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I had a great time at church today! * 9
    #19040398 - 10/27/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had a great time at church today! The sermon was motivating and uplifting, the song service was endorphin-inducing, the conversations were positive, encouraging, and sometimes even interesting, the food was excellent and free, and the women were pretty, polite, ambitious, self-disciplined, and well-dressed.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #19040403 - 10/27/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hate church:peyotezen:


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #19040407 - 10/27/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I went to church last night for a few hours. It was also awesome, so awesome in fact that I can feel the service still lingering in me today.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19040411 - 10/27/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19040420 - 10/27/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to goto church. At first I liked the christian service, but after a few months I found it incredibly annoying and they spent more time talking about church funding and stupid events than actually speaking the word of God. So I stopped going to church


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19040430 - 10/27/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to goto church. At first I liked the christian service, but after a few months I found it incredibly annoying and they spent more time talking about church funding and stupid events than actually speaking the word of God. So I stopped going to church



Why not try a different church?

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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19040433 - 10/27/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude




I'll occasionally attend this big, new age, hip church with my Mom just to make her feel better. I'm not religious though so that's probably why:shrug:

I'm just messing around though, I'm glad you had a good time:thumbup:


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19040441 - 10/27/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't go to a New Age church, I go a Bible-centered church without all the gimmicks. No rock bands, no entertainers. Just serious discussion about the Bible. And when we sing, everyone participates. There are no instruments to distract you from the music.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19040448 - 10/27/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

FruitOFLife, find a different church.


morrowasted, i'm glad you enjoyed this morning's service.
are you planning in going back next week?
what kind of church was it?

i've been thinking of going to church again, i haven't been to a service since early this summer.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19040462 - 10/27/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't go to a New Age church, I go a Bible-centered church without all the gimmicks. No rock bands, no entertainers. Just serious discussion about the Bible. And when we sing, everyone participates. There are no instruments to distract you from the music.




Interesting...yeah I really don't like all the gimmicks, the whole "appealing to the kids" aspect kinda grosses me out...but my Mom likes it so I tolerate it from time to time.

I went to a more conventional church as a kid; I found it rather boring at the time. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself though, I think that sense of community is pretty cool:thumbup:


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: broken]
    #19040474 - 10/27/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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FruitOFLife, find a different church.


morrowasted, i'm glad you enjoyed this morning's service.
are you planning in going back next week?
what kind of church was it?

i've been thinking of going to church again, i haven't been to a service since early this summer.



Yeah I actually go basically every week and have been for several months now, I just particularly enjoyed it today. The denomination is "Church of Christ" even though they will claim they are not a denomination but simply the one true christian church :rolleyes: It's whatever, I prefer it because they take their examination of the Bible seriously and most of them are well-educated so the class discussions get deep and interesting, involving historical and linguistic perspectives that you rarely find in other Bible classes


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19040760 - 10/27/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone else go to church regularly?


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #19040813 - 10/27/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Other Christians on the Shroomery!?!  :feelsgoodman:

I've not attended church in a couple months, and I really need to change that


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19040833 - 10/27/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Other Christians on the Shroomery!?!  :feelsgoodman:

I've not attended church in a couple months, and I really need to change that



Surprised me too

I don't really like the church my family goes to because there are a lot of families there from my high school and they always feel the need to start up the 'so what's your major' conversation


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19040905 - 10/27/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Other Christians on the Shroomery!?!  :feelsgoodman:

I've not attended church in a couple months, and I really need to change that





same here, im not baptized but the GF is catholic, i enjoy listening to the dude talk

its like any priest dude has his own stories to go along with the scriptures

i find it artistic almost taking a passage from the bible and and finding your own way to describe it/relating it to your own life


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19040960 - 10/27/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i am not against church but Idk how people can sit around and listen to one dude tell them how to live their life.

he's a guy in a funny robe not special.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight]
    #19041004 - 10/27/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i have never had a single experience at at service the way you described it.
other then a guy in a robe.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: broken]
    #19041020 - 10/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

a guy at the front of a room reading a book followed by his opinion about the reading, a bunch of archaic ceremonies, doesn't sound familiar?


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19041030 - 10/27/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never mind I need to hide this thread or I'm just going to get angry :lol:

pretend I didnt say anything


save yourself while you can it's a ridiculous pastime based on a centuries old model of control founded in books that have been edited and translated many times.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight]
    #19041031 - 10/27/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i am not against church but Idk how people can sit around and listen to one dude tell them how to live their life.

he's a guy in a funny robe not special.




