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Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil
    #19036894 - 10/26/13 08:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Hello fellow shroomerites,

I consider myself quite the pot head. That being said, I've always stuck (mostly) to plant and never to concentrate. In a few days, my friend is putting an order in for concentrates and asked me if I wanted in.

The shipment is coming from a club in Cali, so it's dispensary-grade stuff at much better prices than I'd find around me in the North East. The menu for this specific dispensary has hash, oil, and wax. I've smoked each of these, but I don't have much expertise in their distinct differences and similarities....

Any concentrate experts care to share some knowledge? I really need some help picking what I want to buy since I sadly can't try everything the club offers. Don't take the method of smoking into account, since I have (or will have) both a nail on a nice water pipe and a G-Pen. Also, the menu has indica/satica/hybrids of all three. 

Things I'm looking for:
-Clearheadedness
-Uplifting
-Social/Stimulating

Looking forward to hearing from ya'll experienced folks!

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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19037037 - 10/26/13 08:39 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

there all good, depends on how you prefer to ingest.

find a nice sativa, although for me hash always gives me a deep stone and heavy eye lids regardless what was used to extract from.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19037038 - 10/26/13 08:39 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I got some wax recently that tested at 92% THC. To be specific it's called Moonrock.  Excellent stuff :thumbup:
A gram lasts me about a week and a half, which ain't bad for my habit :rasta:

I got an E-Go T Upgrade that I use to smoke concentrates, and the wax has been the best by far.

I've tried oil, it was potent.  But it's been my experience that the wax is superior.  It covers all three things you're looking for.

However, I'm sure potency can depend on who made it, what method, etc.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: bishlap]
    #19037076 - 10/26/13 08:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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there all good, depends on how you prefer to ingest.

find a nice sativa, although for me hash always gives me a deep stone and heavy eye lids regardless what was used to extract from.




They are all good, no doubt :bongload:
But traditional hash (bubble, sugar) has got nothing on wax and oil concentrates.
And I'm not disagreeing with your statements, just letting OP know.

But if you don't mind me asking, how do you smoke your concentrates?  Because the deep stone/heavy eyelid thing used to be a constant for me til I switched to vaping them.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #19037171 - 10/26/13 09:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I generally smoke wax and BHO that is like brown glass until you add heat.

I have an attachment to my bong that has a glass nail inclosed by glass, only a hole for dabbing.

worst part is, its almost a 2 man operation.
one holds the dab and glass dome as the other torches the nail.

2 hits and im usually passing up any more, and I smoke at least a zone a week of mids, my tolerance is a bitch.

e: I quite like bubble hash, true it lacks in potency but ime usually tastes amazing.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: bishlap]
    #19037313 - 10/26/13 09:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Personally, I'm not much of a grass man anymore, myself but I like the occasional cannabis high. I love hash although its typically the weaker of the three but with my low tolerance it's the best. The wax and oil was just too strong for me but I did enjoy it a few times and it gave my vision a high definition quality to it. I'd like to try to eat some instead of smoking, smoking it gives me social anxiety and makes me uncomfortable as fuck. So I guess I'm not the best for this question but d you're a heavy stoner looking for a sativa like high them I'd go for the wax. I think one reason it gave me social anxiety was cause everyone wanted to chill and I was stimulated to do shit and felt like I couldn't without them thinking I was crazy, haha. It's also hard to keep up with some pot heads that smoke that shit. 4/20, walk in a eat two edibles and then take a few hits of the dabs then a few hits of hash and try to tell me you're comfortable sitting here being a lazy fuck. I just kept singing "people are strange" into head as I watched fear and loathing and loathed my ass off in the corner peering out of my chinked ass devil dick eyes. Next day I was just like fuck that let's do coke or something, lol.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19037337 - 10/26/13 09:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Get moonrocks, it's wax rolled in hash


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19038261 - 10/27/13 12:14 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for all the advice. What I'm thinking is a little bit of cheap hash (they sell $10 grams, so I'd get 2 or 3) just to have, and then a good mix of oil and wax :smile:

Sativas for sure. The hash I'll get indica just to have one real knockout. So pumped ! :smile:


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19040613 - 10/27/13 02:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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bishlap said:
I generally smoke wax and BHO that is like brown glass until you add heat.

I have an attachment to my bong that has a glass nail inclosed by glass, only a hole for dabbing.

worst part is, its almost a 2 man operation.
one holds the dab and glass dome as the other torches the nail.

