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Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig
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I was an ObamaCare guinea pig
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I signed up. I saved. And so will millions of Americans.
Honestly, I couldn’t wait to sign up for ObamaCare — not because I talk about it on television, but because I’m tired of being ripped off by my insurance company.
I live in New York State — which for several decades has had the highest individual insurance premiums in the nation.
For the past three years, since leaving a job at a non-profit organization and then exhausting my COBRA, I have relied on the individual insurance market to get coverage for myself, my partner and our daughter.
Three years ago when I was shopping for insurance, there weren’t that many options to choose from. And the plan I ended up with is expensive and, to put it bluntly, crappy.
Currently, I pay $965 per month for family coverage that includes:
• a whopping $7,000 deductible;
• $36,000 out-of-pocket max per year;
• an annual coverage limit of $2,000,000;
• a $35 co-pay for doctor’s visits ($55 for specialists); and
• a $15 co-pay for generic prescriptions.
All this plus the plan has very limited out-of-network coverage that, I found out the hard way, is subject to such a gauntlet of procedural hurdles that my family has spent thousands of dollars in so-far-unreimbursed out-of-network expenses.
I’m not going to tell you who my current provider is, though I’m inclined to purely out of loathing and spite. But for the record, for over a year I paid for their version of “gold” coverage that had a $3,000 deductible, only a $25 doctor’s co-pay and a $6,000 out-of-pocket max.
But that plan didn’t process any of my reimbursements either and cost a whopping $1,687 per month. That’s over $20,000 per year!
You can see why, regardless of what party I vote for, I was excited to have some more affordable options.
So I logged onto the New York State health insurance exchange website. Yeah, I had a few false starts — the website was down a lot early on either because of service glitches or overwhelming traffic.
For a few days, I couldn’t do anything at all on the website.
Then for a day or so I could “log-in” but not complete registration. And then for a day, I could answer the questions to complete my registration but not actually complete the process.
On one occasion, I got so frustrated at the stalled exchange website that I actually shook my computer.
Not pleasant.
But finally, early on the first Saturday morning following the launch of the exchange site — probably because the rest of the state (unlike my five-year-old) was still asleep -- I was able to log-in and complete my registration and check out all my options for insurance.
There were literally 50 plans that were better than my current insurance -- both with lower premiums, lower out-of-pocket costs and better coverage. And there were ten plans with a higher premium than my current insurance, but with lower deductibles.
So -- and here’s an important point -- the reason that more people haven’t signed up for coverage yet is probably that, just like me, they needed to take some time (and first, find some time!) to weigh all the options.
While the exchange site was user-friendly and explained my options in a clear and simple way, picking an insurance plan isn’t exactly like ordering a hamburger. It took a minute to find my calculator and think about the options.
Within a week, I had settled on a “gold” plan offered by Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield. The plan includes:
• a $2,000 total deductible;
• an out-of-pocket max of $12,500 for the year;
• a $30 co-pay for visits to our primary care doctor;
• a $15 co-pay for generic prescriptions;
• NO annual coverage limit — because that’s now prohibited thanks to the Affordable Care Act; plus
• an added bonus: the plan I selected includes child dental.
This option will cost my family $931 per month — $408 per year less than my previous crappy plan and a $5,000 savings in deductibles. A big win for me and my family financially and in terms of what’s covered.
Plus in the past, I spent several days looking for and comparing insurance options. Under ObamaCare, even with the slow and sticky website, I spent a total of four hours — to save over $5,400. That kind of return on investment would make Warren Buffett drool.
Counter to wild stories about the government taking over health care, the exchange was simply a public portal to a range of all-private insurance options. I went with a “gold” plan for lower deductible and out-of-pocket costs. And I chose Blue Cross Blue Shield because my current primary doctor is in-network.
But one of the most exciting things is the new companies providing private insurance through the exchange; I’ll be watching the reviews over the next year and might change plans when re-enrollment comes around.
As of October 20, the Associated Press reported that 476,000 Americans had filled out insurance applications through the federal and state exchanges. Not bad, considering the poor performance of the sign-up websites.
But it’s only been 20 days since the exchanges launched, and folks have 60 more days (through December 15) to sign up for coverage to take effect on January 1, 2014. And people have 60 days after that (February 15) before the individual mandate penalty kicks in.
