rule our lives. Beyond our perception but fundamentally linked to our perception as well
A couple years later. Here I am. Finally clean from stimulants. Not wired or stoned 24/7. And chirpy as a motherfucker. After quitting stms for a little bit I would always relapse. But this time I didnt. Instead of relapsing, I meditated. All day, every day.
All ofthe sudden, the frustration and anger and pain I saw in the world had just disappeared. I felt a genuine compassion for others in the world. And the easten philosophies started to make sense
I will go ahead and give a second exmaple. I grew up in a vegatarian family. But I ate meat outside of home. It wasn't a big deal. My rents didnt impose their hippie views on me. But as I grew older I made my own descision to stop eating meat
From the ages of 13-19, every time I ate out, I always ate meat. At home, my mom didnt cook meat. And so it was vegatarina at home
Anyways. Reading through on some auyurvedic medicine, it states that vegatables have a sattwic energy. white meats, fish and dairy would be rajas. And potato chips, soda, and fast food would be tamas
The three energy levels. So when I stopped eating meat, it was for the sole purpose of enhancing sattwic energies. Livity and contentment. If one was trying to improve physically and grow muscle, they would eat rajastic food. When I became vegatarian, I felt a lot better on the daily. But my muscles wouldn't grow. They still dont grow. I workout fairly hard. No progress. I ate hemp prtien, whey protien, soy protien, dairy etc. Through supplement and diet. The only real protien that helped me actually gain muscle was white and red meat. a prfect example of how energies work
I would like to add on that acpunture and yoga have all done wonders for and my boldily energies
On top of all that...you guys act like I am an idiot because I am choosing energies and bullshit over logic and science. The two are very closely tied. I just feel that the eastern belief in energies etc does a great job of explaining how the body works and I have anecdotal evidence of dramatic changes in life fullfillment from chinese and indian medicine
What neuroscientists are just beginning to discover about meditation, half-naked yogis knew centuries ago. We find that cortical thickness and neuroplasticity are greatly improved by meditation. The mumbo jumbo that chripy motherfucker told me that meditation would enhance my ability to feel compassionate for others. Both stnadpoints are true. I am doing beast in school. Better than I had done before I was abusing stimulants. and I am happier. And I see the love and beauty in others Am I saying that surgery is a fallacy? No. Am I saying that chinese mediicine and homeopathy can cure cancer tumors? no.
I dont know shit. I am just 1 person on the globe of 7 billion people. my experiences have led me to believe that the world can be explained by both energies and science
But what I am telling you is to sto viewing the world in black and white.None of the poters on this thread know shit. I am inferring from my experience that the mumubo jumbo bullshit is true. I would be more than happy to admit I was wrong if I experienced something opposite
So I sat down for 20 minutes a day and focused on my breahting. please use western science to deduce how exactly doing that would make me see the beauty in others. Or pull me out of borderline suicidaldepression and drug abuse
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82]
#19041908 - 10/27/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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also, before I began acupunture. I went to a chinese doctor. I never met him. This was the first checkup. I hadnt said a word to him. He grabs my ear and pinches it. He gives me a hypothesis on how I have low energy levels, what excercises to do. What I am depressed about, and theacunpunture afterwards did magic
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82] 1
#19041959 - 10/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I sat down for 20 minutes a day and focused on my breahting. please use western science to deduce how exactly doing that would make me see the beauty in others. Or pull me out of borderline suicidaldepression and drug abuse 
First, the increased oxygen intake will improve your physiological health. Second, there's the placebo.
Did you really need anyone to point this out? Your entire post is riddled with wishful thinking motivated by death anxiety, twisting around trivial and well known occurrences into grander things to justify beliefs in the supranatural.
Have at it, personally I prefer to look at the truth of the matter. What I actually know and can deduce with reason, without stopping short for comfort.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#19041999 - 10/27/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said:
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topdog82 said:
So I sat down for 20 minutes a day and focused on my breahting. please use western science to deduce how exactly doing that would make me see the beauty in others. Or pull me out of borderline suicidaldepression and drug abuse 
First, the increased oxygen intake will improve your physiological health. Second, there's the placebo.
Did you really need anyone to point this out? Your entire post is riddled with wishful thinking motivated by death anxiety, twisting around trivial and well known occurrences into grander things to justify beliefs in the supranatural.
Have at it, personally I prefer to look at the truth of the matter. What I actually know and can deduce with reason, without stopping short for comfort.
hahahahahahahahahahahah
Placebo and increased oxygen intake pulled me out of suicidal depression and drug abuse. Lol this is why you have to experience it to believe in it. If you saw me at that point in time you could see that oxygen and placebo is not an avid explanation. On top of that, I stop breahting completely when I meditate for a long time and get really deep
This is what pisses me off. dont talk about something you have no understnading of. I dont expect you to mindlessly believe in some practice, but I do expect you to not ignorantly comment on something that you havent expericned or dont fully understnad
Keep in mind that placebo wasnt possible at all. I wanted to burn every single book I had on buddhism and hinduism. And kill the chirpy fucker who told me about energies. I woke up every morning and did lines of ampehtamines and ritalin until I felt normal and then packed lips and drank coffee and did more lines all day to retain the same state of dissassociated, depersonalized, depression that was only slightly elevated from not being on them
If I eperinced a relapse in stimulant abuse all over again and meditation failed to pull me out of it. I would have some level of reason to doubt these random energies. But until then, I can say with some level of certainty that it would make sense that it might be placebo or dramatic switch in my body's biochemistry. I really dont know how else to explain it
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82]
#19042428 - 10/27/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Acupuncture has repeatedly been shown to be nonsense. It is very much like astrology and religion in that there are a large number of schools that vehemently disagree with each other.
What cracks me up is the claims that it is thousands of years old. Guess when fine gold and stainless steel needles were invented.
Acupuncture cannot both be backed by science and beyond the purview of science, yet the practitioners and followers regularly make statements to this effect.
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