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Heisenburn
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Ayahuasca or peyote?
#19037587 - 10/26/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, so I'm looking to have my first heavy visual and spiritual experience. Should I do DMT OR mescaline? I want to stick with peyote or ayahuasca. My wife will be doing this as well so with that said which one should we do first that is lighter and not gonna make us flip the fuck out?
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19037750 - 10/26/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca is not dmt it is the caapi vine. I would do mescaline. Then move up to dmt imho.
Never done Ayahuasca.
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I know that ayahuasca is a brew, the vine being an maoi inhibitor and the leaf containing the DMT. I just don't know which one to do first DMT or mescaline....
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19037831 - 10/26/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heisenburn said: Ok, so I'm looking to have my first heavy visual and spiritual experience. Should I do DMT OR mescaline? I want to stick with peyote or ayahuasca. My wife will be doing this as well so with that said which one should we do first that is lighter and not gonna make us flip the fuck out?
What is you and your wife's previous experience with psychedelics?
Do you actually have a way of getting peyote specifically?....That's pretty hard to come by unless you're in the right circles.
I highly suggest going with mescaline first. It doesn't sound like you quite know what you'll be getting your self into as far as ayahuasca goes. Have you dabbled with smoked DMT before?
In comparison to the other classic psychedelics, I'd say mescaline is the most gentle and easiest going psychedelic out there. With ayahuasca generally being at the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: openmind]
#19037962 - 10/26/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only real psychedelics we've done are cubes and pan cyan shrooms. You make mescaline sound good so I'll go ahead and go with that. As far as being in the right circle, you have to make your own circle then you won't need to go looking for one. I think you follow where this is going.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19037988 - 10/26/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca is something you don't wanna take lightly. If you can state clear intentions, and be ready to die to heal and learn, you're ok. If not, avoid.
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Heisenburn
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Yeah I've been reading for years on ayahuasca and it's pretty scary shit. I'll most def go with peyote for what I'm seeking. Is ayahuasca an inter dimensional trip? That's what I've been able to gather from all my reading about ayahuasca.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038043 - 10/26/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd go with san pedro cactus instead of peyote
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038055 - 10/26/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah T. bridgesii
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Heisenburn
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Yeah buts that's a lot more material to have to extract the mescaline from correct?
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038083 - 10/26/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well the cactus can be pretty big but it has a higher % of mescaline than peyote does
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038101 - 10/26/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh yeah and I agree with oeric, might as well go with bridgesii
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038129 - 10/26/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh my fucking God, another person who thinks there's ANY advantage to doing an extraction on cactus!! no one knows there's an easy way to straight up eat raw cactus!!
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I just want a simple sure fire way of a lot of visuals and a spiritual experience for my wife and I that is all natural that won't damage our psyches. I don't know ANYthing about this subject obviously why I'm here asking questions......... People on this forum are so fucking prude.
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MagicalOrangutan said: Oh my fucking God, another person who thinks there's ANY advantage to doing an extraction on cactus!! no one knows there's an easy way to straight up eat raw cactus!!
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038197 - 10/26/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please learn to write before you post something and look completely ignorant as well........ Your sentence should have been structured better so your argument had some validity to it, but it doesn't because your ignorance cancels out your little bit of intelligence that you do harbor in that pea sized fucking brain you swine.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038214 - 10/26/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't know what that guy's deal is. I couldn't really understand what he said anyway, lol
Check out some of the teks for prepping cactus and make your choice. Peyote would certainly be easier but I can't speak for it, never tried it. Boiling the cactus isn't difficult, just takes a while
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038230 - 10/26/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but that pressure had been building for some time from people like him on this forum. I guess a lot of people are still learning to read and write. It's ok, I remember when I was in 3rd grade. Anyways yes I will do whatever someone with knowledge in this subject suggests as long as it doesn't harm us. I am all about quality or quantity so fire way sir.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn] 1
#19038266 - 10/26/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude, chill out. What I meant was, just dry it out in a dehydrator, scissor it up into tiny pieces, and take a few spoonfuls of that shit and chug it with swigs of pop. Anyone telling you to boil or extract anything from cactus is an asshole.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038273 - 10/26/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heisen your being a bit of a prick, that guy wasnt being rude just suggesting you can eat the cactus instead of extract it and have an easier time doing it.