2 hits and im usually passing up any more, and I smoke at least a zone a week of mids, my tolerance is a bitch.

e: I quite like bubble hash, true it lacks in potency but ime usually tastes amazing.




Nice :thumbup:
Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to do a real dab with a nail setup.  But I've heard great things.

And you're right about the taste of bubble hash. Usually much better.  Quite Earthy.


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Thanks for all the advice. What I'm thinking is a little bit of cheap hash (they sell $10 grams, so I'd get 2 or 3) just to have, and then a good mix of oil and wax :smile:

Sativas for sure. The hash I'll get indica just to have one real knockout. So pumped ! :smile:




Good choice.  You're in for a real treat.  I remember my first hit of a nice concentrate...:girlishjoy:


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #19040658 - 10/27/13 02:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I've hit concentrate before, but only when friends have smoked me up...never bought for myself! Seeing as I usually buy ounces or halfs of herb at a time, I should really spend at least $200 on this purchase to last me a bit. Apparently a gram of wax can last a good week if you're a heavy smoker.

I've actually never tried oil. But my friend got wax once before and my other friend has good hash from NYC all the time :smile:


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19040721 - 10/27/13 03:08 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

hash is more versatile, The oil is usually a one hit kind of thing


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19040810 - 10/27/13 03:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

How does "wax" differ from hash oil?

Aren't they both just solvent based oils?


I love me some oil. I have a glass tube thats custom made for making hash oil... comes with one open end, and the other end has a small pre-fitted hole for the butane nozzle. I use Vector 5x filtered butane, but looking for a cleaner alternative if anybody knows of one. I don't have the luxury of vacuum purging my finished product, so the cleaner the solvent the better in my case.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: chutney]
    #19040888 - 10/27/13 03:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yep.
Wax has oils that are solid at room temp, unlike 'oil' which are still a bit runny.
Hash is the weakest of the three, but also the most 'natural' and closest to bud in taste.

I've found letting your tolerance drop and then hitting the concentrates hard can produce psychedelic effects.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19041120 - 10/27/13 04:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19041371 - 10/27/13 05:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

For anyone actually looking to better their knowledge of cannabis concentrates, SKR is the place. skunk pharm research center





Very informative, thank you! Except why then is some dispensary oil runny? Even dispensary grade isnt good?


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19041374 - 10/27/13 05:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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hash is more versatile, The oil is usually a one hit kind of thing





Well G-Pen's do the trick with oil :smile:


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19041548 - 10/27/13 06:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

From my limited understanding many med grade oils are made with SCC02.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19041719 - 10/27/13 07:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

For anyone actually looking to better their knowledge of cannabis concentrates, SKR is the place. skunk pharm research center





Very informative, thank you! Except why then is some dispensary oil runny? Even dispensary grade isnt good?




Unfortunately there are more co-ops peddling harmful BHO than one might think. The quality control on most of this oil is ZERO because the oil producers are considered "private contractors" and are responsible for all testing and quality control.

As you can imagine, this leaves a massive loop hole for unscrupulous vendors to run the shittiest material they can find, and then sell that un-purged product because it actually weighs more. It's really up to the individual dispensaries to lab test everything before they buy it, but that rarely happens as it costs $150 per HPLC test. Most collectives won't go through the trouble or money to get back definitive results on the residual hydrocarbons and sell what they're given based on what the vendor tells them. Most people are under the impression that dispensaries are super strict and have a medical intake process, when in reality we get dudes walking in off the street with backpacks full of bud, and if it looks decent, we'll buy it if the price it right.

There is however a network of extract artists that are trying to change things, and through research and quantitative results one day i hope all dispensaries will have a standard test bed for concentrates, as for right now, there is no set base standard.

As for most dispensary oil being SCC02, unfortunately that's like saying the majority of LSD out there is real LSD. SCC02 setups cost $100,000+ and there are only 6 labs in california that i know of (more in colorado) who produce SCC02 oil on a regular basis, and they have set shops they sell to so its still difficult to find unless you know where the shops are that carry it. 



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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19041760 - 10/27/13 07:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I really like wax, personally, and I find that the indica and sativa both have a much clearer high than regular bud.  I smoke out of the mflb tray for now, looking to get a bong and nail soon.  Can any further elaborate on shatter vs. wax?


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: refried]
    #19043028 - 10/28/13 12:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quite interesting.
The places I know that use SCCO2 do so mostly in their baking.  I knew the setup was expensive but I didn't realize so few places use it.
While it's probably on the site you posted, do you know if there are different pull rates/percentages for different cannabinoids?


