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AEL1911
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Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan?
#19034155 - 10/26/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Location: Central Japan
Elevation: 330ish Ft.
Habitat: Deciduous forest (with some pine) on a hill
Cap: The caps feels smooth but looks scaly. Of course they are still moist
Gills: Yellow (on the purplish/bluish brown cap) and on the wavy cap the gills are more or less a pale orange.
Spore print color: Yellow-orange (matches Wikipedia's example) The wavy cap and the bluish one are identical in color
Stipe: both specimens have an evidence of a ring.
Now the question is, "is it aeruginosus? Also is it active?" I'm 99% sure this isn't Gymnoplius liquiritiae (I see these often enough) I'm not sure what kind of tree this fallen log was. I actually am interested in the bluish cap. I've added pics of the dark yellow orange cap in case they are the same species. **The ruler is in centimetres**
Thanks again guys!
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Joust
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034162 - 10/26/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would send it out for microscopy, I think its either G. luteofolius, or G. purpuratus, i really want to say its the last one, but theres no way to tell from teh current info, what was the context like? colors?
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AEL1911
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: Joust]
#19034169 - 10/26/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust said: I would send it out for microscopy, I think its either G. luteofolius, or G. purpuratus, i really want to say its the last one, but theres no way to tell from teh current info, what was the context like? colors?
Context? Do you want a the pic I took of the spore print?
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034175 - 10/26/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, the flesh color of the cap.
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AEL1911
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034196 - 10/26/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The dry parts appear to be a whitish color. The moist parts are more brown. The pic wit the cut caps...the wavy more orange cap is on the top. In the spore print pic the paper on the left is orange.(I changed papers between pictures)
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034200 - 10/26/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Gymnopilus purpuratus is likely, or aeruginosus, well see what Bloodworm has to say in the morning, looks active though!
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AEL1911
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034209 - 10/26/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes it's still early in some parts of the U.S. About a microscope...I don't know anyone with one. The best I can think of is via USPS to one of you guys
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19034237 - 10/26/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i suggest bloodworm and really get on his case for an ID, i think hes like me, doesnt have enough time to go through all the collections.
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: Joust]
#19034329 - 10/26/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks a lot like G. purpuratus.
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: Gravija]
#19034662 - 10/26/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Looks a lot like G. purpuratus.
It does look similar. Would that be a first for his area?
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: lsms]
#19035037 - 10/26/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it is likely not G. aeruginosus, which does not have a striate margin. however, this species is said to be "known" from japan... i haven't been able to find any credible evidence of that though... maybe someone else can??
it "looks" a lot more like G. purpuratus, which does posses a decurved/reflexed and slightly striate margin. however, G. purpuratus is said to not have a veil... on the contrary, there are collections from switzerland that do posses velar remains on the stipe.
G. dilepis is also another possibility...maybe. it is said to be a more stout species than G. purpuratus and this observation does not support that.
honestly, it's probably none of these species... Gymnopilus in japan probably deserve a lot more attention!!
op, if you can collect them and dry them... i would love to look at them.
shoot me a pm if you are interested.
yes, for the record...they are most likely psychoactive...
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Re: Gymnopilus aeruginosus ID in Japan? [Re: bloodworm]
#19035783 - 10/26/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are so many species in that clade...Many or most are undescribed, especially in warmer climates.
Great guesses!
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AEL1911
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Well I just looked at 8 different Japanese websites that have G. aeruginosus. Looking at those photos based on the texture of the pileus, 50% match, 50% don't exactly. I assume all the pictures were taken in Japan and I'm getting a range of colors and texures. There is only one site that even lists G. purpuratus and their isn't a Japanese name for purpuratus, so I assume it's not even native.
I didn't find this in a botanical garden with introduced tree species.
Unfortunately this log was the only one I found with what I suspect to be Gymnopilus (besides liquiritiae)
I'm going to keep looking though!
Well off to the lavatory with my spore sample
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