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If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government....
    #19028626 - 10/24/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

...spending, and policy, as well as corruption--on both sides of the ailse--

...then please englighten me on how more and bigger government is suddenly going to fix things.  :smirk:


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19028642 - 10/24/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well obviously we need to be protected from ourselves. Its the only way.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19063241 - 10/31/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We need to put more restrictions on corporations but that is hard to do when corporations own this country. Politics really is about big business getting its buddies into office. It is an illusion to think politicians make changes because in reality corporations are the ones running those changes. They need to cut military spending and put it into education of the people living in the projects and ghettos who actually need a way out. Also healthcare should be free.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19063260 - 10/31/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2: 

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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: B_BOY]
    #19063306 - 10/31/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am talking about big oil and coal companies. BP has a extraordinarily long list of offenses on their record. It is mind blowing the EPA hasn't shut them down, but I know why that is. It is because they are a powerful corporation. Seriously read about their offenses it is insane.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19064750 - 10/31/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mindgnome pay no attention to him he has nothing to say.

Yes, the military should be cut and those businesses are the root of our problems.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19064826 - 10/31/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I am talking about big oil and coal companies. BP has a extraordinarily long list of offenses on their record. It is mind blowing the EPA hasn't shut them down, but I know why that is. It is because they are a powerful corporation. Seriously read about their offenses it is insane.



It is because they make your life of luxury possible.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19066759 - 10/31/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

mindgnome said:
I am talking about big oil and coal companies. BP has a extraordinarily long list of offenses on their record. It is mind blowing the EPA hasn't shut them down, but I know why that is. It is because they are a powerful corporation. Seriously read about their offenses it is insane.





How is the US government going to 'shut down' BP?  They are a British Company.  They could prevent them from doing business here which would drive up the cost of energy.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19069150 - 11/01/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The EPA is an international organization and they could force them to listen but don't for some reason. What is happening is these people make whole shitload of money on oil and coal and spend none of it investing in alternative energy. Believe it or not this dependency on oil and coal is going to be a major issue in the near future as we have done nothing to use alternative energy and the environment is suffering immensely from the damage it has caused. BP cleaned their oil spill up with corexit which the EPA told them to use a less toxic dispersant and BP still used corexit. Corexit didn't get rid of the oil, it just makes the oil sink to the bottom of the ocean. When sea temperatures get warm enough there are going to be some mad hurricanes coming our way.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19069173 - 11/01/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well if the problem has only been in the last 40 years, then lets revert to the tax code from 40 years ago, and have the highest marginal rates set at 70%.  Or if you want to be safe, let's go back 50 years, where the highest marginal rates were at 91%. 

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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19069179 - 11/01/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

sounds to me like you guys want to pay more for gas.. that is sweet, paying your fair share and all :lol:. and sweeper, nice photo collection you have online.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19069202 - 11/01/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The EPA is an international organization



:lolwut:
Are you really that misinformed?


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: Enlil]
    #19069234 - 11/01/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
The EPA is an international organization



:lolwut:
Are you really that misinformed?




The EPA is an international organization because they work with other agencies and Britain has an equivalent to the EPA so technically they could stop BP from raping this planet. I am not misinformed sir. In fact I am sure I read into these things more than you do. Please back off.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19069299 - 11/01/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It helps by having all the assholes, both d and r, in the same place. Freeing the rest of the u.s. To the people.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: mindgnome]
    #19069326 - 11/01/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The EPA is an international organization because they work with other agencies and Britain has an equivalent to the EPA so technically they could stop BP from raping this planet. I am not misinformed sir. In fact I am sure I read into these things more than you do. Please back off.



You're very misinformed.  The EPA is an agency of the federal government of the United States.  It has no authority outside of the borders of the U.S., and within the U.S., it has no authority to make law.

On top of that, where is your source for the claim that the EPA told BP not to use Corexit?


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19069360 - 11/01/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well if the problem has only been in the last 40 years, then lets revert to the tax code from 40 years ago, and have the highest marginal rates set at 70%.  Or if you want to be safe, let's go back 50 years, where the highest marginal rates were at 91%. 

:smug:




You do realize that individuals never paid those levels of taxation?  Just because the rates were 70-90% doesn't mean anyone paid that rate. The loopholes made those rates completely meaningless.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: qman]
    #19069402 - 11/01/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody pays the absurdly low rates we have now either.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19074966 - 11/02/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What absurdly low rates?  Do you mean for the bums who pay no income tax?  Lots of them pay those rates, i.e. zero.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19075155 - 11/02/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What absurdly low rates?  Do you mean for the bums who pay no income tax?  Lots of them pay those rates, i.e. zero.




To say they pay no taxes is an outright lie.  If you get a paycheck, you pay taxes.  Federal Income tax?  Yes, a large portion of people don't make enough to have to pay Federal Income taxes.  They also pay gas taxes, sales taxes, and if they own property, property taxes. What's your point?

The working poor are now bums to you?  I thought it was only the unemployed.  Man, soon the middle class will be "bums" as well.


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Re: If the problems in the US of the last 40 years are because of reckless government.... [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075208 - 11/02/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I said no income tax but if you like I can also point to all the fucking people who work for cash and don't pay any payroll tax either.  Like your drug dealer.

Anybody who cannot support himself and his dependents without public assistance is a bum by definition


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