In other words, there’s still plenty of time to fix the websites and for more Americans to enroll — and save. Meanwhile, we know that in a state like Oregon, ObamaCare has already reduced the number of uninsured individuals by 10%. Glitches aside, that’s a great start.
We’ve suffered through four years of outlandish attacks against ObamaCare -- that it will kill our grandmothers, or at least just kill our economy. But the fact is that ObamaCare has created a private marketplace so that millions of American families like mine can get affordable, quality health insurance while keeping more of our hard-earned money.
Ideologues may not like ObamaCare, but my wallet and my family’s health sure do.
Is journalism becoming more balanced?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted] 2
#19027971 - 10/24/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad] 5
#19027996 - 10/24/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz] 2
#19028007 - 10/24/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court 
The supreme court also ruled that holding slaves is legal, just saying. Can the talking points.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad]
#19028008 - 10/24/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
Like the rest of the nation, Obama and Congress are free to get insured outside of the exchanges.
Fair's fair, as they say.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
#19028025 - 10/24/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm signed up and it worked out well for me too, so fuck it. I haven't had insurance in a few years and now I will, so I'm happy
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028073 - 10/24/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: I'm signed up and it worked out well for me too, so fuck it. I haven't had insurance in a few years and now I will, so I'm happy 
1. What state do you live in? 2. You didn't have insurance because............? 3. How much will you personally be paying for your BumCare?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028074 - 10/24/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/31/judges-ruling-health-care-lawsuit-shift-momentum-coverage-debate/ most of the house, Senate and supreme court are brought out by corporations your argument is invalid (this post is to Tdubz)
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
#19028083 - 10/24/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court 
Not all of it was and there are more challenges coming.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#19028155 - 10/24/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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With the most recent government shutdown nonsense and the Affordable Care Act finally kicking in, I will be surprised if the Republicans are able to hold the house next year. One thing's for sure, they won't be seeing the white house again any time soon unless they ditch the right wing extremists like our friend zappa here.
You just keep doing what you're doing, zappa. You and your kind had the country fooled with your false patriotism for a while, but the masses have woken up to your nonsense, and all I have to say to you at this point is 'thank you very much'. The tea party has destroyed the GOP from within.. you have done the dems a huge favor, so just keep on keepin' on! Keep fighting the good fight!
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad] 1
#19028156 - 10/24/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it.
This is the most mindblowingly stupid line being being repeated over and over right now.
-The supreme court decides what is constitutional and what's not, they reviewed it, it's constitutional, Period.
-Everybody is required to get insured. Nobody is required to 'get obamacare', as there is no such thing. Everyone who already has coverage *like congress and the president* doesn't have to do a damn thing. Even if they did exempt themselves from it, it would be idiotic- they exempt themselves from getting insurance and medical treatment??? You better bet all those old assholes have a shitload of doctors.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
#19028178 - 10/24/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I was an ObamaCare guinea pig
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In other words, there’s still plenty of time to fix the websites and for more Americans to enroll
really?
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Is journalism becoming more balanced?
fix has always been more balanced than other sources, for some retarded reason people seem to take political commentary as news and they'll go based on hearsay to form their opinions on the source
under the obamashit, I'd spend $500 more per month on insurance
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19028187 - 10/24/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You only think Fox is balanced because you agree with the nonsense and hatred they spew 24/7
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Schmendrick]
#19028204 - 10/24/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: You only think Fox is balanced because you agree with the nonsense and hatred they spew 24/7
what nonsense and hatred, mind providing that link?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Schmendrick]
#19028209 - 10/24/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: With the most recent government shutdown nonsense and Obamacare finally kicking in, I will be surprised if the Republicans hold the house next year. One thing's for sure, they won't be seeing the white house again any time soon unless they ditch the right wing extremists like our friend zappa here.
Conservatives appreciate your concern trolling and will keep it in mind. Is that a bead of flop sweat I see?Quote:
You just keep doing what you're doing, zappa. You and your kind had the country fooled with your false patriotism for a while, but the masses have woken up to your nonsense, and all I have to say to you at this point is 'thank you very much'. The tea party has destroyed the GOP from within.. you have done the dems a huge favor, so just keep on keepin' on!
Oddly enough Ted CRuz and the Tea Party have been vindicated by the abject failure of Obamacare.