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19043188 - 10/28/13 12:44 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Quite interesting.
The places I know that use SCCO2 do so mostly in their baking.  I knew the setup was expensive but I didn't realize so few places use it.
While it's probably on the site you posted, do you know if there are different pull rates/percentages for different cannabinoids?





When it comes to the % of extract by weight, you're generally looking at two factors. the first is diameter of holding tube, this directly correlates to pressure because the narrower and longer the tube the more pressure will build up as you run N-tane through it. The more pressure you have in your tube, the higher the yield will be because you're forcing everything out, including shit you don't want. pressure isnt always a good thing if your starting material sucks. 

Keep in mind though that you can only extract as much THC-A/CBD-A/CBN as in the starting material, so if you load a bunch of shit starting material into a long narrow tube, you'll extract all the cannabinoids the first run, but also get shit dark oil because of all the non actives being forced through the tube by the pressure.

Using a wider tube will extract less of the total cannabinoids per run, but will also produce much clearer and cleaner oil because there's no pressure forcing the chlorophyll and other waxes down and out into your pyrex.

the second factor in return is the temperature of your material. Colder material will hold onto its lipids and chlorophyll better, but again makes it harder for butane to penetrate and dissolve the trich glands so colder material has to be run 2-3 times to get everything out of it.

All cannabinoids readily disolve in non-polar solvents like butane, so as long as you have enough volume of butane passing over the trichs for long enough, you'll extract 95% of everything active by the 2rd run if you're open blasting.

We use a closed loop setup that reclaims butane and soaks the material at 50psi for 15 minutes before it's released into the holding tank at the bottom and the butane is xferd to the other tank.

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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19133140 - 11/13/13 10:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Holy shit, thanks for the detailed answer! That cleared up a lot I have been unclear on. Love your concentrate posts, seems like you got it dialed in.. I'm a lil jealous!


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: ElVatoFirme]
    #19133313 - 11/13/13 10:48 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Don't believe what most tests, especially 90% ones on their accuracy. Some labs Seperate THC-V and THC-A, while others put them together for higher numbers...Tell me, if you have 92% THC-A/V, do you really think that it is accurate? Between terpines, lipids, and other things, numbers in reality in a Liquid Chromatography lab are far different. Now if the oil is winterized to remove lipids and other particulates, maybe a high 80-90% can be legitimately seen.

As for Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil, there needs to be some clarification.

Wax and Oil are the exact same thing done with (mostly) the exact same process. Dark, gooey oil is the result of overcooking when making wax. When I would burn my shatter when I began blasting BHO, it became "honey oil". Honey oil is great for edibles, because all THC-V is turned into THC-A when cooked with the food. However, for a tasty, stony hash hit, oil is NOT the way to go.

Wax comes in 2 (3 i suppose) textures. Shatter, Earwax, and Honeycomb. Honeycomb is basically earwax but done with a better process. Shatter can be done cheaply and still be good, but with a pro setup like for honeycomb, you get better results.

Traditional bubble hash, IMO, is much like BHO but is harder to technically find, especially fullmelt. Most water extracts I find bubble a little to none at all, and have just the generic "hash" taste. Whether it is bubble or BHO, good hash tastes like the material it came from. At least with bubble, you can tell it's quality just by taking a lighter to it. It starts boiling, it's bueno. The more it can boil down, the better the extract is.

I know you said you'll have a pen and a rig, but I do have an extra tip on that. Unless you are actually going somewhere, try to take a good dab out of your rig. The pen is really meant to let a little bit go for many hits, not take one hit that would be about 1/2 the pen full. With a decent nail setup, I've taken .25g dabs before, and even a .5g, although that is not often lol, as you usually are coughing and sweating after those kinds of dabs. My point is that .1 instantly ingested with give you a nice punch instead of ripping and using up half your pen (if it holds ~.2) when your at home and have to charge it again soon. The pen IMO is for when you are going somewhere and don't want to have to bring your rig along.


Sources: Years of growing and extracting, listening to fellow BHO extractors, and two years blasting with BHO.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19133344 - 11/13/13 10:52 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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funkerdslr said:
Quote:

StygianKnight said:
Quite interesting.
The places I know that use SCCO2 do so mostly in their baking.  I knew the setup was expensive but I didn't realize so few places use it.
While it's probably on the site you posted, do you know if there are different pull rates/percentages for different cannabinoids?





