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Leon76


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Truffle preservation
#19037884 - 10/26/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am wondering if I were to cover my fresh truffles in a thick layer of chocolate if this would help to keep them from rotting. I know they are not nuts, but they do resemble them in structure and chocolate covered nuts will last a long time. Anyone ever try this and how did it work out?
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fatchillin
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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Leon76]
#19037928 - 10/26/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i also would like to know this. i personally just froze mine while they were fresh, to thaw and put into tea / chocolate when the time was prime. When i dried mine, they lost tons of potency.
maybe chopping up the fruffle to a fine consitency then adding to chocolate? so there is more surface area of sclerotia to chocolate? idk lol.
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ipappnasei



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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: fatchillin]
#19037965 - 10/26/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh lol. best topic i read today. never expected someone come up with such an idea xD. if you try pls keep us updated.
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botanicalbishop


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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: ipappnasei]
#19040479 - 10/27/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can but store them in the fridge best to be eaten within a month. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/736237
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Leon76


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botanicalbishop said: You can but store them in the fridge best to be eaten within a month. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/736237
I am aware of that. That is only one way to preserve them. I am inquiring about another method. Many perishable items are covered in different substances to aid in taste as well as preservation. I happen to like the idea of having a big bowl of truffle m&m's that would last as long as the real thing. And they will last years.
-------------------- “I have absolutely no pleasure in the stimulants in which I sometimes so madly indulge. It has not been in the pursuit of pleasure that I have periled life and reputation and reason. It has been the desperate attempt to escape from torturing memories, from a sense of insupportable loneliness and a dread of some strange impending doom.” ― Edgar Allan Poe
Edited by Leon76 (10/27/13 04:14 PM)
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Leon76


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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Leon76] 1
#19049208 - 10/28/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- “I have absolutely no pleasure in the stimulants in which I sometimes so madly indulge. It has not been in the pursuit of pleasure that I have periled life and reputation and reason. It has been the desperate attempt to escape from torturing memories, from a sense of insupportable loneliness and a dread of some strange impending doom.” ― Edgar Allan Poe
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botanicalbishop


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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Leon76]
#19060798 - 10/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you don't dry them they will eventually rot. If you have your heart on having a bowl of truffles simply dry the stones and dip them in chocolate. Beware drying sclerotia reduces potency and makes them rock hard. Your likely to break a tooth trying to chew on a dry one. Oxidation is the enemy
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Violet



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Yeah you have to dry them, or refrigerate usually for less than 2 weeks. Don't put them into food without drying them. Yeah they become a bit tough when dry. It's best to powder them before use.
Here's my best suggestion - chocolate with toffee brickle. Melt chocolate, add course truffle grinds and toffee brickle (heath bar), divide by dose proportion...
As for the potency thing: No they don't really lose potency like that. They're simply a different ratio of water than mushrooms are. When truffles are fresh, they can be thought of as average 2 times the potency of common Cubensis. However, since they're 2/3 water instead of 9/10 like mushrooms, they don't have as much water weight to lose. So when they're dried they're only 2/3 as potent as the common Cubensis.
If you eat 2 grams of dried Cubensis, the equivalent should be about 9-10g of fresh truffles, equal to ~3g of dried truffles.
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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Violet]
#19062930 - 10/31/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm aware of the ratio between wet and fresh, I was simply stating that there is a potency loss. Most people who grind their sclerotia into a powder realize a month or two later that their chocolates are bunk. When you allow psilocybin to be exposed to light and air it degrades rather quickly, that was the statement. So chop the fresh stones and dry them, don't dry them and then grind them IME
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Violet



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Oh I see what you mean. I too chop them and dehyrate them a very short period, and it can only help. However I must point out that your statement about potency loss can only be known for sure as an opinion. I haven't stored any for such a long time, but I haven't noticed the kind of potency decline you mention, and don't see why it would be different for sclerotia than mushrooms. I have only noticed that jars harvested early are weak, dry or not.
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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Violet]
#19063924 - 10/31/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im talking about when you grind any active species into a powder IME the air or "something" tends to degrade the product faster that is all. I impulse seal all my goodies and then throw them in a beer fridge so this dosent happen, that is all Im trying to get at. Its not that hard to figure out what Im saying stop trying to twist my words, drugs are bad mmmkay
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Violet



