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randomname48723
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Liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health
#19034817 - 10/26/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I found a lot of libs here about 3 weeks ago now (which were ID'd here), but haven't had any luck since then until I went out last night.
Habitat: North-facing Pasture which cows had been grazing a couple of months beforehand. I found a lot of libs here about 3 weeks ago now (which were ID'd here), but haven't had any luck since then until I went out last night.
Gills: Darksih in most, but I'm pretty suspect about the identity of a couple of them with pale gills. Gills run to the top of the cap and don't attach to the stem.
Stem: Long and thin.
Cap: Classic liberty cap shape. They vary in colour a bit but most were brown-ish and very, very sticky. A few of the more 'fresh' looking ones almost appeared transparent when I looked up into the cap from the stem while it was on a white piece of paper!
Spore print color: Family members everywhere so zero chance of being able to do a spore print unfortunately (I've hidden them away in the freezer now), but the spores were dark-ish for all but two (and I'm not so sure those are actually libs).
Bruising: Never checked, I'm an idiot.. I'll be picking more from the same place again tonight so I can check then.
Other information: I found a lot of libs here about 3 weeks ago now (which were ID'd here), but haven't had any luck since then until I went out last night. This time they were pretty sparse and very localised to one small area. There were older looking liberty caps there too which I think might be infected with something, but I'm not expert on the subject so if you guys have any idea what's going on with them please let me know. I left a good few of them still in the field last night in the hopes that more would spring up over today and tomorrow. There were lots of tiny little ones (I picked one of these) so I think that is a good sign.
One of the main things I wanted to ask about here was mushroom health. Is it possible for a lib to 'go bad' before it is picked? I saw some pretty nasty looking libs out there which looked old and green/black, which looked like they swelled out and bloated like a corpse or something.. I tried to pick one of these and it just disintegrated in my hand, gross! I took a picture of the next one I found though, but it was hard to capture the shape correctly seeing as I was using my phone to take the picture at night, but the shape looked very typical of what you would see in a lib, just bloated.
Nasty one:

Less nasty but probably past its prime... Save to eat do you think?


Are the other libs in the field in danger of picking up whatever is wrong with those other mushrooms? If they are I could pick them tonight and then stick them in the freezer like the others. Also, should I wait to pick them if there is no danger or just pick them right away? I want them to proliferate as much as possible!
Some pics of them in their natural environment.. All of these were taken in a small area of one field:




Pics of the few I took back with me:
 
1 is a mess, idk why I bothered taking a picture of that one. 5 and 6 are looking pretty suspect to me, as is 16. I'm not too sure about 7 and 8 either but still look less suspect IMO. 12 was about the size of the other little ones, so I'm assuming when I go out there tonight/tomorrow night there will be more bigger ones. when I was picking them I tried to target the less young looking ones mostly because I wanted to let them mature/spread their spores more, etc, so may not be the greatest examples, but should hopefully be enough for an ID. Let me know if you need anything else.
Look how sticky they were!

Thanks guys.
Edited by randomname48723 (10/26/13 11:06 AM)
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Bobzimmer
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: randomname48723]
#19034839 - 10/26/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes 5,6 and 16 look like Galerina. Throw them out! I think the rest look like liberty caps.
Yes, they can and do go bad before they're picked. Personally, I wouldn't eat anything other than the freshest specimens.
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jet li
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: randomname48723]
#19034841 - 10/26/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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5,6 Not libs. Not sure about 11,12,14...
The rest are libs.
You should spore print all your finds
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randomname48723
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19034862 - 10/26/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Bobzimmer said: Yes 5,6 and 16 look like Galerina. Throw them out! I think the rest look like liberty caps.
Yes, they can and do go bad before they're picked. Personally, I wouldn't eat anything other than the freshest specimens.
Just googled Galerina, thanks for the heads up!
These are all currently in a plastic bag in my freezer.. Should I just throw them all out to be sure? I don't want to go eating something that could make me sick now. Would a Galerina touching a lib or being in close proximity to it contaminate the lib? I don't know much about these mushrooms, so I don't know how toxic they are. I should probably give my coat a wash as I had them all in my jacket pocket too :/
EDIT: Also, is there any specific indicators a lib has gone bad that can be looked out for before picking?
Edited by randomname48723 (10/26/13 10:00 AM)
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Bobzimmer
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: randomname48723]
#19034896 - 10/26/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Storing your fresh mushrooms in a plastic bag or in the freezer will turn them to moosh anyway, so they're going to be all rotten anyhow.
I don't think that mushrooms touching poses a threat to health but it's probably a good idea to learn first to confidently ID libs yourself before consuming any.
As far as indicators for rotten mushrooms I don't know...discoloring, softening, slimy baterial growth. Just like rotten food.
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randomname48723
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19034947 - 10/26/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Bobzimmer said: Storing your fresh mushrooms in a plastic bag or in the freezer will turn them to moosh anyway, so they're going to be all rotten anyhow.
I don't think that mushrooms touching poses a threat to health but it's probably a good idea to learn first to confidently ID libs yourself before consuming any.
As far as indicators for rotten mushrooms I don't know...discoloring, softening, slimy baterial growth. Just like rotten food.
Do you happen to know if touching the caps of the Galerina mushrooms and then, say, taking a pill out of a bottle and then putting it back in would contaminate the pill? This situation may have arisen last night.. I feel a bit stupid now but such is life.. I'm pretty confidant in picking them, but it was dark in the field and therefor hard to see, I thought they may have been immature ones or something, didn't think picking them and bringing them inside would do any harm, but lesson learned!
Since they're going to be mush when I take them out of the freezer then I think I'll just throw away the bag of them and collect more. Safety first and all that. I've done a bit of reading and I can't seem to find a way that will allow me to store them for a week without them disintegrating, which I can also do without it being very obvious to my family that I had picked shrooms. I'd be going out picking them in the middle of the night when they're asleep and then have to hide them before they wake up. Do you have any suggestions here? No worries if not, you've been extremely helpful.
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: randomname48723]
#19034999 - 10/26/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree. Shitcan them and start over. The only way that toxic mushrooms will harm you is by eating them directly.
You have to dry them thoroughly to store them. I'll leave which stealth method up to you...
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19035371 - 10/26/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone keeps saying you should Spore print what you find but in my ignorance I can't see why? I took a Spore print off this liberty cap n it just looked the same colour as the underside of the mushroom. All the info on the this site is really useful except I've not seen the info on how to read a Spore print? I ain't bothered anyway only looking for libs n they're so obvious once you've found them once you're set unless your super paranoid in which case maybe don't trip your balls off haha
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: scratchgonzo]
#19035415 - 10/26/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. Judge your shrooms like you judge your produce. If you wouldn't buy it in a grocery store....you shouldn't bring it home. In MOST cases(not all) bacteria is a bigger threat than your shrooms. 2. The gill view is sometimes misleading because of colour. Spores are so small you cant see them except on mass. That means that you can see THROUGH them and the background colors will effect what you are seeing. ALWAYS take a spore print to see the true, unadulterated color.
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
#19039452 - 10/27/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You saying that other spores could be on the gills? N to print incase they could hurt you?
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jet li
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Re: East Ireland - liberty cap ID request, and some questions about fungal health [Re: scratchgonzo]
#19039831 - 10/27/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spore printing is to confirm the color of the spores.
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