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Pressure cooker confusion!!
    #19038864 - 10/27/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so I am trying to start some monos using FH's simple coir tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780

I also really would prefer to do g2g.

Do I absolutely need a pressure cooker to make this happen? I have a huge pot I have been sterilizing PF Jars in very large, I have prepped franks mix with this and pasteurized fruited with no contams, so I am not worried about the coco mix, but the grain jars do I need a pressure cooker?

Also if I do, do I need an All american? Is there anything less expensive that will work?


Lastly if I choose to do large in-vitro bags can I properly sterilize them without a PC, Would a standard pot with water work?

Thanks guys!


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: EarthBounded]
    #19038886 - 10/27/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would say UTFSE but that's a bit crass.

I guess you could do a little bit of research on here when asking if grains need to be sterilized. You should just spend some time doing searching before asking such elementary questions.

I spent about 4 months before diving into the hobby so that I was fairly confident that I knew what I was doing before wasting a ton of materials and time.

Constructive criticism is all I can offer you at this stage of the game.

Good luck and happy growing.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: bootster]
    #19038905 - 10/27/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been working my butt off with 100's+ hours of research and experimentation for 6 months and got shit on by spores 101 for $350 of syringes full of water.

I did research alternatives it seems hard to find an answer I thought popping a simple question up for a quick reply would help for my project tomorrow.

Your wasting time being rude others are helpful here and I love this site, if you don't have time to answer a question then exit out and move on.

I am on all other forums as well I know when proper research has or has not been done.

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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: bootster]
    #19038937 - 10/27/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You definitely do need a pressure cooker for whole grains. Do not even think about trying with your pf tek pot or you will just be wasting your time.

In whole grains what is called endospores can get inside the grain while it is growing. Endospores are a lot harder to kill and need very high heat of which only a PC can provide

You do not need an all american, I got mine at k-mart for pretty cheap. It just has a balancing weight on top that keeps the pressure at 15psi

Frank's takes are some good ones to follow, but whatever you do follow everything word for word. Do not cut any corners and use every thing it says to use. Do everything exactly the way it says. If you do that then you should have success


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19038947 - 10/27/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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got shit on by spores 101 for $350 of syringes full of water




How do you know it was just water? By looks or did you test it? A syringe could be clear and still have thousands of spores in it

That being said, in my experience sporeworks is the best shroomery sponsor and you can always see a bunch of spores in the solution

Also if you tell them you are a member here they will give you some free spores with your order, just dont mention growing, but you probably already know that . . .


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19038974 - 10/27/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You definitely do need a pressure cooker for whole grains. Do not even think about trying with your pf tek pot or you will just be wasting your time.

In whole grains what is called endospores can get inside the grain while it is growing. Endospores are a lot harder to kill and need very high heat of which only a PC can provide

You do not need an all american, I got mine at k-mart for pretty cheap. It just has a balancing weight on top that keeps the pressure at 15psi

Frank's takes are some good ones to follow, but whatever you do follow everything word for word. Do not cut any corners and use every thing it says to use. Do everything exactly the way it says. If you do that then you should have success





This is exactly what I need to know I will proceed to buying a PC tomorrow now I know what to buy thanks! How do you feel about using a still air box apposed to a flow hood, if I use sleeve's and gloves should I be good?



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got shit on by spores 101 for $350 of syringes full of water




How do you know it was just water? By looks or did you test it? A syringe could be clear and still have thousands of spores in it

That being said, in my experience sporeworks is the best shroomery sponsor and you can always see a bunch of spores in the solution

Also if you tell them you are a member here they will give you some free spores with your order, just dont mention growing, but you probably already know that . . .




Note I said spores 101, here is a good beginner story I have since learned and had good success, I purchased like 20 syringes from spores101 and we did 72 pf jars, we all watched RRs videos, had still air boxes and did everything perfect, we never had one sign of germination, we let the jars cool, we did everything RR said and read here as well, I had my first 72 jars rot never did anything, learned my best lesson yet. USE SPONSORS!. Now I was new but I had put in 50 hours of research before attempting this and we did it on several occasions, no way in hell there were spores in there and the dude is a major dick on the phone and he is the #1 hit on google.

Then I heard all this terrible stuff about them, one of the owners said the other has a drug problem etc... and they just send out B+ I got nothing but water, I still have some maybe I will look at them under a scope.

I have been using spore works ever since and I have had great success I just got ten syringes I always do the random deal where they are only ten bucks.

Take care thanks buddy


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: EarthBounded]
    #19038975 - 10/27/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Note I said spores 101




Lol I know thus why I suggested sporeworks




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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19044724 - 10/28/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Your wasting time being rude others are helpful here and I love this site, if you don't have time to answer a question then exit out and move on.

I am on all other forums as well I know when proper research has or has not been done."

Seems like you know everything about growing and then come here and dress me down for responding to a noob question? I just can't believe you come on here and ask such a noob question and try to help you by giving helpful advice.

