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Is Obamacare raping the country?
#19037103 - 10/26/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think Obamacare is raping everyone?
Anyone here think it's a good thing?
From what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system. Maybe it will help some uninsured people though but overall Obama's going away gift to the country may rape a lot of people. 
Edited by skatealex2 (10/26/13 07:01 PM)
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: skatealex2] 4
#19037113 - 10/26/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037120 - 10/26/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037130 - 10/26/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:

It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.

Says the guy with mush for brains. Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Edited by skatealex2 (10/26/13 07:05 PM)
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains] 3
#19037142 - 10/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:

It was such a quality two months without you being here, too.
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.

so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
oh, and it was a quality year before you registered here, while we're being personal douche nozzles.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#19037147 - 10/26/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama raped me.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord] 2
#19037159 - 10/26/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no right to discuss obamacare. Like everyone else who talks about it, I don't know shit. As far as I'm concerned the system needed reforming and this is where we're at.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: King Klick] 3
#19037175 - 10/26/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037179 - 10/26/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
So what about Obamacare do you figure is socialist/communist?
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
#19037185 - 10/26/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
hark, a voice of reason
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037191 - 10/26/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
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JesusIsLord said: so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
In a nutshell, the PPACA is the furthest thing from socialism/communism as universal health care could be.
Besides that, you're a self proclaimed "Jesus freak," and you don't like socialism? Jesus was a fucking socialist.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: joe666]
#19037197 - 10/26/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
Like I said, I don't know shit.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: psi]
#19037211 - 10/26/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psi said:
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JesusIsLord said: in a nutshell, socialism/communism destroy incentive and make more takers than makers. obamacare is a massive blow to freedom. it's a recipe for failure on a massive scale.
So what about Obamacare do you figure is socialist/communist?
well to clarify i guess i'd really say obama is a socialist/communist and his healthcare program is fascist. all branches of the same tree of bullshit.
fascism in that it compels under penalty of law people to purchase a commodity under some incredible stretch of the interstate commerce clause. that and i'm fairly certain it regulates how insurance companies operate so that none of them can really deviate from set prices and practices.
like i said at first, it kills incentive by removing competition. recipe for failure
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037224 - 10/26/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
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JesusIsLord said: so is the facepalm your attempt to refute the statement? or is it that your defense of socialism has such a weak foundation you won't dare stand on it? 
In a nutshell, the PPACA is the furthest thing from socialism/communism as universal health care could be.
Besides that, you're a self proclaimed "Jesus freak," and you don't like socialism? Jesus was a fucking socialist.
that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: King Klick]
#19037265 - 10/26/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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3/4ths of the new jobs created in the last year are less than 30 hours a week. I wonder why. The workforce now is as low (as a percentage) as it has been since women joined in large numbers. I wonder why. Millions of people have received notices that their health insurance is being discontinued, including me. I wonder why. Medicare Advantage carriers have kicked off thousands of doctors from their provider rolls. I wonder why. Premiums are soaring. I wonder why. Of the people in NY who have successfully gotten through the state website 2/3rds have enrolled in MEDICAID! Full tit. They pay nothing. I wonder why.
Oh this is going to work real well. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Healthy young males. Absolutely stump broke. Ask Pris what stump broke means.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037267 - 10/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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Also Obama's policies can have a significant effect on the economy so it seems worth bringing up.
Yet, you make no mention of how something like this affects the economy, you simply made some shit up about "from what I've seen Obamacare looks like it's going to cause a lot of damage to the economy and healthcare system"
Yeah, I see this shit on Fox News and Breitbart daily. It doesn't mean it's right just because you've "seen" some shit.
Well one effect it is having off the bat is that companies are cutting employers hours because of the mandate that sayis in 2015 businesses with over 50 full time employees must provide health coverage. So a lot of workers are gonna be cut right there.
A lot of people and studies are saying that Obamacare is causing insurance rates to go up for people who already have insurance in how much they pay for co-pays and insurance plans.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/17/study-obamacare-results-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211
Edited by skatealex2 (10/26/13 07:24 PM)
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19037272 - 10/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JesusIsLord said:that's pretty funny. Jesus was a capitalist - give a man a fish he'll eat for a day (dumbass socialists). Teach a man to fish (make him work and earn his living) and he'll eat for a lifetime.
But keep going, this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
First, http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/give-a-man-a-fish.html
Second. Jesus fed the poor for free. He healed the sick for free. He told people to care for one another.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19037275 - 10/26/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: 3/4ths of the new jobs created in the last year are less than 30 hours a week. I wonder why. The workforce now is as low (as a percentage) as it has been since women joined in large numbers. I wonder why. Millions of people have received notices that their health insurance is being discontinued, including me. I wonder why. Medicare Advantage carriers have kicked off thousands of doctors from their provider rolls. I wonder why. Premiums are soaring. I wonder why. Of the people in NY who have successfully gotten through the state website 2/3rds have enrolled in MEDICAID! Full tit. They pay nothing. I wonder why.
Oh this is going to work real well. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Healthy young males. Absolutely stump broke. Ask Pris what stump broke means.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/myth-obamacare-causing-part-time-135441398.html
According to the BLS household survey, part-time jobs fell 594,000 in September while full-time workers were up 691,000.
This was one hopeful nugget in an otherwise lackluster jobs report.
Workers are considered to be "part time" if they work under 35 hours a week.
Earlier this summer, when part-time numbers looked like they might be on the rise, some speculated that the shift was due to the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act.
Under Obamacare, employers will be required to offer health insurance or face penalties (the White House recently announced it will delay enforcement until 2015). Some companies have said they will reduce their full-time staff to below the 50-employee threshold as a result, or simply shave back full-timers' hours.
"If the health law were driving employers to cut employees’ hours, the most vulnerable workers would likely be those working just above the 30-hour cutoff," writes the Wall Street Journal's Ben Casselman. "That means the data would show a decline in those working 30 to 34 hours and an increase in those working less than 30 hours." He explains:
That isn’t what’s happening. The share of part-timers who say they usually work between 30 and 34 hours at their main job has been roughly flat over the past three years, at about 28%. (September data aren’t yet available.) If anything, it’s actually risen in the past year, though the change has been minor. The share working just under 30 hours has indeed risen somewhat, but the share working under 25 hours has fallen—suggesting that employers are giving part-timers more hours, rather than cutting full-timers’ hours back.
Put another way: If the Labor Department used the same definition of “part-time” as the health law, its data would show no increase in part-time work over the past year.
Check out the chart showing that part-time workers as a share of total workers has, if anything, actually gone down.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037301 - 10/26/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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here come the idiots.
"omg everything worked fine! except when everyone noted that it wasn't working fine, but to me it did, and i can say it's true and it's true for me! so fuck you!1 WAH WAH wAH~!~!"
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joe666 said: so you support fucking up the system that worked just fine for 85% so 15% could have cheap health care available to them that they may not even want?
hark, a voice of reason
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JesusIsLord said: this is entertaining watching you try to twist facts to suit your argument 
sorry, but twisting facts, is not what he's doing here.
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Re: Is Obamacare raping us? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19037341 - 10/26/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually checked the link Yahoo gave.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) was unchanged at 7.9 million in September.
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