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Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed
    #19029779 - 10/25/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

After 3 failed attempts at bulk I was desperado for for some fruit so I settled for a pf cake grow and now feel ready to go back and win the fight against bulk

I have putting together in my head all the mistakes that were made along those failed attempts so they wont be repeated again and hopefully this will be getting me closer to success

Now I would like to share these below with you guys so we can review them

1-The first project was spawning some quart jars of whole feed corn to some past hpoo

The mistake here was that since I never shaked the jars tru colonization, when I thought they were 100% and shook them before spawning they were not ready inside but I spwand them any way

the tubs with the hpoo and corn spawn dint show any signs of colonization after a week and started smelling like rotten banana and that was the end of the fist project

2-For the second project the plan was to spawn 2x 2pound rye berry bags to some hpoo but too much spore solution was used(10ccs per bag) and the rye bags contamed away

3-Now for the third attempt I had 6 quart jars of whole LGBR to spwan to hpoo, the rice was not properly drained and dried before loding the jars

at first they were colonising fine until they stopped before getting a hold of the bottom because there was some water pooling.


Now for the next project I think im going the popcorn route but gonna make sure to shake and wait till its truely 100% before spawning

Any input is much appreciated

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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029792 - 10/25/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Stop using Hpoo for now IMO

use CVG its much more forgiving for a starter bulk grow


Hpoo is hard to work with due to it high nutritional value and being very easy to contam and harder to pasteurize properly


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Kalypto]
    #19029805 - 10/25/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stop using Hpoo for now IMO

use CVG its much more forgiving for a starter bulk grow


Hpoo is hard to work with due to it high nutritional value and being very easy to contam and harder to pasteurize properly




cool thanks,

what is CVG?

I was also looking at this bulk tek on the archives here which spawns to coir only , I might look into that too

Thanks!


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029810 - 10/25/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Coir verm Gypsum is CVG


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Kalypto]
    #19029824 - 10/25/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice:thumbup:

I'll check it out, I guess thats better then straight coir huh?


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029835 - 10/25/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Straight coir is kinda lame to me

Verm helps it grow a bit faster and hold some more water

Gypsum give nutrients in a high density

Coir by it self work and is cheaper

you can buy a brick of coir easily for under 5$

While verm your gonna spend 20-30 on a bag

Same for gypsum , but these bages will last you like 20 tubs


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Kalypto]
    #19029857 - 10/25/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

cool,

Another question how is the prep compared to straight coir? do u have to drain/strain it after pasteurization like the poo?

I remeber in the straight coir tek the prep looked so easy

just add a gallon of hot water 160degree to a brick of coir in a bucket and leave it close until it cools down, that was all, or at least he dint mentioned the draining part and im missing out on it lol


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029870 - 10/25/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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cool,

Another question how is the prep compared to straight coir? do u have to drain/strain it after pasteurization like the poo?

I remeber in the straight coir tek the prep looked so easy

just add a gallon of hot water 160degree to a brick of coir in a bucket and leave it close until it cools down, that was all, or at least he dint mentioned the draining part and im missing out on it lol



I pasteurize mine , I built mine from my pc and 20$, but that has always left it with perfect moisture content


But I think its easy I just put room water with the coir brick till i can break it all down with my hands

ADD verm and gypsum

Mix

Put in Pillowcase

Pasteurize


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029887 - 10/25/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I buy 110 liter bags of verm from a hydroponics shop for $40, that's enough to do 45-50 coir verm monos. I don't add gypsum to my sub either, just in the grain soak water, along with dilute coffee. IMO it really helps with the moisture content and colonization times.

OP I recommend ditching the popcorn. Has high endospore counts so it requires a longer sterilization time and its large grain size gives far fewer nock points meaning your spawn run will take a lot longer. Use rye or WBS for faster, better results. I always had much higher rates of contam when using popcorn.


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19029936 - 10/25/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All right thank you all

I will get some wbs then instead of corn

PastyWhite did you mentioned you use the same water used to hydrate your grains along with some dilute coffee to pasteurize your poo less sub? Eg. CVG

just wanted to make sure I got that right

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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19029994 - 10/25/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bring your substrate to field capacity and pastuerize in bags or jars would probably work better than draining at least IME.  If you wanna do coir the bucket tek works for some


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19030005 - 10/25/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bring your substrate to field capacity and pastuerize in bags or jars would probably work better than draining at least IME.  If you wanna do coir the bucket tek works for some




Although the bucket isn't true pasteurization, I wish I had never even tried it.

Use a proper pasteurization tek in jars or bags boiling water on the stove.


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: rumfor69]
    #19030030 - 10/25/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think it matter how you do it as long as you meet the requirements


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: rumfor69]
    #19030056 - 10/25/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Great!

Sounds a lot more easier to bring the sub to field capacity and load it to jars

from there could I just PC it? That would be sterilizing tho not pasteurizing, right?

Im guessing if the sub was poo based this would maybe destroy some nutes but since we are using nute less coir here i guess it dont matter, am I right?

Thanks again you r all being very helpful


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19030069 - 10/25/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: rumfor69]
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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Kalypto]
    #19030127 - 10/25/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh good,

heard jars and automatically thought about PCing them

but now I see you just need a pasteurization bath, very cool

thanks for the links


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19030215 - 10/25/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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PastyWhite did you mentioned you use the same water used to hydrate your grains along with some dilute coffee to pasteurize your poo less sub?



Naw I just use plain old tap to pasteurize. Pasteurizing in jars at field capacity = :thumbup:


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: Kalypto]
    #19030269 - 10/25/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844/fpart/1/vc/1

This has jars in the tek if you wanna do jars





Yep, this is how I've always done it (pasteurized) and it works great because it's exact and you always know what temp range you're in.

As a matter of fact, just read all of Frank's teks and do it all his way to start out with - it will save you lots of trial & error wastes of time :thumbup:  I feel extremely fortunate to have stumbled across his posts when I first came to the shroomery and got started!


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Re: Next Bulk Attempt after 3 failed [Re: PsiLisaBin]
    #19030278 - 10/25/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I pasteurize with this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=123193&F_Board=2&Thread=16932590&Main=16932590

which is another thing I'm always told I'm doing wrong by TC's even though 

I love it and can pasteurize 5 mono tubs worth of coir/verm at once lmao


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