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Domination and submission (nonsexual)
    #19033109 - 10/25/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you ever recognize domination and submission happening in a nonsexual light, and if so how does it make you feel? Here are some examples of what I'm talkin bout:

Ex1: On a TV show a mostly unlikable, malevolent woman uses leverage she has on one person (whom she has never met) to unfairly force them into legally committing their significant other (a likable character whom she has an agenda against) into a highly undesirable position for a large amount of time, where she will be able to physically and psychologically torture and torment the significant other (nothing crazy like mutilation because of legal reasons). Do you feel sorrow for any of the parties, joy for any of them, indifference to them all? Are you turned on or turned off at all?

Ex2: IRL a country that has been largely oppressed and held back by more powerful countries makes a move to better their position, but instead they get outplayed and are moved into an even worse position than before, and are forced to save face by publicly apologizing to the powers they were trying to usurp. You are a citizen of one of the dominant countries, do you feel sorrow for the oppressed country, joy for your own, a mix, or overall indifference?

Ex3: IRL a very charismatic and likable employee at a very competitive firm uses carefully sculpted manipulation techniques to remove potential contenders from an upcoming promotion he wants and he succeeds, resulting in the other contenders losing their jobs without notice. You work in an unrelated department where the manipulator poses no threat, but you witness the whole thing go down. Do you feel joy or pleasure for the manipulator, sorrow for the manipulated, a mix of both, or indifference?

Ex4: A woman at a bar (whom you do not know) is being quite a bitch to her man (whom you also don't know) and is very loudly and publicly embarrassing him. After waiting patiently for it to end and letting her calm down for a short second, the man fires back an epic retort that humiliates the woman so much she turns bright red and tears start to well up in her eyes. How do you feel towards the man? How about towards the woman?

Ex5: A drunken, aggressive guy at a bar relentlessly picks a fight with someone who is clearly smaller, weaker, and more reluctant to fight than him. Nobody stands up for the little guy, but out of nowhere he launches on the aggressor and beats the shit out of him, taking it way too far, leaving the aggressor with serious injuries. Do you feel any sorrow in this situation? Any jubilation?

Ex6: Your local sports team plays a trash-talking opponent, and halfway through the game it's a blowout in your team's favor. The coaches don't let up at all and massacre the other team without mercy. One of the star players for the trash-talking opponent gets a season-ending injury, and several others are looking beat, causing the other team to forfeit before the game is over. How does this make you feel?

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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033148 - 10/25/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

both things should be kept IN the bedroom. anything else, and you're possibly a big peanut headed dolt with a small penis.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 1
    #19033155 - 10/25/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dominator culture aka patriarchy is the greatest, yet most insidious evil we have ever faced as a species. :tmckenna:


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19033166 - 10/25/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Mescalean] * 2
    #19033201 - 10/25/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I seriously think that self-serving self-aggrandizers should be held to the highest degree of scrutiny and intentional mitigation possible. People who exaggerate their own worth should be punished, rather than rewarded. Rewarding this behavior is dangerous in the long term.

It was Josef Stalin who managed to climb the ranks of the Soviet bureaucracy without any personal talent or merit until he was able to commit some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. It wasn't communism that enabled this, it was simple one-upsmanship, as practiced the way only a narcissist with a complete lack of insight possibly could. Our society is full of these little Stalins; we should thank our lucky stars that our economic infrastructure is strong enough to survive the damage of their incompetence, but we should also ensure it doesn't go any further.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19033205 - 10/25/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

boy, that's ha... alot of people in that group.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19033217 - 10/25/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunately, yes.

Fuck 'em. Cut 'em off every chance you get. The future of civilization is actually at stake.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19033227 - 10/25/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Did you read any of the examples? Those are all situations beyond your control that happen in day-to-day life, you don't get to keep shit like that in the bedroom. One person is dominating another, or a group of people are, there's no denying that that is what's happening. I'm just wondering how you'd feel if you saw those situations take place.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 2
    #19033230 - 10/25/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you read any of the examples? Those are all situations beyond your control that happen in day-to-day life, you don't get to keep shit like that in the bedroom. One person is dominating another, or a group of people are, there's no denying that that is what's happening. I'm just wondering how you'd feel if you saw those situations take place.




Fucking pissed-off, and vocal.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033242 - 10/25/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you read any of the examples? Those are all situations beyond your control that happen in day-to-day life, you don't get to keep shit like that in the bedroom. One person is dominating another, or a group of people are, there's no denying that that is what's happening. I'm just wondering how you'd feel if you saw those situations take place.



i mean, that THEY should keep it in the bedroom... as in... when these events happen it's because of unchecked aggression that isn't being taken out on what invariably must be pussy.

which is because they are a little scared of being dominated by a giant dong someone else might be using more then them. key word being "might", because none of the jugheads can know about anything, past their own preconceived notions of what constitutes humanity. because they're idiots.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19033259 - 10/25/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you read any of the examples? Those are all situations beyond your control that happen in day-to-day life, you don't get to keep shit like that in the bedroom. One person is dominating another, or a group of people are, there's no denying that that is what's happening. I'm just wondering how you'd feel if you saw those situations take place.




