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Is Obamacare raping the country?
#19037103 - 10/26/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think Obamacare is raping everyone?
Anyone here think it's a good thing?
From what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system. Maybe it will help some uninsured people though but overall Obama's going away gift to the country may rape a lot of people. 
Edited by skatealex2 (10/26/13 07:01 PM)
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: skatealex2] 4
#19037113 - 10/26/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037120 - 10/26/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037130 - 10/26/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:

It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.

Says the guy with mush for brains. Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains] 3
#19037142 - 10/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:

It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.

so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
oh, and it was a quality year before you registered here, while we're being personal douche nozzles.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#19037147 - 10/26/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama raped me.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord] 2
#19037159 - 10/26/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no right to discuss obamacare. Like everyone else who talks about it, I don't know shit. As far as I'm concerned the system needed reforming and this is where we're at.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: King Klick] 3
#19037175 - 10/26/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
So what about Obamacare do you figure is socialist/communist?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
#19037185 - 10/26/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
hark, a voice of reason
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037191 - 10/26/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
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JesusIsLord said: so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
In a nutshell, the PPACA is the furthest thing from socialism/communism as universal health care could be.
Besides that, you're a self proclaimed "Jesus freak," and you don't like socialism? Jesus was a fucking socialist.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
#19037197 - 10/26/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
Like I said, I don't know shit.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: psi]
#19037211 - 10/26/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psi said:
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
So what about Obamacare do you figure is socialist/communist?
well to clarify i guess i'd really say obama is a socialist/communist and his healthcare program is fascist. all branches of the same tree of bullshit.
fascism in that it compels under penalty of law people to purchase a commodity under some incredible stretch of the interstate commerce clause. that and i'm fairly certain it regulates how insurance companies operate so that none of them can really deviate from set prices and practices.
like i said at first, it kills incentive by removing competition. recipe for failure
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037224 - 10/26/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
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JesusIsLord said: so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
In a nutshell, the PPACA is the furthest thing from socialism/communism as universal health care could be.
Besides that, you're a self proclaimed "Jesus freak," and you don't like socialism? Jesus was a fucking socialist.
that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: King Klick]
#19037265 - 10/26/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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3/4ths of the new jobs created in the last year are less than 30 hours a week. I wonder why. The workforce now is as low (as a percentage) as it has been since women joined in large numbers. I wonder why. Millions of people have received notices that their health insurance is being discontinued, including me. I wonder why. Medicare Advantage carriers have kicked off thousands of doctors from their provider rolls. I wonder why. Premiums are soaring. I wonder why. Of the people in NY who have successfully gotten through the state website 2/3rds have enrolled in MEDICAID! Full tit. They pay nothing. I wonder why.
Oh this is going to work real well. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Healthy young males. Absolutely stump broke. Ask Pris what stump broke means.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037267 - 10/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
Well one effect it is having off the bat is that companies are cutting employers hours because of the mandate that sayis in 2015 businesses with over 50 full time employees must provide health coverage. So a lot of workers are gonna be cut right there.
A lot of people and studies are saying that Obamacare is causing insurance rates to go up for people who already have insurance in how much they pay for co-pays and insurance plans.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/17/study-obamacare-results-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037272 - 10/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JesusIsLord said:that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
First, http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/give-a-man-a-fish.html
Second. Jesus fed the poor for free. He healed the sick for free. He told people to care for one another.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19037275 - 10/26/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: 3/4ths of the new jobs created in the last year are less than 30 hours a week. I wonder why. The workforce now is as low (as a percentage) as it has been since women joined in large numbers. I wonder why. Millions of people have received notices that their health insurance is being discontinued, including me. I wonder why. Medicare Advantage carriers have kicked off thousands of doctors from their provider rolls. I wonder why. Premiums are soaring. I wonder why. Of the people in NY who have successfully gotten through the state website 2/3rds have enrolled in MEDICAID! Full tit. They pay nothing. I wonder why.
Oh this is going to work real well. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Healthy young males. Absolutely stump broke. Ask Pris what stump broke means.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/myth-obamacare-causing-part-time-135441398.html
According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.
This was one hopeful nugget in an otherwise lackluster jobs report.
Workers are considered to be "part time" if they work under 35 hours a week.
Earlier this summer, when part-time numbers looked like they might be on the rise, some speculated that the shift was due to the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act.
Under Obamacare, employers will be required to offer health insurance or face penalties (the White House recently announced it will delay enforcement until 2015). Some companies have said they will reduce their full-time staff to below the 50-employee threshold as a result, or simply shave back full-timers' hours.
"If the health law were driving employers to cut employees’ hours, the most vulnerable workers would likely be those working just above the 30-hour cutoff," writes the Wall Street Journal's Ben Casselman. "That means the data would show a decline in those working 30 to 34 hours and an increase in those working less than 30 hours." He explains:
That isn’t what’s happening. The share of part-timers who say they usually work between 30 and 34 hours at their main job has been roughly flat over the past three years, at about 28%. (September data aren’t yet available.) If anything, it’s actually risen in the past year, though the change has been minor. The share working just under 30 hours has indeed risen somewhat, but the share working under 25 hours has fallen—suggesting that employers are giving part-timers more hours, rather than cutting full-timers’ hours back.
