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The More I do Shrooms...
    #19039265 - 10/27/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the more of a nihilist i become
the more of the matrix i see
the more i see humans as poor and pathetic
waking up sucks.


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that will carry me away and permit no looking back.
But this moment of deliverance has not arrived,
and I have done nothing to hasten it.
Perhaps it doesn’t matter.
Perhaps I wasn’t meant to do anything.
In which case, I have succeeded admirably.



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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop] * 1
    #19039285 - 10/27/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thats how weed made me view life. Then I ate shrooms and realized, we are all warped by our perception. Everybody sees everything out of there own special pair of glasses. Yes it's a fucked up place, but thats what we got. The best thing we can do is do what we can to make it better instead of being selfish and self-centered.

As an individual, it may initially seem hard to put any hope into humanity since you have so little power, but making efforts to help those around you creates a satisfaction that money can never bring. Too bad most people are ignorant of this fact.

And I strongly believe what goes around comes around. I see it everyday, whether it be me or someone else. I personally believe in God but whatever you believe in, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Sacrifice just a little bit of what you have and you will receive something greater in return. Likewise, you will only suffer for selfish actions and end up with less then you were trying to gain through selfishness.

Life Is What You Make it


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: gman7104]
    #19039320 - 10/27/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah i try to do all that. I think i'm a good person, and I do my best not to cause any harm to anyone, and a very strong believer of karma. I'm just talking about the big picture; the general feeling of pointless and role-playing we are immersed in... shrooms make me see it more... they wake me up and sometimes i wish i had never awaken... people of faith and people who are so attached to their roles seem to functioning better, of course in relation to their mental state and level of awareness...


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: gman7104]
    #19039340 - 10/27/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm trying to grasp as well how to approach these things usefully. Of course they offer a great feeling of satisfaction. Honestly I haven't really felt anything like that before not even sex... (wow... sex on shrooms must be wild :O)

But I think I'm slowly stearing towards what gman is saying.

Peeling of the layers of fake in life is great and personally enlightening and rewarding, but gospelling it is like telling a group of kids eating lollipops that candy is bad for them.

One thing I have to agree with McKenna in is that culture is our enemy. Sure, I've had some great concerts, but in general, the media frenzy serves only to douse the masses... keep them from uprising.
Just look at old Rome. Gave the people games that lasted for months to wind down political instability.

So what to do? I think the best way might just be to silently enjoy the happiness that shrooms can offer you. Try to remember the first time... how happy and light you felt.
That's the feeling, that's what you want to sell to people.
But you shouldn't do it actively... you should just try to be that way, incorporate it into your life. Distance yourself from what is making you feel bad or hateful.

Much like action / reaction you can take a look at "the secret" and work from that. What you think of is what you get. Focus on politicians being corrupt ass holes that cause people harm and you'll suddenly surround yourself with unhappy people.
But if you focus on how great the trees look today, the rays of the sun, the innocent smile of a kid, then you'll suddenly get those things back. The kid will smile back at you, it's mother will smile as well, you toss a friendly remark and she gives one back and so.

That's the potential, that's what you COULD use shrooms for.

I don't think shrooms were meant as much to remove the fakeness of the world, as they are here to make you aware of the fakeness and make you act accordingly to it.

I spent way too much time posting political rants on Facebook... linking Ron Paul, anti-apartheid against Israel and so on... and slowly, people stopped paying attention to my posts, even some of my positive posts.

If you deal in negativity, you get negativity back. :smile:

So yes... acknowledge that the world is fake, that people are somewhat happily ignorant of it, and then help them and the world, by making yourself and the people around you happy. It could really be as little as holding the door for a strange, picking up the package that fell out of the grocery bag, giving a homeless person a sandwich instead of money and so.

That way, waking up could suddenly become a treat of good will and positive reactions.

Your life is indeed what YOU make it :smile: Make it a good one...


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039349 - 10/27/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The more I do them I realize there is no answer in the shrooms. The answer is within us already.

I find them therapeutic if not entertaining now.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039362 - 10/27/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I understand that. The world is depressing but its all because people are so deceived. It's all a result of our instincts and our innate behavior, which modifies our rational conscience behavior.

cigarette, cocaine or heroin addiction is a model of how money and power effects our brains. You take a line of heroin, you feel an intense rush of pleasure as a result of the increase in dopamine. That pleasure is what all humans are wired by nature to strive for in never satisfying amounts, so that we would be motivated to hunt for food and have sex. Dopamine is a thirst that can never be fully quenched.

