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Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem?
#19030465 - 10/25/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I recall first time I posted here it was said to me that this is a rather close community. Well I need that. I need some support. I am not on ketamine yet.(That requires travel and in no way am I in any shape to travel as much as I want to get on it). I have been having such a hard time with this benzo taper. No sleep, weak legs, panic, depressed. Truly, it is awful. Anyway I need to talk to someone on here just for support. And if there is anyone else out there who successfully made it off this class of medications please let me know. I am so glad I found this site, so glad I was told it was a close community. I feel rather alone.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19030469 - 10/25/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I went through seizures getting off benzos years ago. Worst time of my life.
Good luck.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19030478 - 10/25/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes like 15 years ago I also had seizures c/t Xanax. I wish I never would have gotten on them again but I was getting awful panic attacks (that are of course worse now than the original ones)...wish I never would have touched them again. But I did and I guess I have to deal with this taper best I can. It is just so frustrating.
-------------------- Kicked drinking 11 years ago. Took excess of 9 Norco 10/325 a day Tapering 2.5 Klonopin weekly Want off it all forever!
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga] 1
#19030501 - 10/25/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A guy in my recovery group successfully quit benzos. (was doing 3-5 bars a day + alcohol)
He said the first week was pretty rough, and actually experienced seizures on his 2nd or 3rd day clean.
It's been 12 days for him now and he's finally getting good sleep.
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VivaLaMushie said: I went through seizures getting off benzos years ago. Worst time of my life.
Yeah guy said the seizures were the worst experience of his life.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19030505 - 10/25/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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good luck. I've never had to taper from benzos but I've got addiction issues. This community can either help or hurt, depending on which parts of it you use. stay out of the ODD, especially the CA thread
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19030515 - 10/25/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what's your current consumption?
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19034396 - 10/26/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi all...I am around 55mg Valium right now. God it is so high. I slept one hour last night...cannot sleep at ALL! Driving me crazy. Wish I never would have touched them...they were not recreational for me. But I did, and I have to keep tapering. And keep talking to you all!
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034399 - 10/26/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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did you know its virtually impossible to OD on benzos if you dont mix them with other drugs??
go nuts kids
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: NWlight]
#19034420 - 10/26/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You cannot o/d on them. I am almost positive. Only one I could think of is temazepam. It is so strong. But I am almost positive there is no benzo o/d without other drugs in the mix. And for me right now there is not!
-------------------- Kicked drinking 11 years ago. Took excess of 9 Norco 10/325 a day Tapering 2.5 Klonopin weekly Want off it all forever!
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034429 - 10/26/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I went through a xanax taper last year over the course of 3 months. Record your dosages and decrease in increments that suit your situation. Benzo withdrawls can be dangerous but usually only cold turkey. The Symptoms of withdrawl are long lasting even once your fully tapered. It will take months to feel yourself again. stay on track, don't look back. I have faith in you. Positivity.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034432 - 10/26/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They have whole forums dedicated to benzo withdrawals.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034437 - 10/26/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I quit klonopin a few years ago. I am trying to quit xanax right now. It seems harder than Klonopin. I am on 3 mg a day. I am not real worried about it. I will quit when my life is less stressful.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034438 - 10/26/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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girlfromga said: You cannot o/d on them. I am almost positive. Only one I could think of is temazepam. It is so strong. But I am almost positive there is no benzo o/d without other drugs in the mix. And for me right now there is not!
WRONG!! You can od on caffeine and water. Anything in excess will kill. True the majority of cases include benzos and opiates. Valium has an LD50 of 1240mg in rats.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: T-Rex]
#19034448 - 10/26/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The xanax LD50 in rats is 331-2171 mg/kg. I would have to take at least 29,000 mg if I was I giant rat.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19034731 - 10/26/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm attaching an ebook called "Worse Than Heroin" to this post. Check it out, it's all about benzo addiction. You may get some useful info from it.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: AWS]
#19035404 - 10/26/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
AWS said: The xanax LD50 in rats is 331-2171 mg/kg. I would have to take at least 29,000 mg if I was I giant rat.
so it really was pointless for me to be hospitalized when I took 24 xanax bars
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: morrowasted]
#19035444 - 10/26/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you a giant rat?