Doesn't sound like any church service I've ever attended.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #19041338 - 10/27/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude




Or he didn't get that nonsense jammed through his soft spot when he was young.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19041847 - 10/27/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I had a great time at church today! The sermon was motivating and uplifting, the song service was endorphin-inducing, the conversations were positive, encouraging, and sometimes even interesting, the food was excellent and free, and the women were pretty, polite, ambitious, self-disciplined, and well-dressed.



I prefer the public mass the OTO puts on, naked priestess on the alter and the simulated sex acts with the priest's staff make it worth going once a year for baphomet's birthday.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #19041878 - 10/27/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Does anyone else go to church regularly?




Yep, I go to a Catholic church. There's a new priest from Africa who seems pretty cool. The guy before him was from Vietnam and he was a dick, so we started going to other churches more.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: psi]
    #19041913 - 10/27/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The last time I went to church I was 9 and the Priest told me that God watches me when I sleep. I never went again


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Can-i-bus]
    #19041928 - 10/27/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19041950 - 10/27/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Church?

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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19042054 - 10/27/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
i am not against church but Idk how people can sit around and listen to one dude tell them how to live their life.

he's a guy in a funny robe not special.




Doesn't sound like any church service I've ever attended.



That's because it's too lae for you!!! You're brainwashed!!!!

Nah actually I haven't been to church since I think 4th grade, me and a buddy from highschool were gonna go to our old catholic church (both huge atheists) but we could never wake up early enough to go. But I do wanna check one out one of these days again.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19042107 - 10/27/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude




How  do you know its the right church. I don't go to church cause I don't want to piss God off. I mean what if its the wrong church isn't that going to piss God off? If I don't go to church then there is no fear in that. And really does God want to be worshiped? If God is the ultimate LOVE I find wanting to be worship a bit narcissistic.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Eddeee]
    #19042267 - 10/27/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In middle school me and my friends used to sneak into the church to smoke pot
It was a real "fuck you" to god


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: volcomstoner] * 4
    #19042275 - 10/27/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And God didn't even give a fuck.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: jewunit]
    #19042299 - 10/27/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nope, but I did when I fucked that chick in the church elevator


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19042332 - 10/27/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

haha church, what a laugh

"God is good people, let the lord in and he will save you."

So....what happened? why did he create evil? oops....


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19042367 - 10/27/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think the one & only Bill Burr said it best...



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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19042369 - 10/27/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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haha church, what a laugh

"God is good people, let the lord in and he will save you."

So....what happened? why did he create evil? oops....




YOU actually make a good point here. If God is pure Perfection then why did he make the world so imperfect. If God created Man and if God Knows all things Then he new man would fail him. Why creat someting that is sure to fail when your perfect?
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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Eddeee]
    #19042388 - 10/27/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I asked that question when I was like 12 and my pastor just looked at me dumbfounded and couldn't really answer. I stopped going to church around that time too even though my parents bitched about it nonstop.

I mean really, I'm not gonna listen to dude going on and on about this fictional bullshit from a bible and how jesus is the son of god, how god is good and great and all that is holy

so what, what happened along the lines of his creation? Just oops, we can throw in lots of pain and unnecessary suffering for lulz...yeah that sounds good

pfft...god is good my ass

god is all that is good, but god damn he is all that is bad. My friends parents were catholics and I asked them that question... they stopped letting me hang out with him and they actually moved away from us, not sure if that was related or not but damn.

I stopped believing in the christian god pretty early on


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19042494 - 10/27/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But wait on the other hand  maybe we are missing the big picture. I mean maybe mankind has to go through the shit the imperfection the pain the hate the sadness the suffering so when its all said and done we as humans will be at a leval where we will know peace, I do not dismiss god.  Life and its builiding blockes seem very ordered which is preplexing to me because every thing else has no order. I study life around me and it all fits in to this planet, I have notice with mankind we humans don't seem to fit in. At this very moment we are trying to leave this planet.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight]
    #19043019 - 10/27/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said: it's a ridiculous pastime based on a centuries old model of control founded in books that have been edited and translated many times.





you say this like i don't already know?
i'm not some brainwashed bible-thumber.
i attended church as a child, was a cynical, angry atheist in my teens a early twenties.
then i had a very spiritual experience after a rather large dose of cubes.

