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Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind.
    #19031770 - 10/25/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.sciencefriday.com:8080/segment/10/25/2013/uncovering-the-brain-of-a-psychopath.html?utm_source=Science+Friday+Mailing+List&utm_camp

As I have long suspected, it may well be that nurture has a huge amount to do with how things play out in your life.

While many people can have the brain type to be a psychopath or a high degree of psychopathic tendencies (up to 15% according to this audio)  with the negative actions that can go along with this, healthy nurturing can and imo does prove the saving grace.  Check out the above audio from NPRs Science Friday and see if you agree.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19031962 - 10/25/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I remember listening to that (or a similar one, where a guy finds out he has psychopathic genes). I think its true; idk how to translate that into an application, though. Mandated parenting classes? :shrug:


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19031991 - 10/25/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never happen.  It's just interesting.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19032087 - 10/25/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yeah, I forgot you knew everything. It does seem most knowledge is transmitted socially, though. Look at the explosion of memes.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19032262 - 10/25/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what you are wearing right now. :sad:


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19032701 - 10/25/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe that the kind of person who becomes a psychopath is the same sort of person who becomes a fearless innovator if they are raised in the right environment.

Psychopathy, then, is like a double or nothing sort of deal.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: viktor]
    #19032813 - 10/25/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's my guess also.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: viktor]
    #19032948 - 10/25/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe that the kind of person who becomes a psychopath is the same sort of person who becomes a fearless innovator if they are raised in the right environment.

Psychopathy, then, is like a double or nothing sort of deal.




Some of the most skilled surgeons have the coldest, worst bedside manner. Psychopathic tendencies sublimated into socially appropriate (and lucrative) channels.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19033083 - 10/25/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Some of the most skilled surgeons have the coldest, worst bedside manner. Psychopathic tendencies sublimated into socially appropriate (and lucrative) channels.




I've noticed it in pilots, too.

It raises an interesting question that hardly anyone, in my experience, is willing to consider:

If psychopaths are the product of abuse and neglect, and many high-status jobs require the kind of mind that any psychopaths have, then is there not an incentive for parents who want high-achieving children to abuse and neglect them?

Because I have noticed that families that possess considerable inter-generational wealth usually have mothers who were very cold towards their kids. This is, of course, denied by most kids who grew up in this way, probably a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.

And I have also noticed that "high-achieving" people very often have a certain kind of self-hatred that can only be satiated with a very special effort.

Sorry if this question offends anyone, but it is worth considering in my opinion.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19033442 - 10/25/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I smell snake oil.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19033502 - 10/25/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19033713 - 10/25/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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As I have long suspected, it may well be that nurture has a huge amount to do with how things play out in your life.

While many people can have the brain type to be a psychopath or a high degree of psychopathic tendencies (up to 15% according to this audio)  with the negative actions that can go along with this, healthy nurturing can and imo does prove the saving grace.  Check out the above audio from NPRs Science Friday and see if you agree.





:thumbup:

IMO no'one is born a psychopath. I'm very interested in this subject and came to realize only in recent years a toxic person i called my best friend for most of my life fit the perfect profile of a psychopath, keeping in mind that i am also familiar with malignant narcissists.

In a way i think its a defense mechanism of sorts for those who go through traumatic experiences and/or have their trust pulled out from under them time and time again so they develop a way to stop emotionally investing anything in other people completely.

The psycho stays in a position where able to utilize people around to suit his/her needs. Whereas the loner will find its own means without having to rely on people so much. I say that because some loners also don't invest much emotionally in other people but in turn stay away from them where as the psychopath loves having a network around to do they're bidding.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: viktor]
    #19033876 - 10/26/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Some of the most skilled surgeons have the coldest, worst bedside manner. Psychopathic tendencies sublimated into socially appropriate (and lucrative) channels.




I've noticed it in pilots, too.

It raises an interesting question that hardly anyone, in my experience, is willing to consider:

If psychopaths are the product of abuse and neglect, and many high-status jobs require the kind of mind that any psychopaths have, then is there not an incentive for parents who want high-achieving children to abuse and neglect them?

Because I have noticed that families that possess considerable inter-generational wealth usually have mothers who were very cold towards their kids. This is, of course, denied by most kids who grew up in this way, probably a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.

And I have also noticed that "high-achieving" people very often have a certain kind of self-hatred that can only be satiated with a very special effort.

Sorry if this question offends anyone, but it is worth considering in my opinion.





If you bothered to watch the video abuse and neglect may have little to do with the psychopathic mind set but rather how it manifests. You seem to have missed the main thrust of my OP.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Withinity]
    #19033885 - 10/26/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Great post. I think it's worth pointing out that there's nothing wrong with a person being utterly cold-blooded and discompassionate, as long as they don't become sadistic and look to cause other people suffering.

To me it relates to attachment theory. Some people appear cold and hateful but really just have a high standard of trustworthiness. These people are usually friends for life if you can prove yourself to them.

Others appear to have high standards of trustworthiness just so that they can sadistically string you along. Life's a bitch like that.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19033890 - 10/26/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry mate I don't watch videos because I have a satellite connection and can't afford the bandwidth. I am, however, moving into civilisation for a bit starting tomorrow so if I find this thread again I'll check it out.

Always keen to learn more about psychopathy, it's one of my all-time most fascinating subjects.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: viktor]
    #19033963 - 10/26/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's worth a watch.  I also find it fascinating and I think we are just learning to appreciate the sociopath.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19034295 - 10/26/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a guy at my work who's one of the nicest guys I've met. Goes out of his way to help you all the time. He's a bit dull though. Anyway in his spare time he plays with air guns and shooter games and would like to join the army at some time. Oh well guys, it's not all psychopathy I guess. Maybe we're just plain dim.


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #19035472 - 10/26/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: drkkenny]
    #19035798 - 10/26/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/

I remember reading an article similar to this a while ago, Except it talked about how our society is fertile ground for psychopaths, with competition and cut-throat attitudes (which are no doubt by-products of capitalism).

drkkenny: I agree that toxic environments produce F'ed up people but when you were explaining how you communicate with people all I could hear as I was reading was the boss from office space. Though I'm sure you don't sound like that. It was just my interpretation. :crazy2:


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Re: Nature vs Nurture and the psychopathic mind. [Re: Neller]
    #19036083 - 10/26/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I think it could be capitalism that's the byproduct of psychopathy.


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