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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040190 - 10/27/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good eye chimpy... for spotting the spores, and my return!

Let's gather the evidence together:





Basically I just spotted these brown to white mushrooms growing in tufts from a log and that was enough for me to slam the Hypholoma stamp. In fact that one from the original post was growing a bit further up the branch from the others on it's own and was slightly larger so it could be distinct. And come to think of it, that ring does look a bit too sturdy... I just don't know what else to call it, it looks so Hypholicious! Any suggestions?


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040330 - 10/27/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some more mushrooms which somehow escaped the original upload...

15). I wasn't sure if these could be some sort of Gymnopilus based on the rusty spore deposit around annulus?



Unfortunately I found these when my Camera died hence phone snaps. Tree stump in cattle pasture.

16). I've enjoyed an abundance of Field Mushrooms here:



17). Would appreciate any help with this Bolete. Can't find anything matching it's red pores and brown cracking cap:



Found in the summer with Oak if I remember correctly (Could have been Horse Chestnut actually).

18). And finally, these Coprinellus/Coprinopsis, which were pretty groovy considering they grew out of shit:



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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040347 - 10/27/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice shots! The first one is interesting. Maybe it's closer to Stropharia or Leratiomyces?

Glad you are back 7! No longer posting from the southern lowlands?


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040377 - 10/27/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

15.  Stropharia
17.  Red pored bolete, possibly undescribed?  I don't know what species.  Interesting, but consider it inedible.


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040660 - 10/27/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Eh, he could have made a mistake. No ones perfect, but he is usually on spot.
It does have that Protubera look, but as you can see its strikingly similar to the look of stinkhorns as well.

My understanding is that Protubera is Phallogastraceae Family. (Protophallaceae)
Clathrus in the Phallaceae Family.

Still getting the hang of biological hierarchy ranking terminology... which is increasingly difficult to keep up with in the changing and switch ups.... reading several decades of books is sometimes a daunting task.

Years down the road perhaps they will make a connection that they haven't made yet.
Those 2 look far too similar to be so completely different.

Habitat influenced evolution maybe?

Interesting to think about.


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: jet li]
    #19040664 - 10/27/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, the irony is I'm more southern than before :tongue:

Stropharia eh? Those spores really did look rusty though... And it was a solid stump, didn't realise they grew from solid wood like that. Cool anyway!

Do you think it's safe to call the Bolete a Boletus? Wasn't hoping to consume them anyway, didn't look too appetising.

Them luridus on the other hand are going strait in the frying pan next time I find them for a seriously colourful breakfast :fancycook:


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040727 - 10/27/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I expect nothing less than perfection from the Allamighty Cocky-fellow :crankey: (although of course I don't know that he's not correct)

Do Protubera rely consumption to disperse their spores or what? It'd be surprising if they convergently developed such similarity given the differences in final morphology and widespread distribution... But I shouldn't really pretend to understand these factors and either way it's all cool stuff!


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19040849 - 10/27/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It seems Wikipedia has the answer! If you look to the right there is a cladogram showing the relationship between Protubera canescens and Clathrus ruber, amongst others. So I guess it's just that things can be closer related than I had assumed whilst still being classified in whole different orders. I suppose there can't be a definite point to draw a line between order/class/genus, so how closely related these classifications makes species can vary.

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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19041644 - 10/27/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow!! 13 does look like a Hypholoma but I cannot figure out which one. The gills have a purplish tinge to them that looks more like Hypholoma then Pholiota. The cap is not scaly at all either...hmmm very interesting find!!


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19041787 - 10/27/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It seems Wikipedia has the answer! If you look to the right there is a cladogram showing the relationship between Protubera canescens and Clathrus ruber, amongst others. So I guess it's just that things can be closer related than I had assumed whilst still being classified in whole different orders. I suppose there can't be a definite point to draw a line between order/class/genus, so how closely related these classifications makes species can vary.

:hillbilly:





:thumbup: I didn't even notice that on Wiki... I see it now!

and this is why the scientific classification ranking system for the Fungi kingdom is so damn confusing/frustrating.. :smile:

You would think they would at least be in the same Order... but I guess once they branch off and evolve they can become more distinguished from one another.

well, its in the Agaricomycetes Class, for sure!!!
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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19041801 - 10/27/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice finds!!!:murray:


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: User_7]
    #19041837 - 10/27/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I expect nothing less than perfection from the Allamighty Cocky-fellow :crankey: (although of course I don't know that he's not correct)

Do Protubera rely consumption to disperse their spores or what? It'd be surprising if they convergently developed such similarity given the differences in final morphology and widespread distribution... But I shouldn't really pretend to understand these factors and either way it's all cool stuff!




I would think not, but being described as truffle-like, i dunno:shrug:... maybe thats why stinkhorns branched off, developing a better means for dispersion... I really dont know much at all about Protubera... other than that Alan notes he and some friends ate some on MO. lol... and what little I have read in comparing the 2 the past 2 days.

Came across THIS... not paying to read the rest though!
-Very interesting.. honestly, The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. (Occam's Razor)
Protubera: Stinkhorns in Stasis?
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The Victorian Naturalist,
Volume 127 Issue 2 (April 2010)

The Truffle-like 'Protubera canescens' Is an Early Developmental Stage of the Cage Fungus 'Ileodictyon'

May, Tom W1; Sinnott, Nigel; Sinnott, Alice

Abstract: Recent collections from a site in the Melbourne suburb of Altona North indicate that the truffle-like fungus Protubera canescens may be the young stage of the Cage Fungus Ileodictyon gracile. Over several months, fruit-bodies consistent with descriptions of Protubera canescens were observed, but later, at the same site, lattices emerged, typical of Ileodictyon gracile. In the unopened fruit-bodies radial threads were observed in the gelatinous layer of the peridium. These structures match with literature reports of the morphology of both species, although they have been little discussed previously in Ileodictyon gracile. Two other truffle-like species, Protubera africana and Rhizopogon rodwayi, have the radial threads and co-occur with Ileodictyon gracile. Thus, the possibility that they are also young stages of Ileodictyon should be explored. Development in Ileodictyon is unusual in combining the benefit of an enclosed, hypogeal truffle-like stage, where spore production is protected from desiccation, and an epigeal lattice-stage, from which spores are dispersed by insects.


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Re: Weird Ball Thing and Other Finds From My New Locality [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19046016 - 10/28/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good find! I did slightly suspect that someone just found Stinkhorn eggs and didn't realise they were immature so invented Protubera! Haha, but I don't think it's very likely though with 12 species described. Plus with Allan poking about the genus, I wouldn't expect him to miss that kind of mistake.

Interestingly though Ileodictyon seems to still be placed within Phallaceae so if that cladogram is accurate the classifications will need a reshuffling :awesomenod:

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well, its in the Agaricomycetes Class, for sure!!!
:awelol:



When I found my weird ball I couldn't even confidently place it in Fungi!!


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