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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
#19031907 - 10/25/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AWS said: My step grandfather had the company limo pick him up and drive him to the airport where the company jet flew him 2000 miles to the the top skin cancer doctor in the country. Then flew him back the same day. I want my insurance to do that.
I don't want mine to. That guy doesn't need insurance.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
#19031911 - 10/25/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Is journalism becoming more balanced?
IMO it's not really about balance, Fox News is just following CNN's example, too absurd to be taken seriously. Did you see Shep's new newsroom? The political climate is changing and Fox is standing still, since it found an effective business model. It was never about conservatism in the first place, they just nailed down a fleeting untapped demand for the starchiest news in town.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
#19031915 - 10/25/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
You're missing the larger point though. How many 20 year olds do you know that have never been to the hospital? That alone should tell you that insurance is a necessity even among young people. I've known uninsured people who were supposedly "healthy" in all aspects, who broke some bones skateboarding or bike riding, or suddenly developed epilepsy, and the hospital bills were well in the $20,000-$50,000+ range. One of the people I know with a broken bone was required to get surgery, but was uninsured, so couldn't afford the $20,000 operation. Consequently, his left arm remains crooked and doesn't bend all the way.
Is it really "American freedom" when you have to declare bankruptcy or go broke or ruin your credit score because of an expensive hospital bill you couldn't afford because you were uninsured?
And then there are many young people who would like health insurance, but work in industries that do not offer insurance. Maybe they are servers in the food industry, or professional dancers, or private golf teachers, or whatever. These people don't make a whole lot of money, and they can't afford individual plans. And these people could very well have families, but they make just enough so that they don't qualify for Medicaid.
Additionally, I don't know what age you would consider "young," but due to the obesity epidemic in this country, people are suffering from a hoard of health problems as young as 35. Diabetes probably being the biggest one. Supposedly over 11% of people between the ages of 20 and 60 suffer from diabetes.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
#19031942 - 10/25/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court 
do you have any idea how many passed laws are unconstitutional?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
#19031986 - 10/25/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I believe this is wrong. I believe lots of college students do qualify for medicaid as long as they are not listed as somebody else's dependent
This is incorrect. I know this because I tried applying for medicaid twice, once while I was in college and once when I was not in college (but was working under the table making roughly $800 a month, which I declared as my income). Both times I was denied medicaid, and I was not a dependent either of these times.
I also knew of a college student who was PREGNANT and didn't even qualify for medicaid or food stamps, because she was receiving $5K a semester in grants. I thought that was pretty terrible.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
#19032009 - 10/25/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AWS said: I went directly to the insurance company for my obamacare. I had to get it because the state insurance company is closing, so my policy expires 12/31/13.
I get two companies to choose from. One company gets you the getto hospitals and doctors and the other gets you the good doctors and hospitals but it costs more.
They can't tell me the premiums for the gold plan but the bronze is $312 and the silver is $377. They don't have platinum. I will probably be paying more than $377 for the gold. I was paying $777.
"I was paying $777."
For what type of coverage exactly?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: qman]
#19032074 - 10/25/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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closed veil said: "I was paying $777."
For what type of coverage exactly?
Just basic medical. I got stuck in the state high risk pool for the wretchedly uninsurable. When I quit my job I couldn't find any decent insurance due to pre-existing conditions. I was 38 at the time. I have been on it for 12 years. It is pretty good insurance.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19032110 - 10/25/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: I just want to buy insurance for my kidneys, uterus, teeth and liver.
If you dont mind me asking how does one insure their uterus?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
#19032120 - 10/25/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lloyds of London will insure almost anything for the right price.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
#19032171 - 10/25/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How come Lloyds of London is one of the least known types of insurance if they will insure pretty much anything? Ive heard Lloyds of London will pretty much insure anything for the right price, if you want your shoe laces insured they will insure it. But because its so seldomly used except as some form of exotic insurance for example kidnap insurance, I always sort of thought Lloyd of Londons insurance motto was more "we will insure anything for the right price someone else isnt insuring"
I know how great Lloyds is for example they will insure a marijuana crop. But I dont find them insuring most things that are practical. Of course, when you need something insured, when is it practical anyway?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19032180 - 10/25/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
learn to read, they'll be exempted from having to have insurance and exempted from fines for not having it, as I asked, where's their medical coverage?