I don't know I just copied that from wikipedia. Ask drkenny, he's a doctor.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: AWS]
#19035462 - 10/26/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AWS said: The xanax LD50 in rats is 331-2171 mg/kg. I would have to take at least 29,000 mg if I was I giant rat.
LD50s don't quite work like that. Half the rats die from taking less than the LD50, so it does not really tell you anything about the minimum lethal dose except that it must be lower. The LD1 or 0.1 would be better indicators of a minimum lethal dose, if they're available.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: psi]
#19035491 - 10/26/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They don't publish the ld01 do they?
I just look up the max therapeutic dosage for what I am taking and try to stay under that.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: AWS]
#19035514 - 10/26/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends on the substance I think, but it seems to be much more common to see the LD50 available. I just wanted to make the point that misinterpreting the LD50 as a minimum lethal dose could potentially be a fatal mistake for someone. The max therapeutic dosage thing seems like a much safer way to go.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19035584 - 10/26/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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girlfromga said: Hi all...I am around 55mg Valium right now.
for the next 2 weeks you need to be on a 40mg schedule, not all at once, you want half in the morning and the rest through the day, after 2 weeks, drop back to 30mg for a couple of weeks. from there, do a 5mg reduction every 2 weeks until you're at 5mg per day, then cut that by half and then stop
it's a difficult task but I have faith that you can stick to this schedule
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19035865 - 10/26/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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girlfromga said: You cannot o/d on them. I am almost positive. Only one I could think of is temazepam. It is so strong. But I am almost positive there is no benzo o/d without other drugs in the mix. And for me right now there is not!
nah i said it's virtually impossible. you still can but it takes a pretty ridiculous amount if you don't mix it with other depressants.
you're more likely to kill yourself from doing something stupid while on them
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: NWlight]
#19035876 - 10/26/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Temazapam is weak compared to clonazapam or alprazalam. It is considered more of a sedative hypnotic than a benzo, and mainly prescribed for sleep. For Benzo W/D u need Phenobarbital. At least thats what is generally given in a hospital setting IME
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: girlfromga]
#19035904 - 10/26/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tamazepam is what valum breaks down into. Valum is twice as strong as tamazepam.
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Re: Anyone Else Got a Benzo Taper Problem? [Re: huffinglue]
#19173731 - 11/22/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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doc from wa. had pethidine and serious diazepam (100mg+/day) problems in my early years. it's a hard road - no other drug i have ever had a tolerance to is more difficult to come off. pethidine and methadone was a walk in the park compared to diazepam. find a sympathetic doctor (one you can really talk to) especially one who specializes in addiction medicine (there are quiet a few around). be completely honest about how much you take. it's a long and gradual process but you and your doc can work out a schedule that will slowly allow you to reduce you dosage without going round the bend with overwhelming anxiety and so on. enter into an agreement with your doc that you promise to only ever see him/her for benzos - i.e. promise you'll never see another doc for scripts. arrange for your pharmacist to only dispense what you how been scheduled for i.e. get your doc to write scripts that specify exactly when and how much can be filled so you don't have excess pills lying around that are too tempting to take. get small amounts of pills at a time, say 4-5 days worth. some of the new SSRI anti-depressants can also help. Likewise, drugs called beta-blockers (e.g. propranolol) help with the physical symptoms like racing heart and sweats. be careful not to substitute alcohol for diazepam. try and get at least some exercise each day - doesn't have to be much but it really does help. it will take at least a few months but if you reduce in a controlled and per-determined way then it's very possible. when you are completely off them you'll look back and realise what a blur they make your life. i wish you the very best and i'm sure that with determination, some great and understanding friends and a good doc you'll get there. christian
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