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Heisenburn
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Ok that is not what you said but I'll let ya cover your tracks. I'm sorry for being a prick but it's just really annoying when people don't speak clearly on what they mean. It happens soooooo much here it's like people are still tripping when they post a reply.
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Mescaline then aya.
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Yeah, the internet can't reveal your emotional perspective on anything directly, there's no nonverbal communication to go by. My perspective is that it sucks that most people don't know that raw cactus is the most effective and easiest to ingest of all natural forms of mescaline..if you take into account that extracts take time.
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Extraction does have its advantages though. Reducing the amount of cactus ingested is a lot easier on the stomach. And I'm not sure how mentioning extraction makes someone an asshole..
Like I said, just check out other people's experiences and decide for yourself what works for you
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor] 1
#19038353 - 10/26/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not any easier on the stomach in my experience..seems to have no advantages for me. Maybe some stomachs are way more sensitive to cactus material?I mean, mescaline itself is what causes nausea
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Yeah no doubt mescaline causes more problems than the cactus material
Drying it out sounds like a great idea, I've never seen that method
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038408 - 10/26/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ohh dude if you cram raw cactus with pop the way I keep describing thread after thread, it will blast your brains out with 1 foot of bridgesii.
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How is the taste? I would def do it with water, soda fills my stomach up too quickly
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038455 - 10/26/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you do it like i'm talking about there won't be any taste. That's why you can get it down so fast, like 5 minutes for a foot of raw cactus
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038474 - 10/26/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So how bad is the nausea? How is this trip going to be from beginning to end?
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038490 - 10/26/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That depends on your sensitivity. I don't know peyote tho, I just know bridgesii and San pedro. But lay back and close your eyes and your imagination will take your mind off the nausea
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038494 - 10/26/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I actually didn't experience any nausea really. But I rarely ever do in any event. You may vomit but that will just make you feel better haha
Its gonna be a long trip. Probably 10+ hours if you eat a foot of cactus
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Melkor]
#19038529 - 10/26/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you eat a foot of raw cactus like I describe, it will hit you hard and make the skies morph into shining luminous neon and form patterns and make your face morph onto a reptile in the mirror
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That sounds fucking awesome
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Perhaps the reptile you're seeing is your kundalini or you're inner most self?
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038646 - 10/26/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably. I wouldn't have admitted that if my who weren't permanently weakened by cactus
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19038786 - 10/26/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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*if my ego weren't permanently weakened by cactus..autocorrect is a dumbass lol
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The Aya is a more intense and is a real mindfuck, while peyote is the more longer lasting and visual psychedellic. Aya usually leaves you energized on the comedown, while mescaline leaves you with a nasty hangover. Both usually make you puke your guts out if you took enough to have a "spiritual" experience. As for freaking out, both tend to make you want to curl up in the fetal position and want your mother to cuddle you LOL.
Why not just take a hit of DMT that lasts only 15 minutes or so before jumping into a 8-36 hour commitment with aya or peyote respectively. If you can get peyote, you should do so and save it for a rainy day, as that't pretty hard to find.
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Mescaline doesn't leave me with a nasty hangover. I feel renewed
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Eywa_devotee said: The Aya is a more intense and is a real mindfuck, while peyote is the more longer lasting and visual psychedellic. Aya usually leaves you energized on the comedown, while mescaline leaves you with a nasty hangover. Both usually make you puke your guts out if you took enough to have a "spiritual" experience. As for freaking out, both tend to make you want to curl up in the fetal position and want your mother to cuddle you LOL.
Why not just take a hit of DMT that lasts only 15 minutes or so before jumping into a 8-36 hour commitment with aya or peyote respectively. If you can get peyote, you should do so and save it for a rainy day, as that't pretty hard to find.
I would do DMT if it weren't a crystal chemical
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19039496 - 10/27/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well they are very different types of teachers who will teach different things. Hard to give advice on such a thing. I would do as much research as you can about these plants and their active ingredients, read a lot of trip reports, and figure it out on your own.
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Yeah ok
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: Heisenburn]
#19041132 - 10/27/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: Why not just take a hit of DMT that lasts only 15 minutes or so before jumping into a 8-36 hour commitment with aya or peyote respectively. If you can get peyote, you should do so and save it for a rainy day, as that't pretty hard to find.
I would do DMT if it weren't a crystal chemical
What do you mean you won't do dmt because it's a "crystal chemical" ?