When it comes to the % of extract by weight, you're generally looking at two factors. the first is diameter of holding tube, this directly correlates to pressure because the narrower and longer the tube the more pressure will build up as you run N-tane through it. The more pressure you have in your tube, the higher the yield will be because you're forcing everything out, including shit you don't want. pressure isnt always a good thing if your starting material sucks. 

Keep in mind though that you can only extract as much THC-A/CBD-A/CBN as in the starting material, so if you load a bunch of shit starting material into a long narrow tube, you'll extract all the cannabinoids the first run, but also get shit dark oil because of all the non actives being forced through the tube by the pressure.

Using a wider tube will extract less of the total cannabinoids per run, but will also produce much clearer and cleaner oil because there's no pressure forcing the chlorophyll and other waxes down and out into your pyrex.

the second factor in return is the temperature of your material. Colder material will hold onto its lipids and chlorophyll better, but again makes it harder for butane to penetrate and dissolve the trich glands so colder material has to be run 2-3 times to get everything out of it.

All cannabinoids readily disolve in non-polar solvents like butane, so as long as you have enough volume of butane passing over the trichs for long enough, you'll extract 95% of everything active by the 2rd run if you're open blasting.

We use a closed loop setup that reclaims butane and soaks the material at 50psi for 15 minutes before it's released into the holding tank at the bottom and the butane is xferd to the other tank.

Here's my extractor (and shoe hah)





Very informative, good to see someone with some closed loop experience able to give their 2c, I am yet to get to play with such a setup.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19136080 - 11/14/13 02:54 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19136157 - 11/14/13 03:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Today is slow, so i decided to run a little experiment. I'm dewaxing 130 grams of really dirty  BHO (worst Green Crack trim imaginable, 8% total return by weight) in ethanol and then spit the samples into 3 groups. I'll process those 3 groups into wax,shatter, and a decarboxilated sap. Once they're all purged down to 50PPM and below ill lab test them to get a quantitative view on the differences between the 3.

This is going to be an interesting experiment to see if the process of making wax,shatter and oil changed= the cannabinoid, terpenoid, and RS profiles of the finish medicine. Since its all the same starting material and it was all blasted the same, the results should be on point.

I would love to know this for myself, we primarily only produce shatters, but if the wax comes back with high marks, we'll start looking into making more top shelf waxes.


On that waxy note, i think its about time to get that Ti heated up.  :fuckyeahdance:


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    #19136279 - 11/14/13 03:56 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

i like hash the most out of that list...but i honestly enjoy just smoking really good buds out of glass over any other method.  :vaped:


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    #19137364 - 11/14/13 07:55 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

shatter>wax>oil>hash


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    #19137490 - 11/14/13 08:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

For me, NOTHING can compare to certain hash. This one time I bought 24gs of Compressed kief hash from this hippie from nor-cal that came from Amsterdam to make hash in Cali. I got it for the same i'd buy an oz of herb and this shit was so fire I would wake up every morning high, then id get higher throughout the day. After doing that for a month top shelf bud didn't do shit for me :lol:


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19201258 - 11/28/13 05:25 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

For anyone actually looking to better their knowledge of cannabis concentrates, SKR is the place. skunk pharm research center





thanks funk!  I love that website--- we experimented with making hexane extract with trim after a 45min decarboxylation in a 220F oven.  Never got it to a lab for testing but it was effective when smoked. 

I think washing the extract in iso or ethyl alcohol is the best way to clean it up


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    #19201852 - 11/28/13 08:09 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

For anyone actually looking to better their knowledge of cannabis concentrates, SKR is the place. skunk pharm research center





thanks funk!  I love that website--- we experimented with making hexane extract with trim after a 45min decarboxylation in a 220F oven.  Never got it to a lab for testing but it was effective when smoked. 

I think washing the extract in iso or ethyl alcohol is the best way to clean it up





I've heard 220 is too low for decarb, did you find that 45 mins at that temp did the trick?
I've been doing 240 for 20-30 mins.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19202057 - 11/28/13 08:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

op what your looking for is totally strain defendant.
Ad dont decarb.... Save your flavor and do a raw run seven day full vac purge low heat.


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    #19202104 - 11/28/13 08:55 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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As a oil producer for multiple dispensaries here in southern cali, i can attest to the fact BHO de-waxed in ethanol will yield the highest test results both in actives and low residual solvents.

