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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19034065 - 10/26/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not to mention, from my own experience with intense/direct lighting....it does not cause pinning at any stage, colonization or fruiting.

My grain jars colonize on a shelf litterally 4-5 feet away from my light fixture which has bare bulbs with no shade, and all my tubs colonize and fruit in the same closet, with the same light setup, on the same schedule, with no early pinning.

My tubs do not pin until FAE it introduced, no matter the light levels.





I have all my stuff in the same room as well, and your jars do not pin in bright light because they are not getting the fresh air yet






There was also one instance when I moved and I had a bunch of colonizing jars that I put into storage. And in my new place I just ended up starting everything from scratch. So 5 months later I go to my storage and had forgotten all about these jars. They were now beyond fully colonized, myc climbing up the side of the jars. But not one pin in the whole bunch

Within 3 days of bringing them home and exposing them to light they were all full of pins . . . but still had no freah air


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19034069 - 10/26/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well when I see cubensis grows of his that match what I do then it would be safe to stop assuming that. I am not trying to boast,just merely point out that from what I have seen of his cubensis grows they are not on par with what I do



So what makes cubes so different from any other mushroom in regards to lighting?





I am just saying I do not think he has grown as many monotubs of cubensis as I have, that's all. He has a different style of growing


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19034070 - 10/26/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Within 3 days of bringing them home and exposing them to light they were all full of pins . . . but still had no freah air



Well this is something that would have to be seen to believe.

But still, something that happened one time, counts more as an anomaly than anything else.


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19034088 - 10/26/13 03:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Within 3 days of bringing them home and exposing them to light they were all full of pins . . . but still had no freah air



Well this is something that would have to be seen to believe.

But still, something that happened one time, counts more as an anomaly than anything else.





Well there was that time and the one time I tried to fruit a tub in total darkness just to see . . . But as you said, blocking light from the side of a monotub will not stop side pinning completely. It will reduce it though.



And just to clarify I do not by any means think I know more about mycology than RR  . I do suspect however, that I might be a little better at fruiting monotubs of cubensis


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19034389 - 10/26/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And just to clarify I do not by any means think I know more about mycology than RR  . I do suspect however, that I might be a little better at fruiting monotubs of cubensis




No doubt. 

I've never fruited a monotub of cubensis.  By the time Ohmatic built his first monotub, I was long-gone from growing cubensis and only growing edibles. Most of the advice I've given in the last decade here is a result of research into edibles which are much harder to grow.  The research into pinning properties of edibles has led to advances in mushroom growing which have resulted in far better cubensis flushes than I ever got decades ago when my scanned 35mm pictures were taken. In fact, there will be another major announcement regarding brand new changes to our mushroom farm in the next few months.

Light is definitely a pinning trigger, but its effect comes on after full colonization unless someone puts colonizing jars in direct sunlight which will cause early pinning every time.

The liner on tubs prevents the fresh air exchange around the edges.  However, I'm of mixed opinion on this one.  I've seen massive flushes from side mushrooms which easily matched the yield of wall-to-wall flushes on the top surface.  If you look at manure in a cow pasture, the cubensis almost always fruit from the edges of the pile, not on top.  It seems reaching the edges of the substrate is a natural signal for cubensis to pin, and it seems to want to do it there.
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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19034412 - 10/26/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Having to pick side pins is just such a damn pia! :lol:


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19034450 - 10/26/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you look at manure in a cow pasture, the cubensis almost always fruit from the edges of the pile, not on top.  It seems reaching the edges of the substrate is a natural signal for cubensis to pin, and it seems to want to do it there.





Never thought about that before, but it makes sense why they like to side pin so much.


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19035405 - 10/26/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im no using a monotub i had bins in a martha that arent very big should i use liner and what should i use for liner? im going o start using aluimin foil soon because i wanted a deeper substrate should i line them as well? keep in mind this is my completely first grow and those are my first pins ive ever had. Am i atleast doing alright?


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: TheSacrednessOfGeo]
    #19036136 - 10/26/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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im no using a monotub i had bins in a martha that arent very big should i use liner and what should i use for liner? im going o start using aluimin foil soon because i wanted a deeper substrate should i line them as well? keep in mind this is my completely first grow and those are my first pins ive ever had. Am i atleast doing alright?





Yes you are definitely doing alright for your first grow. Better than I did my first grow. I would not use foil if I were you. Myc can apparently eat through it and it gets kinda messed up and hard to handle after a couple flushes.

But if you do, you still want to line it because when the substrate sinks, plastic liner will shrink with it. This prevents air from getting down there and causing side pins.

As was discussed you could use clear or black. I like to use black because I feel it helps a little.

When you pick them you can soak for around 6 hours, drain, then put back in fruiting and should have a second pinset in a few days.
Also make sure you dry/store them good so you do not ruin all your hard work


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19037098 - 10/26/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Then why don't you use a white liner to reflect more light?


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19037144 - 10/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Then why don't you use a white liner to reflect more light?




Because I dont want it to reflect light. I want it black so it absorbs ALL light and puts out no light whatsoever on either side  :shrug:


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19037163 - 10/26/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've noticed a lot of threads NAH posts on becomes debates and deters from the original posts, this one not so much, but cant we all just get along?


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19037816 - 10/26/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

okay here they are now the veils broke completely should i let them grow a while longer or pick them now? and by soaking do you mean submerged in water? if so does it need to be distilled? thanks for all the feedback this is helping me tremendously



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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19037828 - 10/26/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

and for the liner can it be a garbage bag? and how would i serilize it?


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: TheSacrednessOfGeo]
    #19038607 - 10/26/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You could pretty much pick them any time now pretty much. With penis envy you cannot take a spore print, only a swab, so you might want to get into cloning if you want to preserve your culture




Yes it could be a garbage bag. And there is really no way to sterilize it, but at that stage the myc will have somewhat of an immune system to fight off contams. That is why you can open it and mist,fan it every day without getting contams.

I just put the inside of the bag facing up because I figure it was less exposed to outside spores during production and packing


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19038635 - 10/26/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

now when you say to preserve my culture why couldnt i countinuosly just do rye to rye which is what im trying to accomplish now. would that be innefective? and what do i do after a cotton swab i havent got much into that.


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: TheSacrednessOfGeo]
    #19038919 - 10/27/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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now when you say to preserve my culture why couldnt i countinuosly just do rye to rye which is what im trying to accomplish now. would that be innefective? and what do i do after a cotton swab i havent got much into that.





Well if youre doing grain to grain with rye that works, if you clone a mushroom you could get better yields.

You would need a sterile cotton swab(q-tip) and rub it up in the gills, then quickly put it into a ziplock baggie. Then when I make the spore syringe I will wipe the surface of the plastic bag with alcohol and stick the needle right through the plastic and squirt water onto the q-tip with the spores and rub it to knock some loose, then suck the water back up.

I didnt order sterile cotton swabs so I just threw some q-tips into a jar and pressure cooked it


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19039126 - 10/27/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

and that is actually the process for cloning? so if i did that it would be not the same but similar to agar?


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: TheSacrednessOfGeo]
    #19039155 - 10/27/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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and that is actually the process for cloning? so if i did that it would be not the same but similar to agar?





No not at all, that is just how you get spores from penis envy. You should definitely use the search and read all you can about cloning before you try it


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Re: when do i pick?? [Re: TheSacrednessOfGeo]
    #19039157 - 10/27/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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okay here they are now the veils broke completely should i let them grow a while longer or pick them now? and by soaking do you mean submerged in water? if so does it need to be distilled? thanks for all the feedback this is helping me tremendously







Yes submerged, tap water will work


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