my understanding of God is not that of any organized religion, but that doesn't mean i can't got to a service (which i don't feel i do often enough, only a few times a year) and enjoy it for what it's worth: stories of basic morality, and a community of people who share at least some or most of the same values.

i say i was thinking of going to church again and you say to me "save yourself well you can."
LOL, only on the shroomery.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: broken]
    #19043081 - 10/27/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mean I honestly hope you get something out of it.  I just dont know if I'd throw money at it.  IMHO God is a much broader concept then alot of people prescribe to, but on the whole I seriously doubt God cares whether or not you go to sunday school or throw money in the offering plate.  I've seen alot of crooked motherfuckers call themselves "men of God" all in all just take it with a grain of sand.
Honestly I thought about going to going to an OTO service, I may have to check that out now that Ellis Dee mentioned.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: broken]
    #19043093 - 10/27/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said: it's a ridiculous pastime based on a centuries old model of control founded in books that have been edited and translated many times.





you say this like i don't already know?
i'm not some brainwashed bible-thumber.
i attended church as a child, was a cynical, angry atheist in my teens a early twenties.
then i had a very spiritual experience after a rather large dose of cubes.

my understanding of God is not that of any organized religion, but that doesn't mean i can't got to a service (which i don't feel i do often enough, only a few times a year) and enjoy it for what it's worth: stories of basic morality, and a community of people who share at least some or most of the same values.

i say i was thinking of going to church again and you say to me "save yourself well you can."
LOL, only on the shroomery.




Have you spoken to your fellow value holders about your religious experience with mushrooms?

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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19043101 - 10/27/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

some of them, yes.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: broken] * 2
    #19043213 - 10/27/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You guys are totally missing OPs point by being passive, sarcastic and dismissive. Oh well. Just remember that there is always two sides to a coin and were not even a coin, were of a multidimensional infinite universe. There are a million ways to take this and you guys are just being negative Nancy's because it involves believing or at least attending a conventention or ceremony that you guys don't believe in. That's just close minded.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight]
    #19044480 - 10/28/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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a guy at the front of a room reading a book followed by his opinion about the reading, a bunch of archaic ceremonies, doesn't sound familiar?



sounds like a Catholic mass. I've never been to one but I've heard that's what they are like. Sunday fellowship at the church I go to is completely and utterly different.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: NWlight]
    #19044486 - 10/28/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Never mind I need to hide this thread or I'm just going to get angry :lol:

pretend I didnt say anything


save yourself while you can it's a ridiculous pastime based on a centuries old model of control founded in books that have been edited and translated many times.



The dead sea scrolls confirmed that translations have not deviated very much from the original texts. The fact that certain passages are explicitly annotated "This passage does not appear in the earliest manuscripts" ought to be a giveaway that Bible scholars haven't just been translating texts willy-nilly without any standards of scholastic accountability


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19044494 - 10/28/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude




Or he didn't get that nonsense jammed through his soft spot when he was young.



Sounds to me like you've got a grudge. Did someone jam something into one of your soft spots at church when you were young? No such thing happened to me, so it's not hard for me to be happy, carefree, and open-minded. Sorry you got raped, if that is the case. It's really shitty that some people shame religion with such atrocities.

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In middle school me and my friends used to sneak into the church to smoke pot
It was a real "fuck you" to god



I used to snort cocaine and eat acid and smoke bowls at church as a teenager when I was forced to go. I haven't been to church under the influence in a while now, but I can't say I've never done it as an adult. I've gone to church on speed and painkillers a couple times.

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And God didn't even give a fuck.





About what? How do you know? How do you even know there is a God...? Never mind, I'm just talking about going to church, this isn't supposed to be a theological debate.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19044509 - 10/28/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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haha church, what a laugh

"God is good people, let the lord in and he will save you."

So....what happened? why did he create evil? oops....



I don't believe or disbelieve in God, but if that's your most advanced rejection of the possibility of a god, then you're not trying very hard. I don't want to turn this into a theological discussion but if you want to be involved in such discussions and you want to take yourself seriously, you need to familiarize yourself with the arguments that already exist. The argument that denies the existence of God based on the so-called existence of evil has been addressed countless times by countless philosophers who are far more intelligent and more well-versed in both religious and atheistic literature than either you or me. Before Richard Dawkins, Anthony Flew was the world's foremost authority on atheist philosophy. He converted to Christianity in old age. If you want to engage in discussions about the existence of God at a much higher level than "well what about evil?" do yourself a favor and read "There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind".