Put another way: If the Labor Department used the same definition of “part-time” as the health law, its data would show no increase in part-time work over the past year.
Check out the chart showing that part-time workers as a share of total workers has, if anything, actually gone down.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037301 - 10/26/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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here come the idiots.
"omg everything worked fine! except when everyone noted that it wasn't working fine, but to me it did, and i can say it's true and it's true for me! so fuck you!1 WAH WAH wAH~!~!"
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
hark, a voice of reason
hark, a parrot!1
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JesusIsLord said: this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
sorry, but twisting facts, is not what he's doing here.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037341 - 10/26/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually checked the link Yahoo gave.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) was unchanged at 7.9 million in September.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#19037365 - 10/26/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: here come the idiots.
"omg everything worked fine! except when everyone noted that it wasn't working fine, but to me it did, and i can say it's true and it's true for me! so fuck you!1 WAH WAH wAH~!~!"
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
hark, a voice of reason
hark, a parrot!1
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JesusIsLord said: this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
sorry, but twisting facts, is not what he's doing here. 
true, true
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037366 - 10/26/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JesusIsLord said:
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Mush4Brains said:
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
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JesusIsLord said: so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
In a nutshell, the PPACA is the furthest thing from socialism/communism as universal health care could be.
Besides that, you're a self proclaimed "Jesus freak," and you don't like socialism? Jesus was a fucking socialist.
that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
Jesus was most definitely a communist.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037390 - 10/26/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JesusIsLord said:that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
First, http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/give-a-man-a-fish.html
Second. Jesus fed the poor for free. He healed the sick for free. He told people to care for one another.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
So your retort is to post a link for the literal translation? What, can't handle someone paraphrasing the same thing 
Giving to the poor is not socialism. Giving to the poor can occur in any economic model.
However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Try again
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: King Klick]
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gotta love the media getting people behind stories and "facts", that are suited to their political backing, and solely to create conflict instead of any actual consensus of real factual truths.
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However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
you realize what Authority means, right? you might wanna, you know... take up this discussion with all American people. considering you're all under the same fucking federally maintained roof. just sayin'.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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JesusIsLord said:that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
First, http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/give-a-man-a-fish.html
Second. Jesus fed the poor for free. He healed the sick for free. He told people to care for one another.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
jesus wasnt the government demanding a tribute at the point of a sword to distribute amongst those that he deemed worthy such as the wealthy corporations, jesus asked people to give and gave himself.
he suggested people sell their stuff to buy swords and had his gang steal a donkey
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said: However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19037425 - 10/26/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no one is at swords length of anything. you know, with this kinda rhetoric, you might as well be Muslim.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19037426 - 10/26/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I actually checked the link Yahoo gave.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) was unchanged at 7.9 million in September.
And? That means that the changes happened in non-economic part time sector which is defined as "Refers to persons who usually work part time for noneconomic reasons such as childcare problems, family or personal obligations, school or training, retirement or Social Security limits on earnings, and other reasons."
So economic part time stayed the same. Non-economic part time dropped. Full time employment increased.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: gotta love the media getting people behind stories and "facts", that are suited to their political backing, and solely to create conflict instead of any actual consensus of real factual truths.
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However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
you realize what Authority means, right? you might wanna, you know... take up this discussion with all American people. considering you're all under the same fucking federal maintained roof. just sayin'.
go on.
i know bout authorita
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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it's not theft, if the authority says it isn't. you all in America had it collectively voted in. deal with it. or find a new proclamation of authority.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: psi]
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JesusIsLord said: However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
really? i mean, really?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said: However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
really? i mean, really?
Yes, really. What did he mean?
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Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
I don't think the Romans had welfare
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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They certainly did have taxes though.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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JesusIsLord said: However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
I don't think the Romans had welfare
they fed christians to lions that they housed for free, close enough
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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JesusIsLord said: However, having someone in authority taking something you earned, involuntarily, and giving it to someone else, is what's known as theft.
Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
I don't think the Romans had welfare
THANK you.
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Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
I don't think the Romans had welfare
they fed christians to lions that they housed for free, close enough
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Taxation is theft? Then what did Jesus mean by "give to Caesar what is Caesar's?"
I don't think the Romans had welfare
THANK you. 
You never answered my question though. Did Jesus believe that taking money through taxation was theft? And if he did, what did he mean by "give to Caesar what is Ceasar's?"
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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Notice: nobody here has an argument here that can be backed up by statistics to say Obamacare is already "raping" us.
psi, he won't answer your question, because he cannot without realizing that he is wrong.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: psi]
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You never answered my question though. Did Jesus believe that taking money through taxation was theft? And if he did, what did he mean by "give to Caesar what is Ceasar's?"
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You never answered my question though. Did Jesus believe that taking money through taxation was theft? And if he did, what did he mean by "give to Caesar what is Ceasar's?"
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So you've got nothing.
