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InvisibleKatuXiK
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Healthy or contaminated?
    #19040879 - 10/27/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The veils on the last two mushrooms I've harvested never managed to break, they just stopped growing right at the point where the veil is right about to tear. My question is this though, one of the veils wound up having a whole either torn, or potentially chewed in it.

Does this guy look alright, or should I be concerned? There were no foul smells coming from the mushroom, and I tore the stem out to check for bugs in the cap and everything looked 100% A-OK. There are also no signs of bugs in the FC, although there have been an increase in flies lately due to the sudden temperature drop here.

EDIT: I searched around for a while before posting, just couldn't seem to find anything quite like this. Found a thread about mushrooms with no veils that weren't dropping spores though.


Edited by KatuXiK (10/27/13 01:47 PM)


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19041259 - 10/27/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think there's anything wrong with that... Some of my veils have torn quickly and nicely, but my latest flush that I harvested was kinda like that. They looked like they were not going to tear at all. Just be patient. I think you picked at a good time but I'm no harvesting expert.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19041260 - 10/27/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also I have the same laptop as you lol


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19043275 - 10/27/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The only reason it's concerning me is because it didn't break at the cap or at the stem at all, only that spot right there. It was a full veil when I went to bed one night, and then when I woke up it had a huge hole in it, sorta sketched me out. Other than that the shroom looks/smells healthy, weighed around .9g, with the cap weighing in at .45g (honestly, I could probably hit threshold and maybe peripherals with just that). I had one more mushroom that did exactly the same thing, grew the veil to the point of breaking and then made no progress at all for 24 hours. I would've waited longer to see if it would mature, but I was afraid of the hole the other one had, and I've read that many people prefer to pick before the veil tears anyway, so I didn't think it would be a big deal.

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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19046350 - 10/28/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

0.9g dry or normal?

hahaha yess <3


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19046383 - 10/28/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Absolutely fine.

Smaller, woodier mushrooms with veils less prone to tearing are, IMHO, often caused by lower RH or low substrate moisture. But not necessarily so.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: Kagenical]
    #19048017 - 10/28/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It was .9 dry, definitely dry. :P

I think my cakes are experiencing low RH and contamination, they're turning a funny orange color since the second dunk. I'm giving them 2 more days to start looking promising, but I'm guess they're gonna get more orange. Honestly, I think it's about time to throw these out and sterilize the fuck out of my grow area. It's w/e though, shit happens.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19048167 - 10/28/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd figure out what exactly what's going on before you toss your cakes. It may not be contamination related.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19048916 - 10/28/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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KatuXiK said:
It was .9 dry, definitely dry. :P

I think my cakes are experiencing low RH and contamination, they're turning a funny orange color since the second dunk. I'm giving them 2 more days to start looking promising, but I'm guess they're gonna get more orange. Honestly, I think it's about time to throw these out and sterilize the fuck out of my grow area. It's w/e though, shit happens.




Okay good. I was asking because I haven't got my scale yet and I wanna guestimate how much total mass I have based on the size of yours!

The orange colour is weird. Pics? I would say give them 2 more days then toss them. Is this after/during the first flush? Seems weird that they would experience contam so fast.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19049219 - 10/28/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
I'd figure out what exactly what's going on before you toss your cakes. It may not be contamination related.




The reasons I'm jumping to tossing are:

A) my agar trays spawned some HUGE colonies of trich, some other molds I didn't recognize, and some small bacteria colonies after roughly 10 days, with no signs of mycelium on any MS trays. Since then I've noticed some spots on my cake that are much more green than blue (it's faint like mild bruising, but definitely green),

B) some dishes in my kitchen got trich, the same "other" mold, AND cobweb,

C) we have mice out the ass,

D) my cakes are turning orange in many, many places; Also, my FC smells pretty strange, although I've read that after harvesting, things can start to smell a little funky. I'm going to go ahead and attribute the smell to the orange spots though, even though when I sniff the cake I can't seem to find that particular smell.

I'd give you some pictures, but the camera on my current phone is simply not good enough to do so, you'll simply see a BRF cake with extremely poor color definition and very low resolution.

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It was .9 dry, definitely dry. :P

I think my cakes are experiencing low RH and contamination, they're turning a funny orange color since the second dunk. I'm giving them 2 more days to start looking promising, but I'm guess they're gonna get more orange. Honestly, I think it's about time to throw these out and sterilize the fuck out of my grow area. It's w/e though, shit happens.




Okay good. I was asking because I haven't got my scale yet and I wanna guestimate how much total mass I have based on the size of yours!

The orange colour is weird. Pics? I would say give them 2 more days then toss them. Is this after/during the first flush? Seems weird that they would experience contam so fast.