Fucking pissed-off, and vocal.




When was the last time you called someone out in a similar situation?


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033280 - 10/25/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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RiderOnTheStorm said:
Did you read any of the examples? Those are all situations beyond your control that happen in day-to-day life, you don't get to keep shit like that in the bedroom. One person is dominating another, or a group of people are, there's no denying that that is what's happening. I'm just wondering how you'd feel if you saw those situations take place.




Fucking pissed-off, and vocal.




When was the last time you called someone out in a similar situation?




Well, there's this chick in my physics class who admitted to me (since we're on friendly terms) that she's been cheating on the homework. I'd like to brush this off, but the class is graded on a curve, I haven't gotten more than 70% on a single assignment (which is far from my average score), and I've been working my goddamned ass off. I aced the first exam with 61/105, but if cheaters are going to be fucking up this curve, I'll be screwed. Starting to think I should tell the professor; it could actually enhance my grade.

I think it's clear how I feel about this behavior; I think it's fucking noxious and should be punished. I am not the sort of person who will cheat to get ahead, but others out there are like that, and they will not only screw up my life but screw up everybody's lives if too many of them get through the filter. They should eat shit and die. :sadyes:


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19033298 - 10/25/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you find it despicable that she would bend her integrity by cheating to get a grade advantage, but you are willing to bend your integrity by ratting out a friend to take that advantage back?


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm] * 1
    #19033324 - 10/25/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So you find it despicable that she would bend her integrity by cheating to get a grade advantage, but you are willing to bend your integrity by ratting out a friend to take that advantage back?




She's not my friend, we're on "friendly terms", which means she's comfortable enough with me to admit that she's been cheating.

I'm not the one cheating. I'm the one losing sleep and pulling out my hair over getting everything just right. She's the one bullshitting her way through all this at the possible expense of my own passing grade. I understand the subject better than she does, but I might fail while she passes, both because she cheated. This type of situation is corrosive to society at large; I'll continue mucking around in general-education courses while she with her lack of competence moves onward to higher courses (and higher responsibilities) which she has already proven she cannot handle on her own.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19033359 - 10/25/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

besides, how is it bending his integrity to call out a known cheater who is making class harder to pass for everyone?


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19033480 - 10/25/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's the highest grade she has made since she started cheating, BS? If she's as incompetent as she sounds you may not have much to worry about. Can you prove it to the prof?

Do you think you'd tell the cops on the guy in Ex6, or tell management on the guy in Ex3?

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besides, how is it bending his integrity to call out a known cheater who is making class harder to pass for everyone?




*her. It's not calling out, it's ratting out. Privately telling the prof on someone you're "on friendly terms with", for confiding in you that she's cheating because she can't hack it in the class. I would not have an easy time rationalizing that one to myself, especially after getting a 39 point curve on the prior test. If she was truly against what I perceive to be dominator culture I would think she might talk to the other girl before deliberately sinking her chance at graduating college in a conscious effort to maintain her (apparently perfect) grade in the class.

She seems to be saying that if you break the rules she's going to tell on you (or at least think about it), but the examples I gave were specifically setup not to involve clearly defined rules or laws being broken.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033504 - 10/25/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i see waht you're doing, you're trying to correlate BS's example of "CALLING OUT" that cheater, with someone who is a dominator. it's a faulty correlation.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033509 - 10/25/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

RotS, have you ever been in a hard college class that was graded on a curve? My "friend" didn't start cheating until after the first exam I mentioned. So I could remain on top of the (legitimate) class but end up with a poor grade because she and God-knows-how-many others took up cheating after realizing they couldn't compete.

I didn't know her before this class; I try to be as egalitarian as possible, and I do see a course as something that "we're all in together". But she's not in it with anyone if she's willing to let her own failure to keep up with the class interfere with everybody else getting a grade that sufficiently represents their effort and aptitude.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19033535 - 10/25/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not at all, when she said "get vocal" I took it she meant that publicly speaking out against someone or a group of people when an act of social domination was happening.

Instead she gave an example of telling on another girl for cheating, which isn't really the same thing imo (I still think it's more fucked up than what I would do in that situation though). I might have a different definition of "dominator culture" than she does. OP was about grey-area instances of public social domination, not black-and-white rule violation among 2 and maybe 3 individuals.


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Re: Domination and submission (nonsexual) [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19033545 - 10/25/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you ever recognize domination and submission happening in a nonsexual light, and if so how does it make you feel?






Yes, though not like the examples you gave. Domination,submission, manipulation, acceptance, and acting is what social interaction seems to consist of, in my opinion. Often occurring in very subtle ways.


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