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: openmind]
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nicechrisman said: Well they are very different types of teachers who will teach different things. Hard to give advice on such a thing. I would do as much research as you can about these plants and their active ingredients, read a lot of trip reports, and figure it out on your own.
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Eywa_devotee said: Why not just take a hit of DMT that lasts only 15 minutes or so before jumping into a 8-36 hour commitment with aya or peyote respectively. If you can get peyote, you should do so and save it for a rainy day, as that't pretty hard to find.
I would do DMT if it weren't a crystal chemical
What do you mean you won't do dmt because it's a "crystal chemical" ?
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I agree nicechris
and yea what you talking about heisenburn lol
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Eat the peyote raw as you will lose many of the other alkaloids when extracting. Mescaline is not the only active ingredient in peyote and eating raw is the only way to take peyote. You can save on peyote and take pedro/bridgesii/torch with a few buttons rather than just peyote on its own.
EDIT: I fucked on the posting was meant for another thread. I THINK
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Modern shaman, is peyote really as visual as the cartoon in your sig implies? Lol
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I believe it is but I've yet to try it; maybe in a year or two I may try it.
Even high mescaline dose will be very visual. My field of view changed to a single hue and also saw rainbow/hologram at certain times on 18+ inches of non-pc pedro.
Something I will like to try in the future is Ayahuasca AND Peyote/Cactus. These are said to be a great combo. Ayahuasca is Grandmother and Peyote is Grandfather. You take Peyote/Cactus first due to the long come up then drink the Ayahuasca afterwords. It would be a crazy journey and very visual together.
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I had a dream about peyote last night. This thread just reminded me
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MagicalOrangutan said: Modern shaman, is peyote really as visual as the cartoon in your sig implies? Lol
You have to ingest quite a bit for it to get as visual as a high dose mushroom/aya experience. Im talking 8 fist sized adult buttons at least. Maybe 14-16 of the silver-dollar sized ones. I've had some powder from mexico that I sat and ate with a Huichole medicine man on the solstice last year. Could see intricate patterns of geometric lattices and grids that would undulate and change form whenever he sang. I had my eyes closed for a lot of the experience and kind of zoned out into a trance. With my eyes open things were pretty much recognizable except the fire was super bright and shot off tiny streaks of rainbow-colored beams as it flickered.
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
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OP, I think ayahuasca is best taken in a ceremony, not at home having no idea at all what to do. The awesome stories you hear are usually about ceremonies, not people just taking it at home.
In your place I'd take the Peyote first, then consider ayahuasca. With the Peyote, see if you can get informed about the way natives take it. The drums, the chanting, whatever they do sound-wise to go with it. No need to copy but at least get an idea of that. Much of it is in fact Peyote-inspired so it goes well with it.
Also to get a bit enthusiastic about the visuals of the mescaline, view some Huichol and Tepehuano art. Should give you an idea of what to expect
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Kiya_Star427
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modern.shaman said: Eat the peyote raw as you will lose many of the other alkaloids when extracting. Mescaline is not the only active ingredient in peyote and eating raw is the only way to take peyote. You can save on peyote and take pedro/bridgesii/torch with a few buttons rather than just peyote on its own.
EDIT: I fucked on the posting was meant for another thread. I THINK
how do you eat it raw? just take off the spikes, and use a potato peeler to take off the skin then eat it?
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modern.shaman said: Eat the peyote raw as you will lose many of the other alkaloids when extracting. Mescaline is not the only active ingredient in peyote and eating raw is the only way to take peyote. You can save on peyote and take pedro/bridgesii/torch with a few buttons rather than just peyote on its own.
EDIT: I fucked on the posting was meant for another thread. I THINK
how do you eat it raw? just take off the spikes, and use a potato peeler to take off the skin then eat it?
Peyote doesn't have spikes it has tufts of hair. You pick out the hairs and just chew it as is. Some people eat it with the hairs and all. Many people dry it and crush it into a powder then consume it raw that way. You can also puree fresh buttons in a blender and make "Holy Guacamole" .
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Re: Ayahuasca or peyote? [Re: ShroomDoom]
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drink the aya first and once the hard ass peak has settles a bit, then take the mescaline. just did myself saturday night and had soooooo many revelations and really achieved a supernatural type of motivation that hasnt left me yet. but be safe please. i do have lots of experience with psyches but if your meddlings around with aya and mesc then your on my level as well i would assume. just be safe and most importantly remember its all about YOUR SETTING!!!
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