"Do I need a Pressure Cooker to sterilize grains"?

Move on, nothing to see here.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: bootster]
    #19044754 - 10/28/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bootster said:
"Your wasting time being rude others are helpful here and I love this site, if you don't have time to answer a question then exit out and move on.

I am on all other forums as well I know when proper research has or has not been done."

Seems like you know everything about growing and then come here and dress me down for responding to a noob question? I just can't believe you come on here and ask such a noob question and try to help you by giving helpful advice.

"Do I need a Pressure Cooker to sterilize grains"?

Move on, nothing to see here.



  You really don't need to be such an asshole to just say (you can easily search this question, and yes grains need to be sterilized".  Also, all he said was he got screwed on spores and did his research to be pretty damn sure he did things correctly and it was not his fault there was no growth, it was no spores in the syringe.  Since spores can be seen with the naked eye (usually) this is a pretty good possibility along with doing 72 jars and not seeing a bit of anything would be reason enough for me to think I got screwed.

I did the same thing tho only with 80 bucks in syringes from some site I can't even remember.  Hell then again I recently got a bunch of mold contaminated PE syringes from a sponsor.  10 jars from 2 syringes, all 10 got yellow furry mold patches.  All 40 other jars of various strains, 100% ok.  It happens, don't shit on the guy saying he doesn't know what hes talking about saying whoreworks 101 gave him water syringes, which is likely, and regardless it doesn't take a myco expert to see that there are no spores in something particularly when nothing grows on 72 jars and they should be visible to the naked eye.  Mycology isn't all that difficult (not overly easy either), try to be less condescending because you can do it and others can't.

Also this is all not saying that he could not have messed something up, that is equally possible, but not seeing spores and 0 growth on that many jars leans to him getting screwed


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: bootster]
    #19044756 - 10/28/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid::rofl2:

op, imo, your the one being rude.  in response to a legitimate nudge in the right direction, you were in return, obtuse.

anyway, yes.  you most certainly need a pressure cooker to sterilize grains.  or you can look up the millions of posts that question that specific method, and usualy come up with ideas of boiling for 12 hours or i dont even know, cause i never make it past the post headline, anyway.  :cheers:


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19044759 - 10/28/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i misread things, I think the OP was being overy sensitive and booster was being overly a dick.  Just saying.  I didn't see the quotes booster used and thought he was calling the OP a dick for being rude.

EDIT:and yes I know spores can be invisible, just every syringe I have ever gotten looks like it is growing a tumor.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19044769 - 10/28/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

bootster said:
"Your wasting time being rude others are helpful here and I love this site, if you don't have time to answer a question then exit out and move on.

I am on all other forums as well I know when proper research has or has not been done."

Seems like you know everything about growing and then come here and dress me down for responding to a noob question? I just can't believe you come on here and ask such a noob question and try to help you by giving helpful advice.

"Do I need a Pressure Cooker to sterilize grains"?

Move on, nothing to see here.



  You really don't need to be such an asshole to just say (you can easily search this question, and yes grains need to be sterilized".  Also, all he said was he got screwed on spores and did his research to be pretty damn sure he did things correctly and it was not his fault there was no growth, it was no spores in the syringe.  Since spores can be seen with the naked eye (usually) this is a pretty good possibility along with doing 72 jars and not seeing a bit of anything would be reason enough for me to think I got screwed.

I did the same thing tho only with 80 bucks in syringes from some site I can't even remember.  Hell then again I recently got a bunch of mold contaminated PE syringes from a sponsor.  10 jars from 2 syringes, all 10 got yellow furry mold patches.  All 40 other jars of various strains, 100% ok.  It happens, don't shit on the guy saying he doesn't know what hes talking about saying whoreworks 101 gave him water syringes, which is likely, and regardless it doesn't take a myco expert to see that there are no spores in something particularly when nothing grows on 72 jars and they should be visible to the naked eye.  Mycology isn't all that difficult (not overly easy either), try to be less condescending because you can do it and others can't.

Also this is all not saying that he could not have messed something up, that is equally possible, but not seeing spores and 0 growth on that many jars leans to him getting screwed





hey guy.  reread the thread.  dude didnt mention shit about his spore dilema until after the fact.  the initial response from booster, pertained to his question about pressure cookers and grains, actualy.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19044771 - 10/28/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

MastaBlastar said:
Quote:

bootster said:
"Your wasting time being rude others are helpful here and I love this site, if you don't have time to answer a question then exit out and move on.

I am on all other forums as well I know when proper research has or has not been done."

Seems like you know everything about growing and then come here and dress me down for responding to a noob question? I just can't believe you come on here and ask such a noob question and try to help you by giving helpful advice.

"Do I need a Pressure Cooker to sterilize grains"?

Move on, nothing to see here.