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For starters, if it's a family supporting itself on $450 a week it's likely they are already eligible for Medicaid, which is why they are not required to purchase the insurance
except that's absolutely false, I should know, maybe if I were a woman, maybe if I were some ethnicity or another, maybe if I was here illegally like Obama's aunt then I'd have qualified but being a father and primary custodial parent of 2 dependent children I was turned down for medicaid even though my income over the last 3 years was $5700, $5000 and $1500 for the entire year... how was it I didnt qualify?
how about talking out of your ass a bit more and doing as you always do and not providing any proof of your uninformed claims once again
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zappaisgod said: I believe this is wrong. I believe lots of college students do qualify for medicaid as long as they are not listed as somebody else's dependent
This is incorrect. I know this because I tried applying for medicaid twice, once while I was in college and once when I was not in college (but was working under the table making roughly $800 a month, which I declared as my income). Both times I was denied medicaid, and I was not a dependent either of these times.
I also knew of a college student who was PREGNANT and didn't even qualify for medicaid or food stamps, because she was receiving $5K a semester in grants. I thought that was pretty terrible.
so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
tell us where the poor will get their fucking coverage that obama promised them?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
#19032198 - 10/25/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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imachavel said: How come Lloyds of London is one of the least known types of insurance if they will insure pretty much anything? Ive heard Lloyds of London will pretty much insure anything for the right price, if you want your shoe laces insured they will insure it. But because its so seldomly used except as some form of exotic insurance for example kidnap insurance, I always sort of thought Lloyd of Londons insurance motto was more "we will insure anything for the right price someone else isnt insuring"
I know how great Lloyds is for example they will insure a marijuana crop. But I dont find them insuring most things that are practical. Of course, when you need something insured, when is it practical anyway?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19032220 - 10/25/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I was under the impression that poverty alone does not simply make one eligible for Medicaid, and to be eligible for Medicaid she either needs to be pregnant or with a child? Because I know that if poverty was the sole determination for eligibility, every single college student would be able to apply for Medicaid.
so here we are with people qualify but they dont qualify
how will obama guarantee they're insured
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19032634 - 10/25/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
Are you kidding me? The whole premise of the mandate was to force 20 something shmucks to sign up and fund us geezers. Otherwise it is insolvent.Quote:
You're missing the larger point though. How many 20 year olds do you know that have never been to the hospital?
Do you mean 20 somethings? Almost nobody I knew went to the hospital for anything when I was in my 20s unless it was covered by workmen's comp, which, by the way, pays the whole bill Quote:
That alone should tell you that insurance is a necessity even among young people.
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I've known uninsured people who were supposedly "healthy" in all aspects, who broke some bones skateboarding or bike riding, or suddenly developed epilepsy, and the hospital bills were well in the $20,000-$50,000+ range. One of the people I know with a broken bone was required to get surgery, but was uninsured, so couldn't afford the $20,000 operation. Consequently, his left arm remains crooked and doesn't bend all the way.
Why the fuck should sane people be expected to pay the freight for irresponsible idiots who take risks?
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Is it really "American freedom" when you have to declare bankruptcy or go broke or ruin your credit score because of an expensive hospital bill you couldn't afford because you were uninsured?
Yes. IN America you have the freedom to fail and accept the consequences therefrom. Do you really want the general population to subsidize idiot risky behavior. Fuck that.Quote:
And then there are many young people who would like health insurance, but work in industries that do not offer insurance.
