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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666] * 1
    #19038277 - 10/26/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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joe666 said:
so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85%
so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?




Where did you get those statistics from and what do you consider "just fine?" According to stats, medical bills are the #1 reason for bankruptcy: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

It's pretty obvious healthcare was in need of a huge overhaul. First let's start with the fact that the people who need insurance the most are denied coverage due to "pre-existing conditions." Then, there are the people who have insurance but end up getting TOO sick and costs the insurance company so much money they decide to drop said person. (Usually these people have HIV or cancer). And part of the problem is the exorbitant cost of healthcare in the USA. $300 doctor's visit? $2,000 for an 8 minute ambulance ride? $65 to get your blood pressure taken in the ER? $800 for a month's worth of brand-name prescription drugs? Who the hell can afford to have medical problems without good insurance these days?

If your 85% figure is true, then I can only assume, that statistic is also including people who have no diseases or injuries, and have no need for healthcare. I'd like to see what percentage of people who ACTUALLY NEED AND USE HEALTHCARE are completely satisfied with how healthcare works in this country. That would be interesting to see, using figures from only people who actually legitimately need it and use it regularly.

Also, this thread is being covered in another section of the Pub: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19033272#19033272


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19038345 - 10/26/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php

85% have healthcare.  15% don't.

why fuck it up for the 85%
why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
    #19038397 - 10/26/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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joe666 said:
http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php

85% have healthcare.  15% don't.

why fuck it up for the 85%
why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?




That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars. Some people have insurance plans that don't cover specialists, or any type of surgery.

I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19038414 - 10/26/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

joe666 said:
http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php

85% have healthcare.  15% don't.

why fuck it up for the 85%
why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?




That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars.

I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?






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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19038482 - 10/26/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

why not try and act like we all understand politics and went to Harvard? why not? right? i mean, MURICA MURICA MURICA! yet... for working at any establishment except McDonalds or KFC... you need to go to college. :lol:

oh what wacky fun.


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19038489 - 10/26/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
why not try and act like we all understand politics and went to Harvard? why not? right? i mean, MURICA MURICA MURICA! yet... for working at any establishment except McDonalds or KFC... you need to go to college. :lol:

oh what wacky fun.




Are you talking to me? Because I have a degree in political science. :bored:


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19038500 - 10/26/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i was talking out loud, to no one in particular. sorta like a crazy person. my comment was mostly towards the great Conservationists of old school American might.


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19038797 - 10/26/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Notice: nobody here has an argument here that can be backed up by statistics to say Obamacare is already "raping" us.

psi, he won't answer your question, because he cannot without realizing that he is wrong.





have you not been reading the news?


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19038807 - 10/26/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

joe666 said:
http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php

85% have healthcare.  15% don't.

why fuck it up for the 85%
why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?




That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars. Some people have insurance plans that don't cover specialists, or any type of surgery.

I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?





who didnt have access to medical insurance. people with no money? how about
showing us in the law where obamacare provides insurance for the poor
people, if being able to afford care is having access to it, how about
showing us the free insurance that wasnt already there long before
obamacare was conceived


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19038867 - 10/27/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We already covered this in the other thread. Re-read the other thread in case you weren't paying attention.


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19038885 - 10/27/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't matter if Obamacare is raping the country.  Because, if you have to buy your own insurance without subsidy, or you are middle class and pay taxes, and are not 1) Poor or 2) a member of the elites who run the show, a priviledged group that isn't affected, a union, etc--then you get to pick up the tab for The Elitists, Unions, and the Poor. 

Obamacare provides a gallon jar of Ky-Jelly each april 15th to the people who are paying for it for everyone else.  :smirk:


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19038931 - 10/27/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like I just got raped ):


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19039955 - 10/27/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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Medicare advantage was paid for by the people who subscribed.  No government tit at all.





Um, what?

"Medicare pays a fixed amount for your care each month to the companies offering Medicare Advantage Plans. These companies must follow rules set by Medicare."



Medicare advantage.  Pay attention.  It is a supplement you buy from a private insurer so you aren't stuck with the shit coverage the government provides through Medicare plain.


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19040020 - 10/27/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

joe666 said:
so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85%
so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?




Where did you get those statistics from and what do you consider "just fine?" According to stats, medical bills are the #1 reason for bankruptcy: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148




So?
Quote:



It's pretty obvious healthcare was in need of a huge overhaul. First let's start with the fact that the people who need insurance the most are denied coverage due to "pre-existing conditions."




That isn't insurance.
Quote:

Then, there are the people who have insurance but end up getting TOO sick and costs the insurance company so much money they decide to drop said person.




They cannot do that as long as you pay your bills
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(Usually these people have HIV or cancer). And part of the problem is the exorbitant cost of healthcare in the USA. $300 doctor's visit? $2,000 for an 8 minute ambulance ride? $65 to get your blood pressure taken in the ER? $800 for a month's worth of brand-name prescription drugs? Who the hell can afford to have medical problems without good insurance these days?




You either pay at the provider or you pay at the insurance.  Somebody pays either way.  Why should a healthy person be forced to pay for a sick one?
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If your 85% figure is true, then I can only assume, that statistic is also including people who have no diseases or injuries, and have no need for healthcare. I'd like to see what percentage of people who ACTUALLY NEED AND USE HEALTHCARE are completely satisfied with how healthcare works in this country. That would be interesting to see, using figures from only people who actually legitimately need it and use it regularly.




I had two potentially fatal cancers.  In the UK the odds of surviving each were around 3 in 4.  That means that the odds of surviving both were 9 in 16.  In the US the odds for each are over 95%.  I even paid extra for an unaligned doctor.  I am extremely happy about the outcome.  I get to continue to educate youngsters on the Shroomery.

Two facts
Young people, as a demographic, are getting completely fucked by this.
If you act irresponsibly and fuck yourself up you should pay your own costs.  I'm talking directly to you.
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Also, this thread is being covered in another section of the Pub: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19033272#19033272




I'm sure there will be lots of threads


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19040105 - 10/27/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does the US have universal health care yet?

No...

I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
    #19040144 - 10/27/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Does the US have universal health care yet?

No...

I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question



What is universal health care?


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19040150 - 10/27/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Does the US have universal health care yet?

No...

I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question



What is universal health care?




It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19040161 - 10/27/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
We already covered this in the other thread. Re-read the other thread in case you weren't paying attention.





oh but we didnt, you kept posting shit from obama run sites and it's parrots,
not from the bill that was signed into law


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19040179 - 10/27/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
It doesn't matter if Obamacare is raping the country.  Because, if you have to buy your own insurance without subsidy, or you are middle class and pay taxes, and are not 1) Poor or 2) a member of the elites who run the show, a priviledged group that isn't affected, a union, etc--then you get to pick up the tab for The Elitists, Unions, and the Poor. 

Obamacare provides a gallon jar of Ky-Jelly each april 15th to the people who are paying for it for everyone else.  :smirk:





obamacare isnt paying for it for everyone else, they still have to buy their
insurance but they get a tax break at the end of the year


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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
    #19040231 - 10/27/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Does the US have universal health care yet?

No...

I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question



What is universal health care?




It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers




I didn't see the word insurance there so I'll ask again.  What is universal health care?  Given that very few people actually pay the vast majority of taxes how will government provided health care lower the cost of it for the actual tax payers?


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