I'm not saying it convinced me, and I'm not saying it will convince you. But I can easily see how God could exist despite the so-called existence of evil.

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I asked that question when I was like 12 and my pastor just looked at me dumbfounded and couldn't really answer.


It's unfortunate that you
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B) has a pastor who wasn't able to break down somewhat complicated arguments in a way that he believed a 12 year old could understand them


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044515 - 10/28/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you spoken to your fellow value holders about your religious experience with mushrooms?

No?

Oh......


I have. You seem to have a lot of preconceived judgments about how all Christians necessarily behave. I haven't encountered anyone else at Church who actively uses psychedelics but I have encountered two older individuals (in their fifties/sixties) who have used them in the past and who vouch for their potential to induce a kind of divine or at least mystical inspiration. These individuals do not believe that psychedelic drugs are bad in any way whatsoever, they simply do not feel compelled to them them anymore.
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Alan Watts's books of the '60s reveal the influence of these chemical adventures on his outlook. He later said about psychedelic drug use, "If you get the message, hang up the phone."[16]




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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044521 - 10/28/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bible scholars haven't just been translating texts willy-nilly without any standards of scholastic accountability



:ilold:  Seriously?  Have you read anything about the council of Nicea... Anything that didn't fit they're version of a "resurrection god" dogma got thrown out.
I mean it has its merits but "The Bible" as a "historical Text" is a fucking joke.  It was created to hold an empire together.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19044532 - 10/28/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bible scholars haven't just been translating texts willy-nilly without any standards of scholastic accountability



:ilold:  Seriously?  Have you read anything about the council of Nicea... Anything that didn't fit they're version of a "resurrection god" dogma got thrown out.
I mean it has its merits but "The Bible" as a "historical Text" is a fucking joke.  It was created to hold an empire together.



:rolleyes: Yes, I have. The council did not translate the texts. The texts still existed in the original languages at the time of the council. It simply decided which texts would be included in Catholic canon and decided on a canonical interpretation that would end up being used in the Catholic religion. Christianity was spreading like wildfire at the time of the council; don't act like the Roman government deserves the credit for Christianity's popularity.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044544 - 10/28/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pssh I don't go to sky wizard worshiping meetings,

I meet with sky wizards and get worshiped.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Everlong]
    #19044552 - 10/28/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pssh I don't go to sky wizard worshiping meetings,

I meet with sky wizards and get worshiped.



How do you do that?


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044554 - 10/28/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pssh I don't go to sky wizard worshiping meetings,

I meet with sky wizards and get worshiped.



How do you do that?



Top secret, I couldn't tell you or the other sky wizards might bar me from future gatherings.

I'll tell God you said what's up


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Everlong] * 1
    #19044556 - 10/28/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Tell him I said "Thanks"


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044557 - 10/28/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Tell him I said "Thanks"



No problem, I'm sure it will give him a good chuckle.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044578 - 10/28/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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a guy at the front of a room reading a book followed by his opinion about the reading, a bunch of archaic ceremonies, doesn't sound familiar?



sounds like a Catholic mass. I've never been to one but I've heard that's what they are like. Sunday fellowship at the church I go to is completely and utterly different.



Yeah that sounds more or less correct. The sermons (aka homilies) vary a lot depending on who gives them though. Some are really academic and dry, some are more personal, some always start off on a corny joke, etc. The prayers are more or less the same every time, but there are four different readings (Old testament, Psalms (often sung,) New testament, Gospel.) The gospel reading and homily can only be done by a priest or deacon I believe. Deacons are the ones who are sort of like priests but can be married. They can't do confessions or bless the communion but they can do a bunch of things a priest can do.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: psi]
    #19044607 - 10/28/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah that sounds pretty boring. deacons have different functions at the church I go to. My dad is an elder at his church.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19044635 - 10/28/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah the prayers that are the same every time are kind of a trance inducing thing, it's kind of cool hearing everyone say them in unison. The homilies vary a lot from person to person, some are interesting and thought provoking and some are terrible and take forever. The deacon at our church is a cool guy, very welcoming and inclusive. He's kind of a big jolly Santa Claus character. He does all the baptisms and stuff like that.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: Uzziel]
    #19045574 - 10/28/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And God didn't even give a fuck.