Wax is just whipped oil that's been stabilized. Shatter is fully stable oil which has most of its RS purged out of it. If you get an oil that's runny, there is 100% chance there are contaminants (residual butane, plant waxes, and other long chain hydrocarbons). THC and all the other cannabinoids are clear and solid at room temperature, if your oil is anything but see through and hard, then it needs more purging. Unless of course you're dealing with hexane of SCC02, where the cannabinoids actually bind to the terpinoids during the extraction and you'll never get a fully stable oil because removing the terpenes and lipids will also remove actives.

For anyone actually looking to better their knowledge of cannabis concentrates, SKR is the place. skunk pharm research center





thanks funk!  I love that website--- we experimented with making hexane extract with trim after a 45min decarboxylation in a 220F oven.  Never got it to a lab for testing but it was effective when smoked. 

I think washing the extract in iso or ethyl alcohol is the best way to clean it up





I've heard 220 is too low for decarb, did you find that 45 mins at that temp did the trick?
I've been doing 240 for 20-30 mins.




Just to shed a little more light on decaring. decarbing 2-CooH-THC into THC by release the carboxylic acid group as C02 requires temperatures around 260 degrees F. 

Basically this is how cannabinoids are broken down.

CBGA is the main cannabinoid synthesized by the plant.

CBGA is converted to THCA-CBDA-CBCA through means of time and temperature. (in natures case, the sun baking the buds on the plant)

THCA-CBDA-CBCA lose their (A) carboxylic acid group as the carbon bond loses connectivity at around 260F and are converted to THC-CBD-CBC (all active cannabinoids)

THC-CBD-CBC lose hydrogen over time or with heat and convert into the final and weakest cannabinoid, CBN (Cannabinol) which is known to cause heavy sedative effects because of its agonist effect on the CB1 receptor and major affinity to the CB2.

If you're going to be eating the cannabis and don't decarb it, you're wasting your time since THCA isn't psychologically active. Though the medicinal effects of CBDA/THCA far outweigh the psychological effects of decarbed material.


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Re: Wax vs. Hash vs. Oil [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19202113 - 11/28/13 08:56 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

In my personal experience, bud has done me quite well consistently. Hash is almost identical to bud for me except quantity/length. I find myself getting very high off of very little hash for several hours. Wax however...wax is a different story. I can take 2 hits of wax and be in a totally different world of peace almost for 3+ hours straight. Wax to me, is something totally different.


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    #19206369 - 11/29/13 10:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I've heard 220 is too low for decarb, did you find that 45 mins at that temp did the trick?
I've been doing 240 for 20-30 mins.






yeah sorry I meant 240F  for 45 min

the key is temp plus time for proper conversion...  and as I said before funkdslr, I have not taken the product to the lab for testing so I have no idea how well the conversion is working.  THe concept of enzymatic conversion is not lost on the homebrewer though.  It's a pretty simple thing to grasp... I will never make edibles without a proper 45-60min decarb.  if you are making a solvent extract you can decarb the dry trim on a baking sheet in the oven.  if you are making canna-butter you can put the trim in a crock pot and add a pound of butter and let it cook for 3-4 days which will acheive a decarboxylation over time.


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    #19206790 - 11/30/13 12:38 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I've had hash around the world; in Italy and France (fucking blond lebanese has is yummy good) hash oil--actually 95% pure THC that was liberated from a medical research lab, and some Romulan Ear Wax.

Now, the hash and THC (Oil) were great, but that fucking Romulan Ear wax dropped me to my fucking knees after about the 3rd hit, and it went downhill from there.  :awesomenod:


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    #19207582 - 11/30/13 09:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I got some wax recently that tested at 92% THC. To be specific it's called Moonrock.  Excellent stuff :thumbup:
A gram lasts me about a week and a half, which ain't bad for my habit :rasta:

I got an E-Go T Upgrade that I use to smoke concentrates, and the wax has been the best by far.

I've tried oil, it was potent.  But it's been my experience that the wax is superior.  It covers all three things you're looking for.

However, I'm sure potency can depend on who made it, what method, etc.





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    #19207695 - 11/30/13 10:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I've had hash around the world; in Italy and France (fucking blond lebanese has is yummy good) hash oil--actually 95% pure THC that was liberated from a medical research lab, and some Romulan Ear Wax.

Now, the hash and THC (Oil) were great, but that fucking Romulan Ear wax dropped me to my fucking knees after about the 3rd hit, and it went downhill from there.  :awesomenod:






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