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Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious?
    #19022566 - 10/23/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This has been a theory of mine ever since my first mushroom trip. Every time I've taken shrooms it felt and looked like I was dreaming and acid has felt like I was lucid dreaming, like walking around in my own dream world. I mean, are dreams our "inner" world. Also they have shown me that reality is just a illusion, like the matrix, just codes upon codes upon codes that our mind creates. What do you guys think?


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: HazeSrains]
    #19022701 - 10/23/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

could be if look to see it as that.

psychedelic trips is a phrase used to describe alternate mind states evoked through use of chemicals, yoga, meditation, or like other techniques.  the word 'psychedelic' was coined by Humphry Osmond in response to a letter from Aldous Huxley.

'To fathom Hell or soar angelic,
Just take a pinch of psychedelic'

in respect for the printing, psychedelic would refer to chemically induced state of mind.

conscious, sub-conscious, dream state, wake state, the furthur out, furthur in.  infinite possibilities there to come to concrete foothold.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: HazeSrains]
    #19022724 - 10/23/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Muffinman1552] * 1
    #19023285 - 10/24/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, psychedelics are nothing like dreaming while conscious. That's called delirium and it can be very scary if you don't know what you're in for.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: healing]
    #19023458 - 10/24/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

is waking life just a dream while conscious? :woah:


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: cez]
    #19024118 - 10/24/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

there are no dreams.. there is just is... when you die its what truly is..


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19024663 - 10/24/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been practicing OBEs without drugs via rob manrows method,some times I dream wile I'm still contous.... Dreams are very different from tripping, in lucidity you can console your dreams, I some times can console my visuals but not 100%


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: HazeSrains]
    #19024767 - 10/24/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: spixce]
    #19025081 - 10/24/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From a brain chemistry perspective, the answer is mostly "no."  I'm really not qualified to write very much on this, but my understanding is that psychedelics -- different ones in different ways -- rearrange cognitive functioning so that you experience an (otherwise impossible? -- IDK) combination of slumber, wakefulness, and exaggerated awareness.  IOW certain parts of your brain are acting as though asleep; other parts are awake; other parts are greatly heightened in sensitivity.  Psychedelics allow various groups of switches that naturally should be "on" or "off" together to be separated; and then they turn these switches "on" and "off" in unnatural combinations.

If you're up for a (very interesting) hour of this sort of stuff, try here:



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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Gratuitous Grace]
    #19028528 - 10/24/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so god hates when we fuck with our switches?


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19028577 - 10/24/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No. Conscious dreaming is lucid dreaming.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #19029255 - 10/25/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No. Conscious dreaming is lucid dreaming.




OP asked about dreaming while conscious. You are talking about being conscious while dreaming. There is a very big difference.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: HazeSrains]
    #19029514 - 10/25/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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HazeSrains said:
This has been a theory of mine ever since my first mushroom trip. Every time I've taken shrooms it felt and looked like I was dreaming and acid has felt like I was lucid dreaming, like walking around in my own dream world. I mean, are dreams our "inner" world.




Yes, you are right with respect to this. Psychedelics let you enter the realm of the unconscious while awake. Dreams are 'just' another manifestation of the unconscious.

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Also they have shown me that reality is just a illusion, like the matrix, just codes upon codes upon codes that our mind creates. What do you guys think?




Careful there, brother. Our physical universe is as real as anything can be. That is to say it is not just a projection of the unconscious (but your subjective experience of it is!).
This can be derived from the fact that it's existence is independent of your human existence. However, obviously, your human existence is very much dependent on it.

Safe Travels. :mushroom2:


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19030016 - 10/25/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the point is all of this could be an illusion..including me typing this to "you"

nerve endings could be fake

our senses could be fake

we could have invisible strings attached to us while other beings are choosing our every move

we are on auto pilot... our beliefs are what allow us to believe we are in control but you can't prove other wise.. time only moves ONE WAY so you can't move in a grid like pattern to test theories without lineage.

you can only move straight... at 10:31 until beyond.. you cant go back to 10:27 and choose a different path... that I guess would prove total control..

gravity is math.. all of the planets moving in space while the universe expands simultaneously... its clock work... but not that "10:31" clock i'm looking at.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19030092 - 10/25/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: HazeSrains]
    #19030297 - 10/25/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have used the concept of dreaming while awake to try to explain the psychedelic experience to people who have never had it, but it's not really that accurate IMO.  My dreams are not really like tripping at all, although tripping can be "dreamy".  :lol:  Ok, did I just say nothing at all?


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19032117 - 10/25/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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so god hates when we fuck with our switches?



Hmmm ... taking what you've given me to work with, the answer is: "in a way, yes." But, let's not be dense.

The better answer would probably come at the end of a very, very long conversation on neurochemistry (in which neither one of us would be competent to participate) ... at which point we'd decide that "god hates" when we allow into our bodies chemicals that permit us to entertain utterly useless sensory information and fuck with our biological drive to propagate the species.  He thought he had a lock on that one. :wink:

But, not even understanding your question -- or where it comes from -- I probably shouldn't have answered...


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Gratuitous Grace]
    #19032172 - 10/25/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

god made satan, satan was an angel, satan is the great deceiver..

we are to obey laws... i guess? so shutting off switches and turning on other ones break the law? the more to tamper the further you slip? despite "enlightenment" and/or "spiritual enlightenment" its all a trap/trick?


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19032264 - 10/25/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What are these 'switches' you are going on about? and what would an all knowing entity get out of tricking/trapping a simple human being? why would we be given the option to break these 'laws'. I honestly don't get where you're coming from.


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Re: Are psychedelic trips just dreams while conscious? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19032271 - 10/25/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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god made satan, satan was an angel, satan is the great deceiver..

we are to obey laws... i guess? so shutting off switches and turning on other ones break the law? the more to tamper the further you slip? despite "enlightenment" and/or "spiritual enlightenment" its all a trap/trick?




Angels have no free will. They are direct extensions of God himself. The devil is a piece of God, just as you are, but you can make decisions that can either get you into heaven, purgatory or hell.

Unlike you Satan does not get to choose how he behaves. He is outcast and debased by God.  He is the king of liars, but only because that is the purpose for which God created him.

How can you tell if what you are doing is in the name of God or Satan? What if Satan actually wrote The Bible, thereby creating the ultimate lie? What if The Bible has damned you? To the point, we can never know if psychedelics are good or evil according to christianity.

Lucky for me, I don't believe in any of that bullshit. The BIble is just a book, nothing more. But it has been hypothesized that it was written by the members of a mushroom cult a few hundred years after the idea of this particular messiah martyred for the sins of all was invented. There have been many that predate the myth of Jesus. In fact, the idea was directly stolen from other earlier cultures.


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