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You never answered my question though. Did Jesus believe that taking money through taxation was theft? And if he did, what did he mean by "give to Caesar what is Ceasar's?"
strawman argument 
How is it a strawman argument? I'm not attributing any argument to you, I'm asking what you think Jesus believed.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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What question are you referring to? I did not know Jesus and nothing in the bible was written by him and only appeared many many years later.
I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: psi]
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Ah nevermind it's tu quoquo. I'm not answering you because that's not relevant to the topic in addition to the answer being completely self evident.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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you know, Obama Hitler is really what America needs. he just needs to stop trying to be a nice guy and start shackling and murdering and throwing away the bodies of people whom are hogging up all of your intentions, of wealth and health, and just you know... put it out there.
America is not free! say it loud and proud!
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
assuming you aren't replying to me, zap
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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yikes. see, you guys have a crisis.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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You mean Reagan phones?
Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?
A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: skatealex2]
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This forced government healthcare is fucking bullshit. All it does is fucks over people.
My best friend was paying ~$120 a month for his healthcare (through his job) and had pretty premium coverage. He got a letter in the mail a few weeks ago saying his plan did not "qualify" for the new obamacare bullshit, and as such his premium was being raised to $260 a month. He has no choice in the matter. It's either that, or sign up for obamacare's overpriced bullshit.
My girl owns her own business and had her own private insurance and got a similar letter. Saying she had to find a different plan, or pay the ridiculous fucking fine, or sign up for obamacare.
I have TOP NOTCH health care through my job that is completely paid for by the company.... But I'm just waiting to get fucked over on that too.
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT. I didn't vote for this shit.. no one did.
Affordable care act my ass. More like ridiculously overpriced bullshit to fuck over the middle class and fine anyone that doesn't comply. It fucks over people who ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
Fucking cocksucker Obama
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
assuming you aren't replying to me, zap 
Yeah. I got lost in a page jump. I assume anybody reading the thread can figure it out
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: you know, Obama Hitler is really what America needs. he just needs to stop trying to be a nice guy and start shackling and murdering and throwing away the bodies of people whom are hogging up all of your intentions, of wealth and health, and just you know... put it out there.
America is not free! say it loud and proud!
Akira is entering a new dimension. There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19037624 - 10/26/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What question are you referring to? I did not know Jesus and nothing in the bible was written by him and only appeared many many years later.
I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
That's because Medicare Advantage is an extremely wasteful program.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
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JesusIsLord said: Ah nevermind it's tu quoquo. I'm not answering you because that's not relevant to the topic in addition to the answer being completely self evident. 
OK, no problem, I won't hold it against you if you're not willing to articulate how your views on this matter relate to Jesus's teachings. As you say it is off-topic for this discussion (sort of.)
IMO Jesus was obviously not opposed to taxation, or to giving money to the poor voluntarily. I don't personally believe he would change his position on taxation to "it's theft" if some of that money was given to the poor. Who knows though, I didn't know the guy.
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I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
assuming you aren't replying to me, zap 
Yeah. I got lost in a page jump. I assume anybody reading the thread can figure it out
You would think. But I wouldn't make too many assumptions at this point
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
That's because Medicare Advantage is an extremely wasteful program.
Medicare advantage was paid for by the people who subscribed. No government tit at all. Whatever was wasteful about it was the subscribers' problem and none of your business. Thousands and thousands of people who have to switch doctors. So much for "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
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I believe I provided the employment statistics regarding part time work and low workforce participation rates. 100% of me is going to lose his health insurance along with several million others come the new year. Thousands of doctors have been kicked of the Medicare advantage provider list.
Just stop.
assuming you aren't replying to me, zap 
Yeah. I got lost in a page jump. I assume anybody reading the thread can figure it out
You would think. But I wouldn't make too many assumptions at this point 
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: This forced government healthcare is fucking bullshit. All it does is fucks over people.
My best friend was paying ~$120 a month for his healthcare (through his job) and had pretty premium coverage. He got a letter in the mail a few weeks ago saying his plan did not "qualify" for the new obamacare bullshit, and as such his premium was being raised to $260 a month. He has no choice in the matter. It's either that, or sign up for obamacare's overpriced bullshit.
My girl owns her own business and had her own private insurance and got a similar letter. Saying she had to find a different plan, or pay the ridiculous fucking fine, or sign up for obamacare.
I have TOP NOTCH health care through my job that is completely paid for by the company.... But I'm just waiting to get fucked over on that too.
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT. I didn't vote for this shit.. no one did.
Affordable care act my ass. More like ridiculously overpriced bullshit to fuck over the middle class and fine anyone that doesn't comply. It fucks over people who ALREADY HAVE INSURANCE.
Fucking cocksucker Obama
i do believe there are lots of people in America, that would disagree with you. so hence, deal with it, until Obama's iron fisted reign is over. you or anyone else complaining isn't going to change the facts of the matter. it's happening. it sucks for some people, and helps others who are in need. no matter how you argue it... whether you don't think they deserve it or not; it's for THOSE people, and it was voted in legitimately.
legitimate, unless your countrymen's system of politics, of course, needs an entire overhaul of how it's run. but you could have said that from the very beginning of it's inception. 
it's how your system works... mistakes might happen, but you have to wait until those who voted and won, get their due. that's how it works.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Medicare advantage was paid for by the people who subscribed. No government tit at all.