Therefore, it manipulates large business owners into going to whatever lengths they can to make that extra dollar, even if it means deceiving or harming everyone else. The power of the dopamine craving is intense enough to remove our moral compass. Business owners know what catastrophic events they are causing just to get richer, but the drive for more money allows them to sleep at night with no guilt.


Yeah im tripping sorry for drawing this out but the only relevant fact is that we obviously can't change this fucked up place, but understanding it brings comfort, because it all makes perfect sense. The only way to be happy is to fulfill your purpose. Everyone has one, some follow it and some let it slip away because they got caught in the world's grasp


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: gman7104]
    #19039368 - 10/27/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's funny because I can sometimes notice myself struggling or bartering with my ego...

"Enlightened" me - I wanna quit all this joke working as a commercial photographer and become self-sufficient.

Ego-me - Yeah right, wont work, you're better off making easy money renting out your gear.

"Enlightened" me - Are you sure? Because I can see myself being really happy and pleasant rebuilding an old farm and sow vegetable fields and so on...

Ego-me - How will you support your family eh?

"Enlightened" me - How do you think you support them by spending time away from them to make money to pay off the loans......=

Ego-me - Ambitions mate... fame... today tin cans on white background... next week: IMDB.

"Enlightened" me - And what would that give me and my family?

Ego-me - .....ok, well maybe you can still do my thing at the same time? I mean... just a small barn with gear and so on???

"Enlightened" me - Shhh

Ego-me -  You know I'm right....

and so on and so on.


A constant battle waged between the natural notion of being a free spirit in a world of peers and the ambitions that culture has forced down over my head.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19039416 - 10/27/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

beforeIgetold said:
I'm trying to grasp as well how to approach these things usefully. Of course they offer a great feeling of satisfaction. Honestly I haven't really felt anything like that before not even sex... (wow... sex on shrooms must be wild :O)

But I think I'm slowly stearing towards what gman is saying.

Peeling of the layers of fake in life is great and personally enlightening and rewarding, but gospelling it is like telling a group of kids eating lollipops that candy is bad for them.

One thing I have to agree with McKenna in is that culture is our enemy. Sure, I've had some great concerts, but in general, the media frenzy serves only to douse the masses... keep them from uprising.
Just look at old Rome. Gave the people games that lasted for months to wind down political instability.

So what to do? I think the best way might just be to silently enjoy the happiness that shrooms can offer you. Try to remember the first time... how happy and light you felt.
That's the feeling, that's what you want to sell to people.
But you shouldn't do it actively... you should just try to be that way, incorporate it into your life. Distance yourself from what is making you feel bad or hateful.

Much like action / reaction you can take a look at "the secret" and work from that. What you think of is what you get. Focus on politicians being corrupt ass holes that cause people harm and you'll suddenly surround yourself with unhappy people.
But if you focus on how great the trees look today, the rays of the sun, the innocent smile of a kid, then you'll suddenly get those things back. The kid will smile back at you, it's mother will smile as well, you toss a friendly remark and she gives one back and so.

That's the potential, that's what you COULD use shrooms for.

I don't think shrooms were meant as much to remove the fakeness of the world, as they are here to make you aware of the fakeness and make you act accordingly to it.

I spent way too much time posting political rants on Facebook... linking Ron Paul, anti-apartheid against Israel and so on... and slowly, people stopped paying attention to my posts, even some of my positive posts.

If you deal in negativity, you get negativity back. :smile:

So yes... acknowledge that the world is fake, that people are somewhat happily ignorant of it, and then help them and the world, by making yourself and the people around you happy. It could really be as little as holding the door for a strange, picking up the package that fell out of the grocery bag, giving a homeless person a sandwich instead of money and so.

That way, waking up could suddenly become a treat of good will and positive reactions.

Your life is indeed what YOU make it :smile: Make it a good one...




thank you :smile:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: gman7104]
    #19039422 - 10/27/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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gman7104 said:
yeah I understand that. The world is depressing but its all because people are so deceived. It's all a result of our instincts and our innate behavior, which modifies our rational conscience behavior.

cigarette, cocaine or heroin addiction is a model of how money and power effects our brains. You take a line of heroin, you feel an intense rush of pleasure as a result of the increase in dopamine. That pleasure is what all humans are wired by nature to strive for in never satisfying amounts, so that we would be motivated to hunt for food and have sex. Dopamine is a thirst that can never be fully quenched.

Therefore, it manipulates large business owners into going to whatever lengths they can to make that extra dollar, even if it means deceiving or harming everyone else. The power of the dopamine craving is intense enough to remove our moral compass. Business owners know what catastrophic events they are causing just to get richer, but the drive for more money allows them to sleep at night with no guilt.