Oh, by the way, my health insurance is going to be gone soon because of BumCare. I got the notice about a month ago. I'd really like to shop for health insurance but the government monopolists have kinda fucked me out of even that. Did you know you can't buy a policy that doesn't include mental health coverage in NY? Or that, on the exchange, makes any payment at all to out of network doctors except for emergencies?
I don't want to break your heart but I would rather pay a little extra to get an exceptional doctor rather than a run of the mill shmuck who has to take shit pay to stay in practice. My old insurance, gone the New Year, used to pay something for out of network. Coming soon? Not a fucking nickel for out of network.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Lynnch]
#19028221 - 10/24/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: -The supreme court decides what is constitutional and what's not, they reviewed it, it's constitutional, Period.
the supreme court called it a tax and said that taxes were constitutional
what the didnt look at was that taxes have to originate from the house, not the senate, that it in the constitution
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Lynnch]
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-The supreme court decides what is constitutional and what's not, they reviewed it, it's constitutional, Period.
The Supreme Court pretzeled themsleves into finding some, but not all, of what was brought before them to be Constitutional. It won't be the last challenge
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Schmendrick]
#19028243 - 10/24/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: With the most recent government shutdown nonsense and the Affordable Care Act finally kicking in, I will be surprised if the Republicans are able to hold the house next year.
what was that shutdown about... it was about the teaparty and republicans being right
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/24/democrats-waver-obamacare-delay-hagan/3181655/
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: setb]
#19028244 - 10/24/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court 
The supreme court also ruled that holding slaves is legal, just saying. Can the talking points.
That's because holding slaves was legal. The Constitution implied the legality of slavery by counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person. Slavery was not illegal until the 13th Amendment was ratified.
what part of their ruling on the Affordable Care Act do you think the Supreme Court got wrong?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
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Schmendrick said: You only think Fox is balanced because you agree with the nonsense and hatred they spew 24/7
what nonsense and hatred, mind providing that link?
The fact that you can't even see it proves my point. I bet you think Limbaugh is a beacon of truth too, right?
Look guys, you had a good run. The morons in the middle bought your bullshit for almost a decade, but you just pushed it too damn far. Time to change strategies or go extinct.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Schmendrick]
#19028267 - 10/24/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: You only think Fox is balanced because you agree with the nonsense and hatred they spew 24/7
what nonsense and hatred, mind providing that link?
The fact that you can't even see it proves my point. I bet you think Limbaugh is a beacon of truth too, right?
Look guys, you had a good run. The morons in the middle bought your bullshit for almost a decade, but you just pushed it too damn far. Time to change strategies or go extinct.
I'm telling you to actually prove your point by posting it, as it stands you've proven mine, you clearly work on hearsay or believe that political commentary is news
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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If you are making the argument that the actual news hour portion of Fox news is generally unbiased, then fine. I don't have much of a problem with the actual reporting section (except that they do tend to bring in contributors from their political commentary shows, and you generally don't see much in the way of international news)... but if you are claiming that the Fox news organization itself, newscorp or the channels/holdings as a whole are 'unbiased', then you are a damned moron.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Schmendrick]
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Schmendrick said: You only think Fox is balanced because you agree with the nonsense and hatred they spew 24/7
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Schmendrick said: If you are making the argument that the actual news hour portion of Fox news is generally unbiased, then fine. I don't have much of a problem with the actual reporting section (except that they do tend to bring in contributors from their political commentary shows, and you generally don't see much in the way of international news)... but if you are claiming that the Fox news organization itself, newscorp or the channels/holdings as a whole are 'unbiased', then you are a damned moron.
So which is it, that they spew nonsense and hatred 24/7, or that their news reporting is fine but their ownership is biased?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: abltsandwich]
#19028594 - 10/24/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bias starts from the top and goes all the way down there have been emails leaked before insisting anchors "emphasize" the right wing agenda however you want to interpret that.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad] 2
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
The president is a constitutional lawyer by training, and all the Supreme Court does is interpret the constitution — but, you know better, right?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad]
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
Can someone fill in a someone who hasn't been following on the mechanics of Obamacare?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: s240779]
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I havent been able to finish the process yet but it looks like my plan under obamacare will be cheaper and offer more coverage than the plan through my job
granted I am a 24 year old white male with mental health issues. the big thing for me is the obamacare covers mental health/addiction treatment
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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In other words, there’s still plenty of time to fix the websites and for more Americans to enroll
really?