Um, what?
"Medicare pays a fixed amount for your care each month to the companies offering Medicare Advantage Plans. These companies must follow rules set by Medicare."
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
Where did you get those statistics from and what do you consider "just fine?" According to stats, medical bills are the #1 reason for bankruptcy: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
It's pretty obvious healthcare was in need of a huge overhaul. First let's start with the fact that the people who need insurance the most are denied coverage due to "pre-existing conditions." Then, there are the people who have insurance but end up getting TOO sick and costs the insurance company so much money they decide to drop said person. (Usually these people have HIV or cancer). And part of the problem is the exorbitant cost of healthcare in the USA. $300 doctor's visit? $2,000 for an 8 minute ambulance ride? $65 to get your blood pressure taken in the ER? $800 for a month's worth of brand-name prescription drugs? Who the hell can afford to have medical problems without good insurance these days?
If your 85% figure is true, then I can only assume, that statistic is also including people who have no diseases or injuries, and have no need for healthcare. I'd like to see what percentage of people who ACTUALLY NEED AND USE HEALTHCARE are completely satisfied with how healthcare works in this country. That would be interesting to see, using figures from only people who actually legitimately need it and use it regularly.
Also, this thread is being covered in another section of the Pub: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19033272#19033272
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php
85% have healthcare. 15% don't.
why fuck it up for the 85% why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said: http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php
85% have healthcare. 15% don't.
why fuck it up for the 85% why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?
That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars. Some people have insurance plans that don't cover specialists, or any type of surgery.
I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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85% have healthcare. 15% don't.
why fuck it up for the 85% why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?
That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars.
I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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why not try and act like we all understand politics and went to Harvard? why not? right? i mean, MURICA MURICA MURICA! yet... for working at any establishment except McDonalds or KFC... you need to go to college. 
oh what wacky fun.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: why not try and act like we all understand politics and went to Harvard? why not? right? i mean, MURICA MURICA MURICA! yet... for working at any establishment except McDonalds or KFC... you need to go to college. 
oh what wacky fun.
Are you talking to me? Because I have a degree in political science.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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i was talking out loud, to no one in particular. sorta like a crazy person. my comment was mostly towards the great Conservationists of old school American might.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Notice: nobody here has an argument here that can be backed up by statistics to say Obamacare is already "raping" us.
psi, he won't answer your question, because he cannot without realizing that he is wrong.
have you not been reading the news?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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joe666 said: http://obamacarefacts.com/howdoes-obamacare-work.php
85% have healthcare. 15% don't.
why fuck it up for the 85% why not just come up with a plan for the 15% that doesn't involve the 85%?
That's not what you said earlier. You said that it worked just FINE for 85%. Having insurance does not mean that it works "fine" for everybody, or that everybody is satisfied with what they have. Some people have insurance plans that only cover emergency room visits. Some people only have insurance plans that don't cover brand-name medication. Some people have insurance plans that have an outrageously high deductible, one that costs in the thousands and thousands of dollars. Some people have insurance plans that don't cover specialists, or any type of surgery.
I also think it's pretty interesting that according to you, having access to medical insurance means that they are doing fine. It should be noted that 15% of people in your pie chart are on Medicare and another 15% are on Medicaid. In case you weren't aware, these are socialized health programs. If you are against socialized medicine, shouldn't those 30% be excluded from the 85% that have healthcare plans that work "just fine" for them?
who didnt have access to medical insurance. people with no money? how about showing us in the law where obamacare provides insurance for the poor people, if being able to afford care is having access to it, how about showing us the free insurance that wasnt already there long before obamacare was conceived
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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We already covered this in the other thread. Re-read the other thread in case you weren't paying attention.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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It doesn't matter if Obamacare is raping the country. Because, if you have to buy your own insurance without subsidy, or you are middle class and pay taxes, and are not 1) Poor or 2) a member of the elites who run the show, a priviledged group that isn't affected, a union, etc--then you get to pick up the tab for The Elitists, Unions, and the Poor.
Obamacare provides a gallon jar of Ky-Jelly each april 15th to the people who are paying for it for everyone else.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Medicare advantage was paid for by the people who subscribed. No government tit at all.
Um, what?
"Medicare pays a fixed amount for your care each month to the companies offering Medicare Advantage Plans. These companies must follow rules set by Medicare."
Medicare advantage. Pay attention. It is a supplement you buy from a private insurer so you aren't stuck with the shit coverage the government provides through Medicare plain.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
Where did you get those statistics from and what do you consider "just fine?" According to stats, medical bills are the #1 reason for bankruptcy: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
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It's pretty obvious healthcare was in need of a huge overhaul. First let's start with the fact that the people who need insurance the most are denied coverage due to "pre-existing conditions."
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Then, there are the people who have insurance but end up getting TOO sick and costs the insurance company so much money they decide to drop said person.