Yeah im tripping sorry for drawing this out but the only relevant fact is that we obviously can't change this fucked up place, but understanding it brings comfort, because it all makes perfect sense. The only way to be happy is to fulfill your purpose. Everyone has one, some follow it and some let it slip away because they got caught in the world's grasp





how can you define your purpose in a non-purposeful existence? im not a believer and i dont follow a religion. i know we came from somewhere but have no fucking clue what it is. how can i find a purpose, one with a strong conviction from my side?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039468 - 10/27/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I think you can learn to live well even with these observations.

That is waking up doesn't need to suck.

I think a lot of Buddhist monks probably think similarly. But they figure out ways to live well and wake up well.

Buddhist ideas essentially say that were all deluded fools, mistaking what is impermanent for permanent, not truly aware of death, mistaking what is unsatisfactory for what is satisfactory, and clinging to a permanent self when there really isn't one.

I'm not trying to spread Buddhism here, but just sharing some thoughts. Anyway, in Buddhism I think views are used (not everybody will agree). So I could have the view that humans are poor and pathetic, but if I do then I should be having it for a reason. Where is it taking me? If its making me depressed then it isn't the right view to have. But if its making me let go and be at peace then its the view I should have.

This relates to something I discovered while tripping. We can believe anything! If were not clinging to truth, then belief is a tool for the developing mind. It might be useful for me to believe in god, regardless of truth. If it produces a truth in change, then that is the truth I see, not the truth of words and ideas. Anyway, this is what I think.


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Confused2289]
    #19039579 - 10/27/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but who said the right view isn't depressing? who said that right have view has to be a happy one?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039623 - 10/27/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Apollop said:
Yeah i try to do all that. I think i'm a good person, and I do my best not to cause any harm to anyone, and a very strong believer of karma.



Quote:

Apollop said:
how can you define your purpose in a non-purposeful existence? im not a believer and i dont follow a religion.



See the contradiction?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19039662 - 10/27/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

life, is what you make of it.
the experience is the result..


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: bishlap]
    #19039675 - 10/27/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Confused2289 said:
Well I think you can learn to live well even with these observations.

That is waking up doesn't need to suck.

I think a lot of Buddhist monks probably think similarly. But they figure out ways to live well and wake up well.

Buddhist ideas essentially say that were all deluded fools, mistaking what is impermanent for permanent, not truly aware of death, mistaking what is unsatisfactory for what is satisfactory, and clinging to a permanent self when there really isn't one.

I'm not trying to spread Buddhism here, but just sharing some thoughts. Anyway, in Buddhism I think views are used (not everybody will agree). So I could have the view that humans are poor and pathetic, but if I do then I should be having it for a reason. Where is it taking me? If its making me depressed then it isn't the right view to have. But if its making me let go and be at peace then its the view I should have.

This relates to something I discovered while tripping. We can believe anything! If were not clinging to truth, then belief is a tool for the developing mind. It might be useful for me to believe in god, regardless of truth. If it produces a truth in change, then that is the truth I see, not the truth of words and ideas. Anyway, this is what I think.




Actually... Dalai Lama has often stated that he could sometimes meet a person that he would initially dislike, but since his is the view of being empathic and understanding, he would force himself to find something positive about that person, hence leading him back to positivity.
Also... imagine the strife that the tibethans had to endure during the chinese invasion. That takes a huge amount of self control, to maintain a clear and balanced head and attitude.

So work on finding positive things about people. Lamas example was that if the person he disliked had hair, then he would think to himself, that man has beautiful hair, I am bald...

Being humble and humility are not necessarily signs of weakness


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19039706 - 10/27/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like this thread
:popcorn:
Happiness for the win!

Shorty:peace:


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19039753 - 10/27/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Apollop said:
Yeah i try to do all that. I think i'm a good person, and I do my best not to cause any harm to anyone, and a very strong believer of karma.



Quote:

Apollop said:
how can you define your purpose in a non-purposeful existence? im not a believer and i dont follow a religion.



See the contradiction?




there is no purpose there, no? is that really a purpose?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039763 - 10/27/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You believe in karma but not really?


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: Apollop]
    #19039764 - 10/27/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This happened to me after I was getting heavy into psychedelic use. I started tripping, often on high doses and I thought I knew everything and that people were completely lost. I thought I had some "special knowledge" that others didn't. I would rant about hidden meanings in life and explain to people what God is, as if they were going to listen to burnt out psychonaut.