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Is journalism becoming more balanced?
fix has always been more balanced than other sources, for some retarded reason people seem to take political commentary as news and they'll go based on hearsay to form their opinions on the source
under the obamashit, I'd spend $500 more per month on insurance
yeah I have had problems with the website but it's slowly been coming together. Everyone in my family has an account now and has been offered various plans. We are in Texas. It just takes persistence.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: under the obamashit, I'd spend $500 more per month on insurance
I am paying $500 less, thanks.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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Schmendrick said: With the most recent government shutdown nonsense and Obamacare finally kicking in, I will be surprised if the Republicans hold the house next year. One thing's for sure, they won't be seeing the white house again any time soon unless they ditch the right wing extremists like our friend zappa here.
Conservatives appreciate your concern trolling and will keep it in mind. Is that a bead of flop sweat I see?Quote:
You just keep doing what you're doing, zappa. You and your kind had the country fooled with your false patriotism for a while, but the masses have woken up to your nonsense, and all I have to say to you at this point is 'thank you very much'. The tea party has destroyed the GOP from within.. you have done the dems a huge favor, so just keep on keepin' on!
Oddly enough Ted CRuz and the Tea Party have been vindicated by the abject failure of Obamacare.
Oh, by the way, my health insurance is going to be gone soon because of BumCare. I got the notice about a month ago. I'd really like to shop for health insurance but the government monopolists have kinda fucked me out of even that. Did you know you can't buy a policy that doesn't include mental health coverage in NY? Or that, on the exchange, makes any payment at all to out of network doctors except for emergencies?
I don't want to break your heart but I would rather pay a little extra to get an exceptional doctor rather than a run of the mill shmuck who has to take shit pay to stay in practice. My old insurance, gone the New Year, used to pay something for out of network. Coming soon? Not a fucking nickel for out of network.
That sucks. If anybody needs mental health coverage, it's you.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
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tdubz said: The bias starts from the top and goes all the way down there have been emails leaked before insisting anchors "emphasize" the right wing agenda however you want to interpret that.
so post up those emails and the source of verification
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I find it absolutely preposterous that someone has to pay nearly 1000$ a month from his privte income to make sure he has health insurance.
Absolutely, totally and utterly unacceptable.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal] 1
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Patlal said: I find it absolutely preposterous that someone has to pay nearly 1000$ a month from his privte income to make sure he has health insurance.
Absolutely, totally and utterly unacceptable.
you can thank obama for that because my insurance was $300/mo prior to obamacare, under my current plan it;s $445/mo for the equivalent of the obamacare examples (platinum). if i went through the obama site then I'd be paying $965/mo
yeah, he sure as fuck made it so much more affordable
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Patlal said: I find it absolutely preposterous that someone has to pay nearly 1000$ a month from his privte income to make sure he has health insurance.
Absolutely, totally and utterly unacceptable.
you can thank obama for that because my insurance was $300/mo prior to obamacare, under my current plan it;s $445/mo for the equivalent of the obamacare examples (platinum). if i went through the obama site then I'd be paying $965/mo
yeah, he sure as fuck made it so much more affordable
looks like mine is going down $110 a month and my coverage is increasing. and it's nowhere near 1000.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: B_BOY] 1
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B_BOY said: Good ole Obama nepotism.
http://yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3181219%3ATopic%3A626628&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
more than half a billion went to canadians that couldnt make it work instead of to american firms. good to see obama is looking out for us
also... medicaid wins, obamacare looses
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57609254/medicaid-enrollment-spike-a-threat-to-obamacare-structure/
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad]
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Brakepad said: reasons why Obamacare isn't a good idea. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/15-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-is-a-mind-blowing-disaster-for-america
I'm not going to read the inevitable bullshit in this thread, and I don't really care about the non-issue du jour of your country, but I just want to say that this website is hilarious. I highly recommend it. Check out the Moral Crisis section.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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even the Obama cocksucking MSNBC says that the white house is lying about the enrollment numbers of obamacare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H1zb_WII5b8
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Brakepad]
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you. For instance, if you make under $50K a year, the health insurance that you purchase will be tax-deductible, essentially making your health insurance almost free. Additionally, it is now illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to anybody for pre-existing conditions.
If you really think about it, this bill is a good thing for people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged. Who do you think is going to comp the bill if you suffer some sort of injury or illness and receive a $50,000 hospital bill? Do you really prefer the type of "freedom" where you have to file for bankruptcy and have your credit score ruined just to be able to acquire good health?
