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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive
    #19002282 - 10/20/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So you think Obama is a Ruthless Dictator, see what a real dictator does: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/04/20/108052/-Of-Boiling-Men-Alive-In-Our-Name#

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Two nights later on ABC's World News Tonight, Craig Murray told of photos he received of an Uzbek interrogation that ended with the prisoner actually being boiled to death!

Murray, appalled, had protested to the British Foreign Office in a confidential memorandum leaked to and printed in the Financial Times on October 11 of last year:

"Uzbek officials are torturing prisoners to extract information [about reported terrorist operations], which is supplied to the U.S. and passed through its Central Intelligence Agency to the U.K., says Mr. Murray." (Emphasis added.)


Prime Minister Tony Blair quickly reacted to this undiplomatic whistle-blowing.

Craig Murray was removed as ambassador to Uzbekistan.

Uzbekistan is the sprawling badlands of a former soviet buffer state run by the merciless dictator Islam Karimov. Although Mr. Karimov has a name that makes him sound like a MacGuyver villian, he makes people who oppose him... die. Not a big purple finger waver that the Bush or Blair administration advertises widely to the American or British people during this time of 'made for TV' color-coded democratic 'revolutions'. He is just a ruthless thug willing to rent the backalleys and darkened rooms of his prisons out to the United States and her allies (at your expense) to rip people's fingernails out with pliars. When you sit down in a panic on April 15th trying to get your tax forms in the mail with the 15th postmark displayed over your crooked stamp, you might be upset that Lockheed is building a warplane you think is wasteful with your taxes. It would flay the mind and stagger the soul to imagine just how low your tax dollars can go in this world if you dig deep enough. Because, somewhere in the world, the Boston Red Sox former team plane, paid for by you and moving under vague new call signs without the owner's knowlege, may be taking a man from Lebanon (who may not be guilty of anything but being on a suspect list) to an ugly place. A spot where there is a tall metal lobster pot set beneath a halogen lamp and over a propane burner waiting for nothing more than water, its newest victim, and a struck match. Worse, it is a tub with a media section. A corner gallery for a grimy camera and a jaded photographer to keep a visual running score of the events. A photographer who has more than likely flooded a big file cabinet or two with the other 'interviews' his bosses have conducted on an 'off-the-books but substantial' U.S. dole.

There are no frills to the british embassy station there, just the basics; electricity, running water, and military security to protect you on the compound. You don't wander around outside of the compound embracing the Uzbek natives and drinking in the local culture with a Manchester United jersey on or a New England Patriots hat. Leaving the compound without an escort is a violation of security protocol. You don't want to get into a misunderstanding with the local security forces. Mr. Karimov has a secret police force that can make people evaporate like ashes in the air above a fire if it suits his whim. Its not an easy place to accept as a diplomatic assignment, but its a great place to lose somebody you want to 'cease to exist'. Most Prison facilities in Uzbekistan are Soviet era cement monoliths that were last maintained with hard Russian cash sent from Moscow prior to 1991. You don't get sent to the Uzbek capitol as a reward for a big donation to the re-election campaign of a President or a Prime Minister.

And the CIA doesn't put somebody on a plane to Uzbekistan or Syria or Libya... unless they want to spend your U.S. tax dollars to make somebody scream before they die. The absolute ruler makes a killing in the killing business. They get lots of practice on political prisoners and the head thug's potential rivals for power.




As anyone in charge of an organization can attest- shit does flow uphill.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19032511 - 10/25/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

interesting post.


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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19032812 - 10/25/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ultra-Imperialist said:
So you think Obama is a Ruthless Dictator, see what a real dictator does: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/04/20/108052/-Of-Boiling-Men-Alive-In-Our-Name#




I'm not sure claiming Obama is better than a man who boils people alive is really that much of a compliment, but I guess I'll have to give you this one.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: johnm214]
    #19032815 - 10/25/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think the point of the post was that "people have people employed all over the world to run things, when they actually do less running things, and more boiling people alive".


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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #19033873 - 10/26/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I think killing thousands of innocent people in drone strikes is considerably worse than boiling one guy alive.


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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: viktor]
    #19033899 - 10/26/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Except to that one guy. :wink:


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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: Icelander]
    #19033912 - 10/26/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i bet after boiling an arm, he'd be willing to shoot all of Iraq in the head, to save the other one.


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Re: Uzbek Dictator Boils People Alive [Re: viktor]
    #19056982 - 10/30/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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viktor said:
Actually I think killing thousands of innocent people in drone strikes is considerably worse than boiling one guy alive.




QFT. The death panels aren't in the ACA, they're in the Pentagon.


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