We'll I begun becoming "too" obsessed with tripping. It begun to consume my every thought. I started tripping on LSD once a week, with maybe an occasional 2 or 3 week break in between, but that wasn't usually the case. I didn't care, I'd do it at night while my family was home about to fall asleep, then when I wasn't tripping all I could think about were these "lessons" and "obtaining more knowledge".

What began happening was I started getting a heavy tolerance. And eventually I started losing faith in psychedelics. It started with this one night where I took 2 of these very strong hits that I had saved. I remembered how taking two of these the first time was an incredibly strong trip, so I knew that these should have got me VERY high. Well, once again, it let me down. I wouldn't trip. I mean, I wasn't "sober" but I was by no means in any sort of "experience". It was just dull, meaningless and quite honestly, boring. So I said, "fuck this, I want to trip". So I basically took the rest of my stash on top of what I'd already taken to try and compensate for tolerance. It equaled out to about 6 or 7 more hits of acid.

Worst part is, I still didn't trip, but I was still "high", and while the LSD wasn't making me trip out, I was able to feel, intensely the effect it was having on my mind. I had a tolerance to tripping, but that doesn't mean it isn't effecting me the same physically or mentally. My brain felt like jello and it occurred to me that I was lost. Once again, I wasn't tripping but not "sober" either. It was just free of any "magic" I once saw in it. While being high I just thought about all of this "searching" shit, and how it's all contrived and a recipe for disaster. Trying to find God through drugs, or even without drugs, I realized it was all bullshit. I realized that I have no right to believe that because "I" take psychedelic drugs that I live on some higher plane of existence and knowledge. That is just bullshit.

I remember being put into the complete opposite head space I once had. I was no longer worth shit. I thought back to the people I'd preach my bullshit to, and realize that I didn't know shit, I was just some burnt out loser coming off as a psychopath. I felt that I had, quite literally, lost my mind. I thought back to the innocence of myself as a child, and what I've become, as if I was some sort of enlightened being. Ha, yea right.

However, that was a wake up call in my life, and those feelings existed only out of feeling an extreme disgust in psychedelics and mostly for myself, for awhile. I took a good year break from LSD after this, and only tripped on Mushrooms twice in that year. I needed that break, I started feeling like I had dosed at some point or several points throughout every day. No, I don't mean I'd start "tripping" again, but I'd feel the way I did when I had dosed with a huge tolerance, it felt exactly like that, almost constantly. It sucked.

However, this was a bitter phase in my psychedelic life, and I think it's one that many have come to at some point. I've read many stories on here about going through the heavy psychedelic use phase and realizing less is more with psychedelics, at least as far as frequency of use goes. I for one, still love large doses, but I need that several month break in between now, to me, it isn't worth it to trip too often anymore.

Moral of the story? For me, it started with what you said, the beliefs, the knowledge, so on and so on. Then It became complete bitterness and nothingness. Now however, I have reached my comfort zone with using psychedelics, I enjoy the trippy "lessons" WHILE I'm tripping, but I don't become "consumed" by them in life otherwise. What I look for in psychedelics now isn't recreation though. I think the strong point of psychedelics is teaching you about YOU. You may feel connected to everything outside of you, but your mind is creating the experience. Psychedelics cause you to live in a reality completely manifested by "your" conscious mind. How you perceive something during a trip is not necessarily how others do. Eventually with all these beliefs, somebody's going to be disappointed. It becomes like Religion in many ways. I wouldn't say they hold knowledge about the meaning of life, as much as they magnify your thoughts and your mind to the extreme of looking through a microscope, and if you use it more to analyze who "you" are, I think more can be taken from them.

This is just my experience with them though, not everyone feels this way. Just my two cents. I don't say this as a way of lecturing anybody, I made the mistake in those days of abusing them, it just sucked so bad I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else. :hippie:


Edited by Peace of Mind 1 (10/27/13 09:05 AM)


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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: thormaxim]
    #19039767 - 10/27/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The more I do them I realize there is no answer in the shrooms. The answer is within us already.

I find them therapeutic if not entertaining now.




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Re: The More I do Shrooms... [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19039789 - 10/27/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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thormaxim said:
The more I do them I realize there is no answer in the shrooms. The answer is within us already.

I find them therapeutic if not entertaining now.



Quote:

liquidlounge said:
You believe in karma but not really?




oh. yeah i believe in karma. i believe that good energy yields good results. i believe in bad energy and the negative effects it can do to me. what i meant is that i dont believe in religion, afterlife, etc. i mean i dont know. i dont know anything.


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