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InvisibleSleepwalker
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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042759 - 10/27/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so how do we decide who serves what function?  Is every member of the community going to be a jack of all trades?


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OfflineDestroyCurrency
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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042782 - 10/27/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not everybody has to do everything, but people can do more than one job within the community.  Higher skilled people probably will only do one job though, since their skills are needed in that area.


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InvisibleSleepwalker
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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042790 - 10/27/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What if that job that they are specialized for is harder?  Why should someone build skyscrapers if they get the same reward for making quilts?

I still don't see the difference from communism.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19042830 - 10/27/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thats why I was considering a credit system in which people get "extra credit" for the harder jobs.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19042841 - 10/27/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How is this "credit" system any different from the current monetary system? Seems exactly that same.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19043044 - 10/27/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First, I didn't say for sure that there would be a credit system, but if there was, everybody would get all of the previously mentioned things for free, but skilled workers could get "extra credit" that they could use for whatever they wanted.  But yeah, that is kind of like the money system.  But if there is no "extra credit" system, then people say its too communist.


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19043750 - 10/28/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In order to help you make your dream a reality, I will take all of your current currency off your hands. :yesnod:


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19043839 - 10/28/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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DestroyCurrency said:
Of course I have, but this wouldn't quite work the same as the Leninist state.  That's why I think it will work.  Lenin required everybody to work a set number of hours, regardless if they needed to do that much work.  But the big difference is that Lenin kept the concept of currency and the price mechanism.  I believe that if Lenin did away with currency (and if he was less authoritarian) that he would've succeded.



:curbyourenthusiasm: IMO you understand very little about human nature.  But that's often youthful folly.  Lenin was not the reason he didn't succeed. It was all the greedy little humans in the state.  Guys just like you and me. :satansmoking:


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: DestroyCurrency]
    #19043848 - 10/28/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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DestroyCurrency said:
Thats why I was considering a credit system in which people get "extra credit" for the harder jobs.





Everyone is going to want you to consider their job "harder" for various reasons.  The toilet cleaner has the hardest job.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: Icelander]
    #19044218 - 10/28/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

an idea good in intention and actually doesn't seem too bad at first.

however we must realize, money is not intrinsically evil! money is just one of the most obvious tools of the ego, and all the harm that it has done is all the harm that a race that is still living in ego minded seperatness will inevitably do to itself.

i tell you, the only REAL solution starts from within! the deepestt purest of solutions starts at the deepest point of the underlying problem. and guess where that is? the inner beings of each and every one of ourselves! the condition of society and man today is merely a manifestation of the conditions/mindsets of the majority's innerbeings. so sadly, there is no external solution. deleting the thing called money as you propose will only change the name and face of this controlling, self destroying, divisive entity created by our egos. just as this is true for the individual self, it is true for the mass collection of selves in our world. its crazy and awesome when you can see the parallels between how the individual mind's ego uses division, fear, and control and how our culture/society uses it. of course it all starts at the individual.

when we have reached a higher vibrational state on our planet, when the majority is not living in ego and fear but rather living in spirit and love, in reality and knowledge of their own beings, then we wont need any solutions. i doubt money would be a problem in this future.

as i said before, the problem is internal in its true nature, and if you think about it on a smaller scale it literally comes down to the level of you and me. how can we reach this point I spoke of just before? become more in touch with your own being and heart, and in the process spread love and compassion onto others. this is the simplest thing you can do. it is within compassion that these brilliant selfless agents of inspiration and change arise such as gandhi and MLK. in spreading love and helping others reach their full potential/realization in being, you become just another ripple in the wave of evolved consciousness. thus one step closer to the uniting of all humanity.

basically what i was trying to get across earlier was that changign the system countless ways wont ultimately solve the money problem(or most others), the people need to change in order for systems to change around them. 

as time goes on we should see money and power and controlling agents have less and less of a hold on humanity. and this will happen as fast as you, me, and every other individual wises up to greater truth. so don't tackle problems externally. don't think the quest for humanity to reach peace, harmony, and understanding is any different than you're own internal quest to reach peace, harmony, and understanding. even if you can't connect it, they are one in the same. the more you work on yourself the more equipped you are to help others. the less fear we have the more we allow one another to have less fear. the more you are spiritually realized and are "in" love, the more you will allow others to become realized and experience love/unity. in my mind this is how a consciousness revolution works.as an optimist, I do believe humanity will reach harmony (relative to now) before we end up killing eachother/the planet :smile:

sorry that im ranting/preaching. i just get a little excited as I dont get to discuss these ideas to many - ok - anyone(and I just jooined wooooo :smile:)


Edited by krishh (10/28/13 03:47 AM)


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: krishh]
    #19044228 - 10/28/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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when we have reached a higher vibrational state on our planet




When we can move objects solely with our minds, when bullets bounce off our chests and we can fly without the aid of machines...

WTF kind of New Age crap are you spouting? What makes you believe in this totally fictional future?

What if we abandoned 'what if' type scenarios and dealt with actual reality?


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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19044322 - 10/28/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i use the word vibration as a metaphysical term to describe consciousness. higher vibrational = larger consciousness. i'm not retarded and i realize the difference between abstractness and practicality. please be respectful and dont treat me like a lunatic, lol

sorry, i realize now you guys were probably werent looking for such abstract and prospective inquiries. still i believe our struggles with money is just another symptom of a sick people. mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.  and its not fictional, its happening now, and really has been happening throughout history. our consciousness is evolving. this is reality dude. do you not agree that problems must be solved inside out at all? things dont change until we do.
i get what ur saying, we want to hear practical things. "tell me what i can do right now to make things better" and while i'm not labeling this attitude completely useless, if ur looking for the "secret formula" to solve such huge problems today such as money and distribution of wealth, truth is ur not gonna find it in the current paradigm and way of thinking/being today. THERE IS NONE that will work with the people of today. the people that hand over millions to celebrities and worship lives of extravagance and excess, all the while letting our brothers in africa die of literal starvation. Things dont change until we do.

my language use might have made u a bit uncomfortable and i understand.  but i urge you to not label things so quickly to dismiss it. im sure this will sound like mindless gibberish to some, but i assume on a site like this it will communicate to at least some!


Edited by krishh (10/28/13 04:49 AM)


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InvisibleInto The Woods
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Re: Destroy Currency? [Re: krishh]
    #19044372 - 10/28/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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