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(Usually these people have HIV or cancer). And part of the problem is the exorbitant cost of healthcare in the USA. $300 doctor's visit? $2,000 for an 8 minute ambulance ride? $65 to get your blood pressure taken in the ER? $800 for a month's worth of brand-name prescription drugs? Who the hell can afford to have medical problems without good insurance these days?
You either pay at the provider or you pay at the insurance. Somebody pays either way. Why should a healthy person be forced to pay for a sick one?Quote:
If your 85% figure is true, then I can only assume, that statistic is also including people who have no diseases or injuries, and have no need for healthcare. I'd like to see what percentage of people who ACTUALLY NEED AND USE HEALTHCARE are completely satisfied with how healthcare works in this country. That would be interesting to see, using figures from only people who actually legitimately need it and use it regularly.
I had two potentially fatal cancers. In the UK the odds of surviving each were around 3 in 4. That means that the odds of surviving both were 9 in 16. In the US the odds for each are over 95%. I even paid extra for an unaligned doctor. I am extremely happy about the outcome. I get to continue to educate youngsters on the Shroomery.
Two facts Young people, as a demographic, are getting completely fucked by this. If you act irresponsibly and fuck yourself up you should pay your own costs. I'm talking directly to you.Quote:
Also, this thread is being covered in another section of the Pub: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19033272#19033272
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Does the US have universal health care yet?
No...
I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
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No...
I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question
What is universal health care?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Patlal said: Does the US have universal health care yet?
No...
I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question
What is universal health care?
It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
#19040161 - 10/27/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh but we didnt, you kept posting shit from obama run sites and it's parrots, not from the bill that was signed into law
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starfire_xes said: It doesn't matter if Obamacare is raping the country. Because, if you have to buy your own insurance without subsidy, or you are middle class and pay taxes, and are not 1) Poor or 2) a member of the elites who run the show, a priviledged group that isn't affected, a union, etc--then you get to pick up the tab for The Elitists, Unions, and the Poor.
Obamacare provides a gallon jar of Ky-Jelly each april 15th to the people who are paying for it for everyone else. 
obamacare isnt paying for it for everyone else, they still have to buy their insurance but they get a tax break at the end of the year
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Does the US have universal health care yet?
No...
I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question
What is universal health care?
It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
I didn't see the word insurance there so I'll ask again. What is universal health care? Given that very few people actually pay the vast majority of taxes how will government provided health care lower the cost of it for the actual tax payers?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Well, I use a big hospital here in SD, they do everything. If you go for a procedure and can't pay, they direct you to an office they have. This office then checks your income, etc, and finds what benefits you actually have (VA, Medicaid, etc, depending on situation) and also has multiple sources of funding for certain levels of illness, i.e. grants, foundations, etc. In any event they set up a plan of some kind so you can get premium care. You might still have to pay a lot but everyone who needs the treatment gets it.
Same way with drugs--most expensive drugs have programs for people that can't afford them IF THEY ARE NECESSARY.
Most private doctors will charge a person what they can afford--if it is legal to do so in that state. You have to be upfront about it. If you go for a visit and stiff them well they don't like that.
And NO emergency room will ever turn anyone away--you still had to pay for minor stuff.
But now I'm sure all these programs that helped people who really need it will go away because we have the big ole sloppy government teat hanging out there to suck on.
People overuse their insurance so much now for the most minor things--that is one of the prime reasons it is expensive--that and liability. Also endless reams of government intrusion/regulation have made the proliferation of healthcare much more expensive.
That is, the things that cause medical care to be expensive are NOT addressed in Obamacare--it is a cluster fuck of regulation and meddling that is guaranteed to drive prices through the roof.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Patlal said: Does the US have universal health care yet?
No...
I'll come back in 10 years and ask the same question
What is universal health care?
It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
I didn't see the word insurance there so I'll ask again. What is universal health care? Given that very few people actually pay the vast majority of taxes how will government provided health care lower the cost of it for the actual tax payers?
Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
Few people pay the vast majority of the taxes: Yep, that what the people have decided long ago by electing officials that then implement this type of system. That's how it works.
How to provide health care at a lower cost: I don't why, there are probably thousands of minor details that end up making a big difference, the numbers show that US health care costs your government a lot more than the countries who have implemented universal health care. Since your health care system is extremely different than the other system modern country use, I can safely assume that its not us that have cheaper health care cost, its you guys that have a more expensive system, which makes sense, it's a private for profit industry. Every middle man wants their cut
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It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
I didn't see the word insurance there so I'll ask again. What is universal health care? Given that very few people actually pay the vast majority of taxes how will government provided health care lower the cost of it for the actual tax payers?
Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
Almost every? How come there are so many medical tourists from Canoodia in the US? Must be working real well.Quote:
Few people pay the vast majority of the taxes: Yep, that what the people have decided long ago by electing officials that then implement this type of system. That's how it works.