About what? How do you know? How do you even know there is a God...? Never mind, I'm just talking about going to church, this isn't supposed to be a theological debate.



It was just a joke.
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I asked that question when I was like 12 and my pastor just looked at me dumbfounded and couldn't really answer. I stopped going to church around that time too even though my parents bitched about it nonstop.



Your pastor must have really fucking sucked. I feel like anyone into religion that is worth their weight could come up with a pretty good response to what is one of the most common arguments against religion. People like your 12 year old self go around asking it like it's fucking checkmate or something all the time.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19045598 - 10/28/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never really got into church. I can see some of the wisdom in Christianity and can vibe with it to an extent, but I find most Christians have a hard time accepting that my opinions are not the exact same as theirs.

That said, I've met some very nice people at dharma halls, meditation groups, and kirtans. I guess eastern spirituality is more my bag.

I can see how church could be cool though if it's the right kinda church.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19045647 - 10/28/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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haha church, what a laugh

"God is good people, let the lord in and he will save you."

So....what happened? why did he create evil? oops....



I don't believe or disbelieve in God, but if that's your most advanced rejection of the possibility of a god, then you're not trying very hard. I don't want to turn this into a theological discussion but if you want to be involved in such discussions and you want to take yourself seriously, you need to familiarize yourself with the arguments that already exist. The argument that denies the existence of God based on the so-called existence of evil has been addressed countless times by countless philosophers who are far more intelligent and more well-versed in both religious and atheistic literature than either you or me. Before Richard Dawkins, Anthony Flew was the world's foremost authority on atheist philosophy. He converted to Christianity in old age. If you want to engage in discussions about the existence of God at a much higher level than "well what about evil?" do yourself a favor and read "There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind".

I'm not saying it convinced me, and I'm not saying it will convince you. But I can easily see how God could exist despite the so-called existence of evil.

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I asked that question when I was like 12 and my pastor just looked at me dumbfounded and couldn't really answer.


It's unfortunate that you
A) had an ignorant pastor or
B) has a pastor who wasn't able to break down somewhat complicated arguments in a way that he believed a 12 year old could understand them





Who said I rejected the possibility of god? You're getting ahead of yourself here, there is nothing in my statement that says one way or the other. I'm talking about the notion that god is good. I've already said that if god exists he is everything good as much as he is everything bad. I really don't care what a philosopher has to say on the matter either, that doesn't prove or disprove anything either.

Also, I was 12 and nothing he could say would satisfy what I really wanted to hear. The point was that there was nothing that would satisfy my young self unless I heard it from the big man himself.... and that aint ever gonna happen.

Another point, talking to two people about prior psychedelic use is not the same as going up on stage and talking about how psychedelics influenced your spiritual awakening. I'm talking about how they would react to your usage, not some old timers who have an open mind. You are right, I have a conceived notion about how Christians act because I've been around them my whole life and in my opinion they are some of the most judgmental people I've met. History says the same thing too, those assholes have been waging war on people since the beginning.


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Re: I had a great time at church today! [Re: morrowasted]
    #19045874 - 10/28/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate church:peyotezen:



you aren't attending the right church, methinks. or you have a bad attitude




Or he didn't get that nonsense jammed through his soft spot when he was young.



Sounds to me like you've got a grudge. Did someone jam something into one of your soft spots at church when you were young? No such thing happened to me, so it's not hard for me to be happy, carefree, and open-minded. Sorry you got raped, if that is the case. It's really shitty that some people shame religion with such atrocities.

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In middle school me and my friends used to sneak into the church to smoke pot
It was a real "fuck you" to god



I used to snort cocaine and eat acid and smoke bowls at church as a teenager when I was forced to go. I haven't been to church under the influence in a while now, but I can't say I've never done it as an adult. I've gone to church on speed and painkillers a couple times.

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And God didn't even give a fuck.





About what? How do you know? How do you even know there is a God...? Never mind, I'm just talking about going to church, this isn't supposed to be a theological debate.




Nah, I can count the number of times I've been to church on two hands. My parents never raised me to be religious. Imo the bible and Christianity is just nonsense you have to teach kids when they are young or else no rational adult would believe it. Also, I wasn't raped. Not sure where that comment came from..

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