The orange color appeared after the their second dunk, which was after the first "flush" which yielded maybe 6g from 3 cakes, most of my pins aborted. 2 cakes had MASSIVE pin sets that either aborted or matured while still very small (I got a print though!), and 1 cake produced 2 mushrooms that totaled somewhere between 1.5g and 2g; I didn't weigh them dry though, they got eaten the day they opened their caps.

Also, for your guesstimate of dry weight, I'd simply say pictures may be misleading. I didn't take any measurements of stem length, stem diameter, or cap diameter, so personally I would make judgements on previous use of mushrooms (if any), jump in blind, or wait until you have a scale (this is what I would do).

I'm an extremely inexperienced user (we're talking 2 trips), so I don't want to try and give you advice and then put you in a level 5 trip like I had with one tab of 25c, because the guy that gave it to me had no idea what the actual dose on the tab was. All he knew was that he and his friends usually took 2-3 tabs to hit somewhere between level 2 and level 3, and as it turned out the dosage of the tab I took was equivalent to somewhere between 5-10 of the tabs of what they had all been taking. The dealer he got it from simply neglected to tell him that until after I made it to the ER.

Happy trails man, and safe tripping! :smile:


Edited by KatuXiK (10/28/13 10:06 PM)


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19049418 - 10/28/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha, yeah I read the story - sounds pretty crazy!
I am not actually using that for dosage! Just wanted a rough idea. Obviously I will wait for the scale to come in the mail :smile:

Or maybe I will just surprise myself :wink:


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19049523 - 10/28/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty crazy is an understatement. It was a trip through hell with no definition of self, complete and total insanity consumed my entire being. Never again will I touch RC's, in fact I might not even do LSD now, just cause I'm that scared of getting a dose like that again. I almost had a flash back with around 1g of shrooms while sitting in a pizza place, there was a very familiar (and equally horrifying) tearing noise that became very pronounced, and it was accompanied by strong physical pain; I told my friends it was time to leave, grabbed my coat, and got outside in a matter of 30 seconds, and immediately the noise and the pain left.

Psychedelics be cray cray man, but aside from that little moment (and an uncomfortable come up), my mushroom experience was absolutely wonderful.

Also, waiting for the scale is the best decision if you ask me! Of course, if you're an experienced user, then surprising yourself might be pretty fun.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19049818 - 10/29/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, weird. Glad your experience was good. And no I am not an experienced user haha! Hoping to have my first trip this weekend if all goes according to plan. Searching for a sitter though.

Anyway keep me posted on the grow progress, I am curious as to what's up now. Will be monitoring this thread!


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: TheGreenBox]
    #19049862 - 10/29/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably wont have much more progress to update other than "I threw them out". We'll see though. Maybe I'm just drunk and pessimistic, or maybe they really are fucked. I'll check tomorrow.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19067135 - 10/31/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

#drunkandpessimistic

I must have been really high when I set up my FC, and must've stayed high long enough not to notice the issue. I only had 2 inches of perilite in my SGFC, but I swear to god I measured it at 4" when I set it up. Low RH is probably what has been screwing with me this whole time. Anyway I just added a second bag of perilite to the FC, gave the cakes a good mist and fan, and am now in the process of drinking myself to sleep so I can get up at 7am to go pack chocolates for 7 hours in a really cold candy kitchen (ugh).

Hopefully my grow picks up, I'd be one hell of a happy camper. Also, my cakes are looking whiter every day, the orange discoloration is slowly disappearing.

Send some good vibes my way guys, I need them badly.

Sleep tight shroomery.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19079650 - 11/03/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So anybody got an idea of whether or not I may have salvaged my grow? I haven't seen any pins yet, albeit it's only been about 3 days since I added the perilite, they were in there for a good 3 weeks with the 2" perilite layer.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19079681 - 11/03/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

did you dunk your cakes again?  i had an issue once and took a couple cakes out of the fc for a couple hours then dunked again, evaporation is a key pinning trigger


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: cronicr]
    #19083817 - 11/04/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I should try dunking them again? How long do you think, another 12 hours, or more like 6? I do suppose they are looking rather small.


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Re: Healthy or contaminated? [Re: KatuXiK]
    #19084838 - 11/04/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I decided to go with a 9 hour dunk, because they were dunked not that long ago, and also because last time I dunk pins showed up, got rather large, got bruised up and broken from hitting other cakes, the plate holding them down, and the bottom of the pot. So this time I made sure that if pins did show up (which they did!) they'd still be very small and unharmed when I removed them from the water; Now everybody just pray they don't abort!


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