Yes I know. Please tell me how providing health care to millions of non-taxpayers will save tax payers money. Thanks in advance.Quote:
How to provide health care at a lower cost: I don't why, there are probably thousands of minor details that end up making a big difference, the numbers show that US health care costs your government a lot more than the countries who have implemented universal health care. Since your health care system is extremely different than the other system modern country use, I can safely assume that its not us that have cheaper health care cost, its you guys that have a more expensive system, which makes sense, it's a private for profit industry. Every middle man wants their cut
Part of the reason your country has lower healthcare costs is because the US government subsidizes medical research that you thus do not pay for receiving the benefits of. Same goes for drugs. Do not your health care bureaucrats get paid, i.e. make a profit? Are not bureaucrats middle men?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Almost every? How come there are so many medical tourists from Canoodia in the US? Must be working real well.
Yeah almost every, there's always a crack here in there in every system. Canoodians go to the US because you can get faster treatment if you have the cash for it. here's been a lot of political talk about creating a two gear system that would create for profit hospital to those who can afford it. It would heal more people and reduce the waiting line in the public sector. But since its a political shitstorm, the canadian gvmt doesnt do it. People are afraid that our system would become like the US, which is false, but people scare easy
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Yes I know. Please tell me how providing health care to millions of non-taxpayers will save tax payers money. Thanks in advance.
It's called your duty as a citizen. It's a question of morals. Keeping people healthy is better for everyone. Kinda like the military moto, no man left behind.
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Part of the reason your country has lower healthcare costs is because the US government subsidizes medical research that you thus do not pay for receiving the benefits of. Same goes for drugs. Do not your health care bureaucrats get paid, i.e. make a profit? Are not bureaucrats middle men?
Medical research is a worldwide thing. But yes, since you have a bigger population, you probably have more researchers. I have no idea how much every country contriubtes to medical research, good point.
Employees are employees, they get their paychecks and thats it. In the private system there's a boss that wants to make a profit on top of paying its employees.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
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Almost every? How come there are so many medical tourists from Canoodia in the US? Must be working real well.
Yeah almost every, there's always a crack here in there in every system. Canoodians go to the US because you can get faster treatment if you have the cash for it. here's been a lot of political talk about creating a two gear system that would create for profit hospital to those who can afford it. It would heal more people and reduce the waiting line in the public sector. But since its a political shitstorm, the canadian gvmt doesnt do it. People are afraid that our system would become like the US, which is false, but people scare easy
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Yes I know. Please tell me how providing health care to millions of non-taxpayers will save tax payers money. Thanks in advance.
It's called your duty as a citizen. It's a question of morals. Keeping people healthy is better for everyone. Kinda like the military moto, no man left behind.
You didn't answer the question. You said it would save taxpayers money. How?
OK Komrade. My duty as a citizen extends to producing at least as much as I consume. What about the duty of the bums? Do they have none? What about you? Do you pay $5,000 a year in taxes? That is the average cost per person of health care in CanadaQuote:
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Part of the reason your country has lower healthcare costs is because the US government subsidizes medical research that you thus do not pay for receiving the benefits of. Same goes for drugs. Do not your health care bureaucrats get paid, i.e. make a profit? Are not bureaucrats middle men?
Medical research is a worldwide thing. But yes, since you have a bigger population, you probably have more researchers. I have no idea how much every country contriubtes to medical research, good point.
Employees are employees, they get their paychecks and thats it. In the private system there's a boss that wants to make a profit on top of paying its employees.
Are their paychecks not profit? How about health union heads. They don't do shit and make huge bank.
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starfire_xes said: Well, I use a big hospital here in SD, they do everything. If you go for a procedure and can't pay, they direct you to an office they have. This office then checks your income, etc, and finds what benefits you actually have (VA, Medicaid, etc, depending on situation) and also has multiple sources of funding for certain levels of illness, i.e. grants, foundations, etc. In any event they set up a plan of some kind so you can get premium care. You might still have to pay a lot but everyone who needs the treatment gets it.
oh, so the hospital does what nearly every hospital does and has done for decades, they try and find some way to help you cover your medical bills, charity care so to speak. the very thing that I've mentioned hundreds of times in these discussions
it still doenst explain how obamacare is supposed to help those that need medical coverage and cant afford insurance or cant get medicaid.
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But now I'm sure all these programs that helped people who really need it will go away because we have the big ole sloppy government teat hanging out there to suck on.
nope, obamacare has a provision that threatens hospitals that have provided charity care of they cease to provide it in the future
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yes I know. Please tell me how providing health care to millions of non-taxpayers will save tax payers money. Thanks in advance.
It doesn't and it's not supposed to. That's the taking care of people part. Money doesn't have any weight here, people's health is the reason the entire system exists.
Then again, if there's a study out there on the topic, I wouldn't be surprised that if people go to the doctor when they first feel symptoms, it would cost less to heal them before they get really sick than when they need extra care because they delayed the doctors visit until it was too late.
But still. Cost efficiency shouldn't come at the cost of people's health. There are plenty other areas you can save money from. Cutting directly in the area the system was invented in the first place is counter productive
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Patlal said: It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
how is it at a lower cost to the tax payer?, we know where the government gets their dime, from the tax payer, thus we have a higher taxpayer cost when government starts paying for medical coverage
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Patlal said: It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
how is it at a lower cost to the tax payer?, we know where the government gets their dime, from the tax payer, thus we have a higher taxpayer cost when government starts paying for medical coverage
Correct. The money is being taken by the GST/HST. Which is the sales tax. It is roughly twice the amount you guys pay on average in the US.