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Maybe they are servers in the food industry, or professional dancers, or private golf teachers, or whatever. These people don't make a whole lot of money, and they can't afford individual plans. And these people could very well have families, but they make just enough so that they don't qualify for Medicaid.
Tough shit.Quote:
Additionally, I don't know what age you would consider "young," but due to the obesity epidemic in this country, people are suffering from a hoard of health problems as young as 35. Diabetes probably being the biggest one. Supposedly over 11% of people between the ages of 20 and 60 suffer from diabetes.
So?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
#19032799 - 10/25/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow Crystal G is starting to sound a lot like Zappa and Zappa a lot like Crystal G
At least according to the quotes
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
#19032952 - 10/25/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow Crystal G is starting to sound a lot like Zappa and Zappa a lot like Crystal G
At least according to the quotes 
Yeah, if I saw their last two exchanges without the names I'd have a hard time telling which is which. It's like freaky Friday or something up in this shit.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19033224 - 10/25/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
learn to read, they'll be exempted from having to have insurance and exempted from fines for not having it, as I asked, where's their medical coverage?
I already answered your question, that for FAMILIES who are exempt due to poverty, they are already on Medicaid and already have their medical bills covered. Which is why they are exempt from having medical coverage.
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except that's absolutely false, I should know, maybe if I were a woman, maybe if I were some ethnicity or another, maybe if I was here illegally like Obama's aunt then I'd have qualified but being a father and primary custodial parent of 2 dependent children I was turned down for medicaid even though my income over the last 3 years was $5700, $5000 and $1500 for the entire year... how was it I didnt qualify?
I actually asked this exact question at the Medicaid office... whether single fathers are eligible for Medicaid, and for some reason they said no. Only if the father is wed legally to the mother, and if the mother is eligible for Medicaid, then the entire family can get on Medicaid (including the father). Don't ask me why, for some reason Medicaid works like that.
Edit: I don't know if that changes depending on whether you can prove that you hold primary legal guardianship, though. I didn't ask any specific details, I just used the phrase "single father." I'm certain that if you proved on paper that you were the primary caregiver and the mother was nowhere in the picture you would be eligible for Medicare.
As for being an illegal immigrant, um, no. If you don't have at least a green card or a social security number you do not receive any benefits.
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zappaisgod said: so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
I didn't qualify for Medicaid because I was a single household with no dependents. Like I said earlier, to get approved for Medicare simple poverty won't necessarily guarantee you any benefits. Senior citizens, families in poverty, and women who are single mothers are given first priority.
Remember how you mentioned that this Obamacare is designated to help people who are young, single, and with no children? Yes, exactly, it's for people who don't qualify for Medicaid.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
#19033243 - 10/25/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why the fuck should sane people be expected to pay the freight for irresponsible idiots who take risks?
LOL, the example that I gave was a compound fracture that happened while the man was riding his bicycle on campus. A small child darted out in front of him, and he braked and swerved to avoid hitting the kid, did a summersault in the air, and landed on his arm. There was nothing "risky" or "irresponsible" about his behavior, he was commuting to school and work, just like many people who cannot afford to drive cars do. This sort of thing can happy to anybody.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19033272 - 10/25/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ugh, man, I'm really bummed out right now. I recently had a physical a few weeks ago, and I just received a voicemail from the doctor's office saying that I needed to come in for a follow-up appointment about my blood test results. This doctor usually doesn't make you come into the office unless your results are abnormal, so they probably found something in me. This whole health insurance thing couldn't have come at a better time--I might actually need it now.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19040035 - 10/27/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
I didn't qualify for Medicaid because I was a single household with no dependents. Like I said earlier, to get approved for Medicare simple poverty won't necessarily guarantee you any benefits. Senior citizens, families in poverty, and women who are single mothers are given first priority.
Remember how you mentioned that this Obamacare is designated to help people who are young, single, and with no children? Yes, exactly, it's for people who don't qualify for Medicaid.
I didn't say that at all. It is designed to FUCK young people with no children. It also has noting to do with Medicaid
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