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Don't make the mistake of thinking I didn't understand you. No need to be an asshole by calling me stupid. I have lots of experience with truffles, I do understand what you said, and I'm telling you in return that the effect you're mentioning is much more trivial than you're here saying for sooth.
If you're trying to tell me that your opinion on the matter of potency reduction is a fact, then I'll imitate our friend NotaHacker420 and say, "I await the evidence"
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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Violet]
#19064320 - 10/31/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was an opinion from the observations I've made, THAT IS ALL. we've lost touch of what the OP was asking. Violet I never called you stupid quit getting your panties in a bunch and stop dragging this out. I have nothing to prove nor do you, go smoke one and relax. God dam
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Eveniftheskyfalls
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Maybe you can cover them in chocolate then vacuum seal them in a vacuum seal bag. Theyll probably stay fresh for a while
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Queen of Kings
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There is another way of preserving them which I wouldn't have believed could work, but actually does. That is: harvest them and gently fan-dry them so they are just dry on the outside to to the touch. Then put them in a ziplock baggie in the refrigerator. That's it. Nothing else.
I harvested these stones from a one-year old jar in July.
I just pulled out the bag and checked on them and they look excellent; pretty much identical to when I put them in the fridge four months ago.
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Pastywhyte
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Hey Violet, how long does it take to dry sclerotia? Even though they have less water, does the denser tissue take longer to dry? I find with cubes drying time in my dehydrator can vary greatly depending on density of the fruit.
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Violet



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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19069114 - 11/01/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it definitely will vary as such. Now that I don't grow mushrooms on giant bulk subs they dry much more quickly in the dehydrator, all by 3-4 hours, even faster if I've left them to air dry (as I often do with some since I harvest gradually and dehydrate every few days) Truffles seem to dry just as quickly if not a bit moreso. The dense tissue doesn't seem to be a problem except for the larger stones just like the larger fruits. As said above, I chop the bigger stones down to size to make them more similar to the bunch, and they're usually all done in 3 hours or so!
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botanicalbishop said: Its not that hard to figure out what Im saying stop trying to twist my words, drugs are bad mmmkay
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botanicalbishop said: quit getting your panties in a bunch go smoke one and relax. God dam
You say all that, and YOU give ME the 0 rating and call ME a troll? You're here spreading personal anecdote about potency loss as fact, with no ratings and so few posts, and when I factually clarify an issue from experience, I'm the troll? Laughable. Enjoy your 0 rating in return, clown noob.
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Edited by Violet (11/01/13 10:43 AM)
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Leon76


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Re: Truffle preservation [Re: Violet]
#19078348 - 11/03/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I have to say that I got my truffle procedure from Violets tek, so thank you for that. It seems the question I am asking keeps getting answered without really being answered. Many types of substances are used to encapsulate food items to aid in preservation, high wax chocolate one of them. For instance, big blocks of cheese are usually dipped in melted wax that can keep the blocks preserved for years. Many candy companies add bakers wax to their chocolates to aid in preservation. The candy shell on m&m's is more than tasty, it is actually a way to aid in their shelf life. Have you ever seen a bag of expired m&m's? The candy coating encapsulates the chocolate inside, preventing spoilage. Since the truffle itself is usually quite hard, the consistency of nuts, I am thinking encapsulating them in chocolate with some bakers wax would keep them for much longer, possibly without the need for refrigeration. Has anyone ever tried this? If this is not possible can you please explain why? Do the hard nut like truffles rot? A home vacuum seal does not take out all the oxygen, where as a coating of chocolate would. If no one can give a good explanation or no one has tried this I will start an experiment to see if it works. This is what I would like to know.
-------------------- “I have absolutely no pleasure in the stimulants in which I sometimes so madly indulge. It has not been in the pursuit of pleasure that I have periled life and reputation and reason. It has been the desperate attempt to escape from torturing memories, from a sense of insupportable loneliness and a dread of some strange impending doom.” ― Edgar Allan Poe
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