But the fact still remains. The American government has the highest cost per capita in health care cost than other modern countries
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Yes I know. Please tell me how providing health care to millions of non-taxpayers will save tax payers money. Thanks in advance.
It doesn't and it's not supposed to.
Then why did you say it did?Quote:
That's the taking care of people part. Money doesn't have any weight here, people's health is the reason the entire system exists.
If money doesn't have any weight in Canoodia how come you have to pay your doctors and nurses and politicians?Quote:
Then again, if there's a study out there on the topic, I wouldn't be surprised that if people go to the doctor when they first feel symptoms, it would cost less to heal them before they get really sick than when they need extra care because they delayed the doctors visit until it was too late.
I bet you would have an easier time finding a study that says most doctor visits are fucking bullshit.Quote:
But still. Cost efficiency shouldn't come at the cost of people's health. There are plenty other areas you can save money from. Cutting directly in the area the system was invented in the first place is counter productive
So how come you send medical tourists to the US. Doesn't seem all that Shroomey to me.
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Patlal said: It's the thing that every other modern country have the gives everybody health insurance at a lower cost to the taxpayers
Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
how is it at a lower cost to the tax payer?, we know where the government gets their dime, from the tax payer, thus we have a higher taxpayer cost when government starts paying for medical coverage
Correct. The money is being taken by the GST/HST. Which is the sales tax. It is roughly twice the amount you guys pay on average in the US.
But the fact still remains. The American government has the highest cost per capita in health care cost than other modern countries
How is that any of your concern?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19041204 - 10/27/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Health insurance = the card with a number you are given when you are born that you swipe in almost every medical facility you need if you're sick which then provides you with the health care you require on the government's dime. No real need for the word insurance really, there are no insurance companies involved.
how is it at a lower cost to the tax payer?, we know where the government gets their dime, from the tax payer, thus we have a higher taxpayer cost when government starts paying for medical coverage
Correct. The money is being taken by the GST/HST. Which is the sales tax. It is roughly twice the amount you guys pay on average in the US.
But the fact still remains. The American government has the highest cost per capita in health care cost than other modern countries
How is that any of your concern?
It isn't. Its your problem, not mine, but its still an interesting subject to discuss
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19041205 - 10/27/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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how is it at a lower cost to the tax payer?, we know where the government gets their dime, from the tax payer, thus we have a higher taxpayer cost when government starts paying for medical coverage
Correct. The money is being taken by the GST/HST. Which is the sales tax. It is roughly twice the amount you guys pay on average in the US.
But the fact still remains. The American government has the highest cost per capita in health care cost than other modern countries
The American government does not pay for most American's health care. Just the bums. How is that any of your concern?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Patlal]
#19041219 - 10/27/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It isn't. Its your problem, not mine, but its still an interesting subject to discuss
I didn't have a problem with it until now
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19041352 - 10/27/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Well, I use a big hospital here in SD, they do everything. If you go for a procedure and can't pay, they direct you to an office they have. This office then checks your income, etc, and finds what benefits you actually have (VA, Medicaid, etc, depending on situation) and also has multiple sources of funding for certain levels of illness, i.e. grants, foundations, etc. In any event they set up a plan of some kind so you can get premium care. You might still have to pay a lot but everyone who needs the treatment gets it.
oh, so the hospital does what nearly every hospital does and has done for decades, they try and find some way to help you cover your medical bills, charity care so to speak. the very thing that I've mentioned hundreds of times in these discussions
Not every place will try to offer charity care. For starters, even if you are a single mom enrolled in college, they do not provide charity care if you have medical insurance. Which means, if you have a high deductible over $5,000, you're shit out of luck.
I've gotten healthcare treatment from both medical facilities in wealthy areas and poor areas. Charity care did not exist in any of them except for one that was an ultrasound lab. Note that in some of these visits, they charged me thousands of dollars to lie in a hospital bed waiting for a blood test until 5am and then send me home. I did not receive pain medication or even ice for my ailments. They finally gave me ice, after I requested it, it came about 4 hours later. No charity care offered.
This was a response I received from a technician who works for UCI Medical about the experience: "Really good insurance for those hack facilities means you get "treated" and not transfered so that they can bill. Some of the facilities in your area are owned by for profit corporations that just feed off people like you that don't know anything about medicine. They "treat" you and let you go on your way hoping they don't have to settle a malpractice lawsuit and if they must settle they have the best attorneys to handle the case for a cheap settlement. Capitalism, what a win."
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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starfire_xes said: Well, I use a big hospital here in SD, they do everything. If you go for a procedure and can't pay, they direct you to an office they have. This office then checks your income, etc, and finds what benefits you actually have (VA, Medicaid, etc, depending on situation) and also has multiple sources of funding for certain levels of illness, i.e. grants, foundations, etc. In any event they set up a plan of some kind so you can get premium care. You might still have to pay a lot but everyone who needs the treatment gets it.
oh, so the hospital does what nearly every hospital does and has done for decades, they try and find some way to help you cover your medical bills, charity care so to speak. the very thing that I've mentioned hundreds of times in these discussions
Not every place will try to offer charity care. For starters, even if you are a single mom enrolled in college, they do not provide charity care if you have medical insurance. Which means, if you have a high deductible over $5,000, you're shit out of luck.
