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How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro?
    #19040754 - 10/27/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know that SP and PT are very variable, but I'd like to know how the dosage of San Pedro and Peruvian Torch compare, in the experience of those who have tried both. Fresh.

I am talking about San Pedro that grows rather thick, with rather light green skin when in strong sunlight. The Torch I have is much darker, even though it grew in intense sunlight. Both cases I'm dealing with very old cactus. The most I've taken of the San Pedro is around 3ft of 6 inch thick cactus. It was around 2-3 pounds per foot. It was INTENSE, and lasted FOREEEEVAAAAA, but it took quite a bit of cactus. 2 pounds got most people off quite nicely. I am yet to try the Torch, but I've got quite the nice specimen.

So, what would equal around 2-3 pounds (1ft of 6 inch thick) of average potency (mature) San Pedro, in average potency Peruvian Torch. Also, in what ways does the experiences differ? I know that I cannot possibly compare San Pedro to Magic Mushrooms or DMT, even though the visual effects are very very similar, the mental effects are almost opposites to me. I know that I only enjoyed my first Magic Mushroom trip, mainly because I wanted to 'get out of my mind' and that is exactly what mushrooms did for me. I totally loved the disconnection. Later on, disconnection was the LAST thing I wanted, and shrooms was a very frightful experience to me because of it. It felt like it was taking over my mind. San Pedro doesn't do that at all. In fact, I feel more connected than ever while on it. Both could show me truths and answers, but I couldn't keep any of the ones I got on mushrooms, and DMT only worked by shocking me to my senses. On San Pedro, that I first took to get more fucked up than weed could get me, put my thought processes on overdrive, and helped with massive introspection, while maintaining an hyper-sober mind, which helped assimilate and remember the key truths I got through each experience. I also experience LESS AND LESS fear when working with cactus, even after a massive, basically irresponsible dosage. Each time I take it the apprehension lowers, as I can tell it is safe. Way safer than I could have dreamt it being. Mushrooms, on the other hand, freaks me out more and more the more I take it, even on lower and lower doses. I eventually figured that the best dose of shrooms is no dose at all, at least for me.

So, how does San Pedro and Peruvian Torch compare, when at the same intensity level? And how does the dosages to get to the same intensity compare?


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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19041043 - 10/27/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What, nobody?


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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19041229 - 10/27/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What, nobody?





It's only been an hour between your posts......patience :smirk:.





I made a thread questioning the potency/dosing of San pedro compared to Peruvian torch a couple months ago. Generally, Peruvian torch can potentially be somewhat more potent than San Pedro. But, just like San Pedro, the potency can be very variable from specimen to specimen. So, it's said to be more or less in the same ball park as San pedro......In comparison to bridgesii, which is known to be consistently more potent than either SP or PT. You might have a potent cutting, you might have a weak cutting. You won't know until you take it :shrug: .


With PT, I'd take the same amount as I would with SP....Or, if you have enough material of the same specimen to work with, maybe try out a relatively smaller amount first to get an idea of the potency.






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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: openmind]
    #19041297 - 10/27/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What, nobody?





It's only been an hour between your posts......patience :smirk:.





I made a thread questioning the potency/dosing of San pedro compared to Peruvian torch a couple months ago. Generally, Peruvian torch can potentially be somewhat more potent than San Pedro. But, just like San Pedro, the potency can be very variable from specimen to specimen. So, it's said to be more or less in the same ball park as San pedro......In comparison to bridgesii, which is known to be consistently more potent than either SP or PT. You might have a potent cutting, you might have a weak cutting. You won't know until you take it :shrug: .


With PT, I'd take the same amount as I would with SP....Or, if you have enough material of the same specimen to work with, maybe try out a relatively smaller amount first to get an idea of the potency.






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LoL, I'm in South Africa and it's getting late and I want to go to sleep, patience doesn't exist, lol.

I've got more than enough, and I KNOW this one is more potent, I can just FEEL it. (I tend to be quite accurate when it comes to feeling it...) I kinda just want to know what other people's experiences where with it. Can you link me to your thread?

The number one reason I want to see other people's experiences is that I am taking it with my father, who will be on a psychedelic for the first time, and I really don't want to throw him into the deep end, but I don't want him to only get a funny tummy and get stuck in that in-between space where you can't really let go into it. (Like what 1 glass of wine would make you, where you need 2-3 to relax into it, but not at 4-5 where you actually start getting drunk.)

Maybe I should eat like 100g (fresh) tomorrow before I start my day. I need to do a whole lot of organizing and cleaning, and mescaline is wonderful for that... That should give me an idea of what I am dealing with, without needing to worry about being too tripped out to function...


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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19041394 - 10/27/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, I see :grin: ...


There are a few family members of mine that I'd like to introduce to the cactus someday, and they have no previous experience with psychedelics, so I totally hear what you're saying. I think that's a good plan you have to sample some of it before hand.


In the case of this situation...putting myself in your shoes, I think it would be best to sample the potency before hand. I know I'd want to have an idea of the potency before giving some to someone to take, especially if that someone was my father.



And I know that feeling, when you just have that feeling and know the cactus (or any psychoactive plant) is going to be on the potent side.....

Here's the thread I had going a couple months ago before I tried the PT...

How much more potent is Peruvian Torch compared to San Pedro?



I have since tried that PT cactus and the tea I brewed up with it that I spoke about in that thread. I was honestly a bit disappointed with how it turned out. But it was mixed with San pedro and there was some other variable at play, with out going into the details of things, it just didn't quite take me to where I thought it would..Still a lovely time though.




I'd like to hear how the experience goes for you and your father....once it happens.






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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19043883 - 10/28/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so I chomped down half a 1 1/2 inch slice. That was over 100g! When I took the slice and put it on the scale, I expected it to be 100g, and it ended up being 240g. So I cut it in half. Just the half itself was hard to get down. (I normally have no problem eating up to a pound of fresh flesh, including cores. In fact, my perfect dose is pretty much the maximum amount of fresh flesh I can chomp.) While eating it everything breathed... It's funny how potent cactus has immediate effects, which subsides after around half an hour, before changing character into something else pretty much every half hour for the duration of the trip...

Gonna eat and start doing some chores. If the chores become fun, I KNOW the stuff is real strong...


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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19044152 - 10/28/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, so I chomped down half a 1 1/2 inch slice. That was over 100g! When I took the slice and put it on the scale, I expected it to be 100g, and it ended up being 240g. So I cut it in half. Just the half itself was hard to get down. (I normally have no problem eating up to a pound of fresh flesh, including cores. In fact, my perfect dose is pretty much the maximum amount of fresh flesh I can chomp.) While eating it everything breathed... It's funny how potent cactus has immediate effects, which subsides after around half an hour, before changing character into something else pretty much every half hour for the duration of the trip...

Gonna eat and start doing some chores. If the chores become fun, I KNOW the stuff is real strong...




Ok, slight drunkish feeling at T+2 hours. Focused. Energetic yet calm. Clear... I've got some real good stuff here, didn't expect this much at all. A pound will probably be quite psychedelic. Good thing I checked this out first... No more than a pound for my father, that is for sure, and anything over 2 pounds will be bordering on irresponsible dosing.


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Re: How does Peruvian Torch dosage compare to San Pedro? [Re: The Centre]
    #19044253 - 10/28/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, I'm real glad I didn't take the whole slice, as I've got to deal with people. I've got some breathing of objects, lots of shifting, extra pattern recognition... Way more than I expected.  :yesnod:


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