The cost of healthcare is outrageously expensive in this country. Nobody should have to pay $8,000 just to deliver a baby in the hospital (and that's normal vaginal delivery, no C-sections, with no complications), or pay $2,000,000 to treat cancer. A $30 copay for a doctor's visit is reasonable; a $300 out of pocket cost for an office visit is not.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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of course Obama and his cronies are lying about the numbers. Now 10 Democrats have sent a letter to Sebelius asking to please delay the enrollment.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: B_BOY]
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isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you. For instance, if you make under $50K a year, the health insurance that you purchase will be tax-deductible, essentially making your health insurance almost free.
hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
I'm not enrolling, I'll keep you posted on how it plays out in court
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm not enrolling, I'll keep you posted on how it plays out in court
So it is mandatory then.
Which brings up the question, how can the poor afford insurance if they already live paycheck to paycheck without insurance?

Something tells me this plan wasn't well thought out.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
If you think about it, it actually saves the government money to be doing this. Who do you think comps the bill when an unemployed or homeless person goes to the hospital? In most states, either the state or county does (and sometimes the federal government does). This way, they are still comping the bill, but they will be paying for insurance instead, so now it only costs them a fraction of what it would have originally.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
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I signed up. I saved. And so will millions of Americans.
Honestly, I couldn’t wait to sign up for ObamaCare — not because I talk about it on television, but because I’m tired of being ripped off by my insurance company.
I live in New York State — which for several decades has had the highest individual insurance premiums in the nation.
For the past three years, since leaving a job at a non-profit organization and then exhausting my COBRA, I have relied on the individual insurance market to get coverage for myself, my partner and our daughter.
Three years ago when I was shopping for insurance, there weren’t that many options to choose from. And the plan I ended up with is expensive and, to put it bluntly, crappy.
Currently, I pay $965 per month for family coverage that includes:
• a whopping $7,000 deductible;
• $36,000 out-of-pocket max per year;
• an annual coverage limit of $2,000,000;
• a $35 co-pay for doctor’s visits ($55 for specialists); and
• a $15 co-pay for generic prescriptions.
All this plus the plan has very limited out-of-network coverage that, I found out the hard way, is subject to such a gauntlet of procedural hurdles that my family has spent thousands of dollars in so-far-unreimbursed out-of-network expenses.
I’m not going to tell you who my current provider is, though I’m inclined to purely out of loathing and spite. But for the record, for over a year I paid for their version of “gold” coverage that had a $3,000 deductible, only a $25 doctor’s co-pay and a $6,000 out-of-pocket max.
But that plan didn’t process any of my reimbursements either and cost a whopping $1,687 per month. That’s over $20,000 per year!
You can see why, regardless of what party I vote for, I was excited to have some more affordable options.
So I logged onto the New York State health insurance exchange website. Yeah, I had a few false starts — the website was down a lot early on either because of service glitches or overwhelming traffic.
For a few days, I couldn’t do anything at all on the website.
Then for a day or so I could “log-in” but not complete registration. And then for a day, I could answer the questions to complete my registration but not actually complete the process.
On one occasion, I got so frustrated at the stalled exchange website that I actually shook my computer.
Not pleasant.
But finally, early on the first Saturday morning following the launch of the exchange site — probably because the rest of the state (unlike my five-year-old) was still asleep -- I was able to log-in and complete my registration and check out all my options for insurance.
There were literally 50 plans that were better than my current insurance -- both with lower premiums, lower out-of-pocket costs and better coverage. And there were ten plans with a higher premium than my current insurance, but with lower deductibles.
So -- and here’s an important point -- the reason that more people haven’t signed up for coverage yet is probably that, just like me, they needed to take some time (and first, find some time!) to weigh all the options.
While the exchange site was user-friendly and explained my options in a clear and simple way, picking an insurance plan isn’t exactly like ordering a hamburger. It took a minute to find my calculator and think about the options.
Within a week, I had settled on a “gold” plan offered by Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield. The plan includes:
• a $2,000 total deductible;
• an out-of-pocket max of $12,500 for the year;
• a $30 co-pay for visits to our primary care doctor;
• a $15 co-pay for generic prescriptions;
• NO annual coverage limit — because that’s now prohibited thanks to the Affordable Care Act; plus
• an added bonus: the plan I selected includes child dental.