  You really don't need to be such an asshole to just say (you can easily search this question, and yes grains need to be sterilized".  Also, all he said was he got screwed on spores and did his research to be pretty damn sure he did things correctly and it was not his fault there was no growth, it was no spores in the syringe.  Since spores can be seen with the naked eye (usually) this is a pretty good possibility along with doing 72 jars and not seeing a bit of anything would be reason enough for me to think I got screwed.

I did the same thing tho only with 80 bucks in syringes from some site I can't even remember.  Hell then again I recently got a bunch of mold contaminated PE syringes from a sponsor.  10 jars from 2 syringes, all 10 got yellow furry mold patches.  All 40 other jars of various strains, 100% ok.  It happens, don't shit on the guy saying he doesn't know what hes talking about saying whoreworks 101 gave him water syringes, which is likely, and regardless it doesn't take a myco expert to see that there are no spores in something particularly when nothing grows on 72 jars and they should be visible to the naked eye.  Mycology isn't all that difficult (not overly easy either), try to be less condescending because you can do it and others can't.

Also this is all not saying that he could not have messed something up, that is equally possible, but not seeing spores and 0 growth on that many jars leans to him getting screwed





hey guy.  reread the thread.  dude didnt mention shit about his spore dilema until after the fact.  the initial response from booster, pertained to his question about pressure cookers and grains, actualy.



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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19044775 - 10/28/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i misread things, I think the OP was being overy sensitive and booster was being overly a dick.  Just saying.  I didn't see the quotes booster used and thought he was calling the OP a dick for being rude.

EDIT:and yes I know spores can be invisible, just every syringe I have ever gotten looks like it is growing a tumor.





lets just agree to disagree then  :tongue:


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19044780 - 10/28/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

on that note, arent we not to be mentioning vendors in posts?


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19044784 - 10/28/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe everyone on here is overly sensitive as mycologists generally tend to be reclusive easily offended types, or maybe that's just the internet in general.  EITHER WAY, can't we all just get along?
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MastaBlastar said:
i misread things, I think the OP was being overy sensitive and booster was being overly a dick.  Just saying.  I didn't see the quotes booster used and thought he was calling the OP a dick for being rude.

EDIT:and yes I know spores can be invisible, just every syringe I have ever gotten looks like it is growing a tumor.





lets just agree to disagree then  :tongue:



Now I am just confused.  I said I misread it and you had said I misread it in a post after and we disagree?  Maybe I just think a lot of people here chew noobs out when, yeah, he shoulda used the search engine, but that's all you gotta say.  Cussing (or anything beyond the simple statement to use the SE and the simple response to his question) isn't required or helpful.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: bootster]
    #19044797 - 10/28/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SAB's are fine. NOT using a flow hood teaches a noob great sanitary/sterile habits. When you start growing like a boss and start doing agar work, and making master slants, and isolates THEN get a LFH.

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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19044814 - 10/28/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe everyone on here is overly sensitive as mycologists generally tend to be reclusive easily offended types, or maybe that's just the internet in general.  EITHER WAY, can't we all just get along?
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DeadPhan said:
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MastaBlastar said:
i misread things, I think the OP was being overy sensitive and booster was being overly a dick.  Just saying.  I didn't see the quotes booster used and thought he was calling the OP a dick for being rude.

EDIT:and yes I know spores can be invisible, just every syringe I have ever gotten looks like it is growing a tumor.





lets just agree to disagree then  :tongue:



Now I am just confused.  I said I misread it and you had said I misread it in a post after and we disagree?  Maybe I just think a lot of people here chew noobs out when, yeah, he shoulda used the search engine, but that's all you gotta say.  Cussing (or anything beyond the simple statement to use the SE and the simple response to his question) isn't required or helpful.




i was being silly.  no need to look to deep into it.  anyway, i missed your last post before i posted my last post before you posted your last post, and so on.  no worries mate!  :cheers:


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: EarthBounded]
    #19046362 - 10/28/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok to clear things up Yes I was wrong asking is G2G absolutely needed a PC, I have read all teks require one I guess I was just wondering if anyone got away without it, I am getting a PC, Thanks to the help from the kind people here.

Also keep in mind I had these two questions

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Also if I do, do I need an All american? Is there anything less expensive that will work?


Lastly if I choose to do large in-vitro bags can I properly sterilize them without a PC, Would a standard pot with water work?

Thanks guys!




So basically I was wondering if I could get something less expensive than all american or if bags of grains would sterilize in a pot by some chance. I am just trying to save money.

I do research all damn day but it feels good to ask question and get a more personal response, I dont blow up anyones messages boards, and this night in particular It was midnight and I had to go to my sisters house to start some mycology projects so I was just asking to save some times .

My bad.

Thanks to those who helped.

And whomever called me a dick you are completely wrong. I respect this board and all others and just want to share info we all know to better the community.


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Re: Pressure cooker confusion!! [Re: EarthBounded]
    #19046523 - 10/28/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You do not need an all american but they are awesome. Presto 23qt will work fine.

Yes you need a PC to work with large spawn bags. Pot with water(fractional sterilization) will not work.


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