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Re: Russel Brand [Re: EddYerb]
#19028545 - 10/24/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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He's right. Glad he had the balls to say something. More people with influence need to speak up.
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i agree with the sentiment that we need a massive shift in how we are doing things. But not a one world communist government like he wants
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: EddYerb]
#19031560 - 10/25/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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less regulation, smaller government, more free market.
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A transcript would be real spiffy
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I find Brand very insightful and articulate (which only surprises me given his film roles, the depictions of which sometimes belie his real personality...I suppose this is why it is called "acting"! ).
I don't know about the "background" thing. This can be dangerous. I am an academic and I am pretty discouraged by the notion that I should only listen to others who hold doctorates -- not that anyone here has expressed this view. I hear it a lot at the university, though. That being said, I often find I learn the most from my students, and honestly, I also gather quite a lot from the "people of the world" who you run into whenever and wherever, be it a bar, a market, a park, an airport, a cafe, etc. Academic monographs and articles are nice and I can't belittle the importance of credibility and peer-review, but at the same time I don't buy into Plato's idea that we need "philosopher-kings" controlling the whole show (Republic).
Thanks for posting this. Cool links.
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Sleepwalker
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zappaisgod said: A transcript would be real spiffy
Not a transcript, but a written article on the same subject.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution
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Quote:
Smokey420 said: He's right. Glad he had the balls to say something. More people with influence need to speak up.
People with influence? he's an actor. Whooptity-doo shit. So what? What makes celebrities so great? He's a loud-mouthed commie with a British accent. Another Penis--I mean Piers--Morgan type.
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I never knew Russel Brand was so political, to be honest. I've never liked him in any role he's done (not that I recall, anyway) so I never really followed him much. But these videos made me see him in a different light.
I agree with most of what he said in the first video. Jeremy Paxman seemed like the usual interviewer. Although editing a political magazine is a major task for someone not in politics, using a man's vote record as the deciding factor in whether to listen to his political views or not is absurd.
On a side note, in the second video did anyone else catch him mention a man by the name of Graham Hancock? Apparently he believes we can access new realms of consciousness through psychedelics, and then bring that information back to our society. Sounds intriguing.
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i read one of Graham Hancock's books a few years ago. It was about ancient civilizaions and a supposed lost chapter of human history. Its interesting no doubt, however if you looks at his sources they were mainly based upon outdated research from the 60's. And some of the scientists be bases his claims on have shown to be very unreliable and based upon shaky assumptions. So he has some entertainment worthy books, but take what he says with a grain of salt.
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Ah, I see. I kind of figured if his claims were legitimate they would already be all over this site.
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Its kinda lame to spout off on a rant like that when his net with is 15 billion. I could be wrong on that number, if he really wants to be a man of the people, give back big like mc hammer did. He's not the best comedian or actor either
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Sleepwalker
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Doesn't change the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of his message.
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Russel Brand is credible now? Same guy that was\is addicted to heroin?
People take celebrities way to seriously.
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069306 - 11/01/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again, doesn't change the accuracy of his message. I can see where he's coming from and also why a lot of people would disagree with him, but his status as a celebrity and former drug addict don't have anything to do with his message.
If you have a problem with his reasoning, attack his reasoning.
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That is just YOUR opinion. I have mine as well. And of course it has something to do with it. We are talking about credibility right, or not?
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069358 - 11/01/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems like an ad hominem to me. It would be more useful to point out exactly where you disagree with him.
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Sounds like someone is trying to tell me how to think or what criteria to use in my own judgment. ( Something Liberals think they should be able to do)
I saw parts of this days ago, did i watch it all? NO. Why? Well because i know better than to listen to so called celebrities. celebrities = in the tank for Obama.
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069381 - 11/01/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can think however you want to, doesn't mean you are being logical though. 
It's pretty clear from that interview that he is not an Obama supporter.
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069411 - 11/01/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't care who is speaking if they have a logical valid point then its a logical valid point. If the only people taken seriously were this with preexisting credibility then we would have missed out on all sorts of advancements in every field imaginable. So attack the point not the speaker.
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Logical valid point to who? Is that your decision also?
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069523 - 11/01/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes it is my decision to make for how i react to something. Just like its your decision to choose to base your opinions based on public image or logical conclusions. No one is forcing you to do anything or follow one certain train of though.
The funny thing is that i don't even agree with him, if he was a political science major i still wouldn't have agreed with him. And no i am not a liberal.
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069553 - 11/01/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: Logical valid point to who? Is that your decision also?
Logic is not subjective. Someone may convince themselves of something and think they are being logical, but true logic plays by certain rules. 1+1=2, do you really want to argue with that?
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What sounds Logical to you might not sound Logical to me, wanna argue with that really?
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B_BOY said: Logical valid point to who? Is that your decision also?
Logic is not subjective. Someone may convince themselves of something and think they are being logical, but true logic plays by certain rules. 1+1=2, do you really want to argue with that?
logic is subjective in some situations. for instance mathematics is not. However politics are subjective, what is l logical to some is not logical to all
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That's because some things can't be reached by logic. For instance, bare logic doesn't tell us what the healthiest political system would be, but it can help us make our way through the maze of ideas and arguments to figure out what might work well.
Politics is subjective, logic is not. Two people can both use valid logic to form their arguments and still disagree. However, someone who is illogical can not be said to be using logic just because they believe something hard enough.
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069638 - 11/01/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That might be the logical response to this conversation.
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So I am right? just smoked some bud so i am sleepy
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Re: Russel Brand [Re: B_BOY]
#19069658 - 11/01/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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we seem to be arguing two different things. When i said logic is subjective i meant the conclusions can be subjective. Similar to how the scientific method is not subjective yet you can still come to different conclusions.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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yay for civil debate and reasonable agreements 
you might even say we reached a..... logical conclusion
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It speaks to his credibility, since he's not good at acting, jokes or Katy Perry he should rethink political discourse.
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