This option will cost my family $931 per month — $408 per year less than my previous crappy plan and a $5,000 savings in deductibles. A big win for me and my family financially and in terms of what’s covered.
Plus in the past, I spent several days looking for and comparing insurance options. Under ObamaCare, even with the slow and sticky website, I spent a total of four hours — to save over $5,400. That kind of return on investment would make Warren Buffett drool.
Counter to wild stories about the government taking over health care, the exchange was simply a public portal to a range of all-private insurance options. I went with a “gold” plan for lower deductible and out-of-pocket costs. And I chose Blue Cross Blue Shield because my current primary doctor is in-network.
But one of the most exciting things is the new companies providing private insurance through the exchange; I’ll be watching the reviews over the next year and might change plans when re-enrollment comes around.
As of October 20, the Associated Press reported that 476,000 Americans had filled out insurance applications through the federal and state exchanges. Not bad, considering the poor performance of the sign-up websites.
But it’s only been 20 days since the exchanges launched, and folks have 60 more days (through December 15) to sign up for coverage to take effect on January 1, 2014. And people have 60 days after that (February 15) before the individual mandate penalty kicks in.
In other words, there’s still plenty of time to fix the websites and for more Americans to enroll — and save. Meanwhile, we know that in a state like Oregon, ObamaCare has already reduced the number of uninsured individuals by 10%. Glitches aside, that’s a great start.
We’ve suffered through four years of outlandish attacks against ObamaCare -- that it will kill our grandmothers, or at least just kill our economy. But the fact is that ObamaCare has created a private marketplace so that millions of American families like mine can get affordable, quality health insurance while keeping more of our hard-earned money.
Ideologues may not like ObamaCare, but my wallet and my family’s health sure do.
Is journalism becoming more balanced?
If it really does at least what it says it will then it will be a great benefit at least to those who use it.
I know this is ruining everyone elses healthcare plans, but as far as Im concerned I cant say any more about it until its gone into action, thousands of people have used it, and there is a more definite answer on its benefits and limits.
Not trying to argue on either side of the fence at this point. Im deciding to be undecided, but still have been as skeptical as anyone on this. It appears to have some benefits, if only without the fine print clearly defined next to it
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
I'm not enrolling, I'll keep you posted on how it plays out in court
So it is mandatory then.
Which brings up the question, how can the poor afford insurance if they already live paycheck to paycheck without insurance?

Something tells me this plan wasn't well thought out.
Just make it universal like every other country
Uhm yeah. I already covered these points just now, and at the end of the page 2.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
I CANNOT READ WHAT YOU HAVENT POSTED AND I DONT WANT TO RELY ON HEARSAY FROM SOMEONE SO UNRELIABLE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE FREE CONTRACEPTIVES AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP
POST THE SECTION OF THE BILL THAT PROVES YOUR CLAIM
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So basically what I'm getting from this is obamacare only really benefits a fraction of the population while fucking others up the ass? I'm not enrolling. The whole chip thing sketches me out.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
I'm not enrolling, I'll keep you posted on how it plays out in court
So it is mandatory then.
Which brings up the question, how can the poor afford insurance if they already live paycheck to paycheck without insurance?

Something tells me this plan wasn't well thought out.
Just make it universal like every other country
"Just make is universal"
I agree 100%, but everything in the US tries to be a money making program for the capitalists, including health care.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Just make it universal like every other country
Ah, but the republicunts won't let us do that either. So we have the fucked up half measure that they're whining about anyway..
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
I'm not enrolling, I'll keep you posted on how it plays out in court
So it is mandatory then.
didnt the lord obama himself say I could keep my insurance?
then it's not mandatory
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herpa de derpity derpderp
what have conservatives been saying since obama started bumping his gums about this shit, the bill kept growing with more people adding bullshit provisions until the bill swelled to 2000 pages and all the while not even the politicians were reading the shit... of course it wasnt well thought out
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
If you think about it, it actually saves the government money to be doing this. Who do you think comps the bill when an unemployed or homeless person goes to the hospital? In most states, either the state or county does (and sometimes the federal government does). This way, they are still comping the bill, but they will be paying for insurance instead, so now it only costs them a fraction of what it would have originally.
The tax payer comps the bill every time. I could care less how much money the government saves, they exist to serve the public
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Mescalean]
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The bill still leaves 30 million without insurance, great program huh?