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I've gotten healthcare treatment from both medical facilities in wealthy areas and poor areas. Charity care did not exist in any of them except for one that was an ultrasound lab. Note that in some of these visits, they charged me thousands of dollars to lie in a hospital bed waiting for a blood test until 5am and then send me home. I did not receive pain medication or even ice for my ailments. They finally gave me ice, after I requested it, it came about 4 hours later. No charity care offered.
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This was a response I received from a technician who works for UCI Medical about the experience: "Really good insurance for those hack facilities means you get "treated" and not transfered so that they can bill. Some of the facilities in your area are owned by for profit corporations that just feed off people like you that don't know anything about medicine. They "treat" you and let you go on your way hoping they don't have to settle a malpractice lawsuit and if they must settle they have the best attorneys to handle the case for a cheap settlement. Capitalism, what a win."
Really? You remember that entire exchange verbatim such that you were able to put it in quotation marks? I'm going to call bullshit on this one.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19041487 - 10/27/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I literally copied and pasted it because our exchange was through text. I went back and found what he wrote around 10 months ago, and pasted it here.
And of course I paid for it, otherwise my credit score would have been ruined. Apparently the county or the state did not offer to help assistance for the costs. It cost me close over $400 a month and I'm still paying for the last of it. I plan on starting up a business overseas in the next few years, I can't take any chances with my credit score.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G] 1
#19041517 - 10/27/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you were able to pay for it yourself why should anybody else have to do it? I like you Crystal but you indulge in a lot of self destructive behavior and you are going to have to do a lot of tap dancing to explain why you think anybody else should be inconvenienced by it. Not for nothing but the technician should go fuck himself. He draws a paycheck from the company. Let him work for free if he hates profit so much.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well, he does bring up some interesting points about healthcare that are worthy of addressing. Namely, is it right for medical "corporations" to take advantage of people who aren't aware of what standard protocol is for adequate healthcare? Because I had no problems paying for my ultrasounds and lab tests and all that. Even though none of it was covered under my insurance and I had to pay out of pocket, which cost me $3K or so, I was fine paying for that out of pocket. Because I got the healthcare and medical attention that I deserved.
What I completely disagree with paying, was that one hospital fee, where they literally did nothing except give me a blood test and make me lie in a bed all night, and ignored my cries of pain, and I did not even get any assistance from anybody all throughout the night. I really feel like I should not have had to pay for that kind of shit treatment, nor should anybody.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Well, he does bring up some interesting points about healthcare that are worthy of addressing. Namely, is it right for medical "corporations" to take advantage of people who aren't aware of what standard protocol is for adequate healthcare? Because I had no problems paying for my ultrasounds and lab tests and all that. Even though none of it was covered under my insurance and I had to pay out of pocket, which cost me $3K or so, I was fine paying for that out of pocket. Because I got the healthcare and medical attention that I deserved.
What I completely disagree with paying, was that one hospital fee, where they literally did nothing except give me a blood test and make me lie in a bed all night, and ignored my cries of pain, and I did not even get any assistance from anybody all throughout the night. I really feel like I should not have had to pay for that kind of shit treatment, nor should anybody.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19042752 - 10/27/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I carry my own healthcare provider -
Im sure the rates will go up and I will be taxed heavier -
Nothing will change for me except things will become more expensive, doctors less content eager to make a quota like police near the end of the month.
In the end, its only going to cost me more money, and I already paid enough into my policy over years of working to have earned my right for affordable healthcare coverage.
Throwaway, get somethign for nothing.. that is where this nation is heading.
Since when was hardwork, dedication and compassion such a hard thing to muster? Where people would help eachother for the sake of humanity, and provide for eachother not because they were forced to, but because it was the right thing to do?
Our planet will regulate itself in one way or another, the human race may believe its all powerful and mighty, but this mean bitch we live on has another thing coming for us.
^- That was a joke, all things said before aswell.. Im just rambling.. did anything make sense?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Crystal G]
#19042848 - 10/27/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Well, he does bring up some interesting points about healthcare that are worthy of addressing. Namely, is it right for medical "corporations" to take advantage of people who aren't aware of what standard protocol is for adequate healthcare? Because I had no problems paying for my ultrasounds and lab tests and all that. Even though none of it was covered under my insurance and I had to pay out of pocket, which cost me $3K or so, I was fine paying for that out of pocket. Because I got the healthcare and medical attention that I deserved.
What I completely disagree with paying, was that one hospital fee, where they literally did nothing except give me a blood test and make me lie in a bed all night, and ignored my cries of pain, and I did not even get any assistance from anybody all throughout the night. I really feel like I should not have had to pay for that kind of shit treatment, nor should anybody.
This is what people are against paying for. If you feel wrong about paying for it, do you feel better about your taxes paying for high costs of inadequate treatment for someone else?
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