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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19030789 - 10/25/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: lighthouse09]
#19030798 - 10/25/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lighthouse09 said: yes its supposed to be free if you make that much and yes i am glad to let taxes pay for it with the fucked up way we run this horrible country rich dont care or understand theres people that got no way to better themselves ive been there andthis is actually helping and yes id gladly pay 25%40% taxes if everyone got healthcare and we started actually helping the poor and homeless instead of pointing fingers.. i do know and i love it there B-boy so suck a bag of dicks
AHHH you Libtards always show your true colors when it comes to facts. FACTS? OMG what does that mean? How can i google a fact? Help me help me, give me, give me Dear great Muslim leader of our nation please help me with some facts.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19030801 - 10/25/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: I will perform surgery on myself if need be.
My fiance got 7 stitches in his thumb sometime last year and even with insurance he still got a bill for over 2k dollars. Retarddddeddddddd I could've given him stitches for cheap
Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19030842 - 10/25/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
Basically if you do the math, then if your household income is $2,000 then you aren't required to purchase insurance if it will cost over $160 a month. Which is roughly the amount it would have cost anyway to get on your employer's health insurance plan. And people who are satisfied with their employer's plan aren't required to switch. This plan is perfect for people who have crappy insurance plans, or work in industries that don't offer health insurance (i.e. food service). And of course, for people with pre-existing conditions. Yea, what a shame that this program is actually going to help people who work and make an honest living but can't afford access to good medical care.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19030865 - 10/25/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well we do live in a society do you know what that is?? It's where people live together and help the all of us succeed together instead of the i make mine fuck the rest mentality republicans have of "lets help ourselves but i dont know about the gays/poor/other races/women/anyone not like me basically " that has to end we are all one race of humans lets not pick and choose like assholes we help inmates with better healthcare than some of the poor thats fucked up?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031036 - 10/25/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: No, you and your boyfriend are not considered a "household" simply because you two live together, unless you have a civil union or something that is legally recognized.
funny, my girlfriend is listed om my insurance as a domestic partner, are liberal states such as california that opposed to gay marriage or unmarried couples that they dont allow these options for their citizens?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19031070 - 10/25/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pris has a girlfriend?? I thought you said you hadnt had a girlfriend in years in another thread?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031081 - 10/25/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
so that would leave how many millions of people uninsured, wasnt the whole point of obamacare to make sure that 45 million people that couldnt afford insurance were still covered... did you say it was to make sure that everyone had healthcare coverage since we know that obamacare isnt insurance
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Crystal G said: You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you.
now post the section of the bill that provides free insurance or health care coverage for the poor, not tax breaks at the end of the year, not the option to opt out of insurance still leaving people uninsured
then read this and tell us how being poor and getting to opt out of insurance and fines for failure to comply falls under the equal protection of all citizens when those with means are forced to comply of face penalties this is your constitutional lawyers at work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
#19031092 - 10/25/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: pris has a girlfriend?? I thought you said you hadnt had a girlfriend in years in another thread?
I hadnt, but I do now... been seeing each other for several months and while she maintains her apartment she pretty much lives with me
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031101 - 10/25/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Basically if you do the math, then if your household income is $2,000 then you aren't required to purchase insurance if it will cost over $160 a month. Which is roughly the amount it would have cost anyway to get on your employer's health insurance plan.
hahahaha... you clearly dont know dick about insurance
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19031164 - 10/25/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pris and his girlfren sittin in a tree talkin politics an smokin tha tree
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031165 - 10/25/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
hahahaha... you cant 'go on' obamacare
maybe you should check the rates, the platinum coverage which covers 90% for you would be around $300, more than it would be through an employer offering similar coverage, now catastrophic coverage which covers less than 60% would be in the $150 range for an individual.
coverage provided by Humana National Preferred Platinum 1000/1500 Plan https://www.healthcare.gov/find-premium-estimates/
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
#19031180 - 10/25/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: pris and his girlfren sittin in a tree talkin politics an smokin tha tree
I dont smoke right now
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
#19031422 - 10/25/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: The bias starts from the top and goes all the way down there have been emails leaked before insisting anchors "emphasize" the right wing agenda however you want to interpret that.
Link?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: s240779]
#19031429 - 10/25/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
Can someone fill in a someone who hasn't been following on the mechanics of Obamacare?
Nobody can fill anybody in on the mechanics of ObamaCare. Least of all Obama.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Can-i-bus]
#19031433 - 10/25/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can-i-bus said:
That sucks. If anybody needs mental health coverage, it's you.

Is this a flame?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031441 - 10/25/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you. For instance, if you make under $50K a year, the health insurance that you purchase will be tax-deductible, essentially making your health insurance almost free. Additionally, it is now illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to anybody for pre-existing conditions.
If you really think about it, this bill is a good thing for people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged. Who do you think is going to comp the bill if you suffer some sort of injury or illness and receive a $50,000 hospital bill? Do you really prefer the type of "freedom" where you have to file for bankruptcy and have your credit score ruined just to be able to acquire good health?
The cost of healthcare is outrageously expensive in this country. Nobody should have to pay $8,000 just to deliver a baby in the hospital (and that's normal vaginal delivery, no C-sections, with no complications), or pay $2,000,000 to treat cancer. A $30 copay for a doctor's visit is reasonable; a $300 out of pocket cost for an office visit is not.
Obamacare relies 100% on forcing the group that has the least need for health insurance, young healthy people, to buy a product that is of little value to them. It is fucking YOU over
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
#19031446 - 10/25/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
Yes. The fines vary but are cheaper than compliance
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031453 - 10/25/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
They already had medicaid and medicare. They are irrelevant to Obamacare and the mandate.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19031460 - 10/25/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
hahahaha... you cant 'go on' obamacare
maybe you should check the rates, the platinum coverage which covers 90% for you would be around $300, more than it would be through an employer offering similar coverage, now catastrophic coverage which covers less than 60% would be in the $150 range for an individual.
coverage provided by Humana National Preferred Platinum 1000/1500 Plan https://www.healthcare.gov/find-premium-estimates/
Yes, but I am just under the $45,000 bracket which means that I can apply the health insurance I get as a tax deduction. So in the long term = beneficial for me.
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Prisoner#1 said: now post the section of the bill that provides free insurance or health care coverage for the poor, not tax breaks at the end of the year, not the option to opt out of insurance still leaving people uninsured
then read this and tell us how being poor and getting to opt out of insurance and fines for failure to comply falls under the equal protection of all citizens when those with means are forced to comply of face penalties this is your constitutional lawyers at work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
For starters, if it's a family supporting itself on $450 a week it's likely they are already eligible for Medicaid, which is why they are not required to purchase the insurance--they are already covered. What Obamacare does is make insurance eligible for those who cannot afford their premiums and stand to go broke if some type of catastrophe were to happen, and are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid.
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