Just glad it will only take 7 million healthy people for it to work
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
I CANNOT READ WHAT YOU HAVENT POSTED AND I DONT WANT TO RELY ON HEARSAY FROM SOMEONE SO UNRELIABLE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE FREE CONTRACEPTIVES AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP
POST THE SECTION OF THE BILL THAT PROVES YOUR CLAIM
I printed it out from the healthcare website and I don't remember the exact URL, but it's under the "Affordable Care Act and You FAQ" section.
Note that I was actually incorrect about one thing, see below:
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Who is required to have medical coverage? All US citizens and legal residents, with a few exceptions, are required to have minimum essential coverage. Exceptions include individuals: -with religious objections -not living in the United States -In prison -Not able to pay for coverage because it costs more than eight percent of their household income -Whose household income is below 100 percent of the federal poverty level -Who have a hardship waiver -Who are without coverage for no more than three continuous months in a calendar year
Give me a few minutes to find the part about tax-deductions. This print-out is like 30 pages long.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Lynnch]
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Just make it universal like every other country
Ah, but the Republicans won't let us do that either. So we have the fucked up half measure that they're whining about anyway..
The Democrats didn't want it either, you do realize that they get even more money than Republicans from the health care industry lobbyists?
Health care related stocks have soared higher this year, this "socialist" policy from the Democrats are getting the capitalists rich, don't fool yourself, it's always about the money.
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Just glad it will only take 7 million healthy people for it to work
problem is more people are losing insurance coverage because of obamacare
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wow even a better deal huh? glad we got this for the cheap price of 600 million dollars.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
I CANNOT READ WHAT YOU HAVENT POSTED AND I DONT WANT TO RELY ON HEARSAY FROM SOMEONE SO UNRELIABLE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE FREE CONTRACEPTIVES AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP
POST THE SECTION OF THE BILL THAT PROVES YOUR CLAIM
I printed it out from the healthcare website and I don't remember the exact URL, but it's under the "Affordable Care Act and You FAQ" section.
Note that I was actually incorrect about one thing, see below:
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Who is required to have medical coverage? All US citizens and legal residents, with a few exceptions, are required to have minimum essential coverage. Exceptions include individuals: -with religious objections -not living in the United States -In prison -Not able to pay for coverage because it costs more than eight percent of their household income -Whose household income is below 100 percent of the federal poverty level -Who have a hardship waiver -Who are without coverage for no more than three continuous months in a calendar year
Give me a few minutes to find the part about tax-deductions. This print-out is like 30 pages long.
FROM THE BILL NOT THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Found it.
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i heard they asked people whether they like obamacare and like 60% said no then they asked whether they like the affordable healthcare act(obamacare) and 90% liked it when told what it was without using the word obamacare most people are just ignorant of what it is and listen to some lying assholes who want to keep us poor and hopeless. i like the affordable healthcare act i will finally have insurance next year FUCK YEA!! hust stop callin it obamacare and people may actually pay attention and be less ignorant its the AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT GOT IT GOOD!!
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: lighthouse09]
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Pris, haven't you had enough problem with Uncle Sam? Why do you want to go to court over a law that has been passed?
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nother kool-aid drinker.. so are you gonna get free health care? = someone else pays for it for you
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
Edit: It was from a .gov website... 
"The tax credit will be used to HELP offset the cost of the coverage"
How much help? 10% of costs? 50%? Not much is my guess.
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$600 million, that's just the cost of the website
obamacare is costing us far more, $1.9 trillion according to the Congressional Budget Office
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-cost-1930-trillion-leave-30-million-uninsured_649066.html
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
did you bother to read the bill?
that's why I'm asking you to post the shit that was in the affordable care act, not the shit off some obama run website
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: qman]
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"The tax credit will be used to HELP offset the cost of the coverage"
How much help? 10% of costs? 50%? Not much is my guess.
I'm guessing, like with all other social programs of the government, it will be based on a sliding scale depending on how much income you have, and how much you are paying for housing and what geographical location you reside in and all that.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm interested in seeing how much a dental plan would be. I just spent $376 cash to get a tooth pulled this week.
But, I still can not afford health insurance even under obamacare so I simply will not apply. But then again I don't even make 15k a year but my bf makes good money. Will they tell me since I live w him that he'd have to pay for it? Or what?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
did you bother to read the bill?
that's why I'm asking you to post the shit that was in the affordable care act, not the shit off some obama run website
How could you, being as opinionated as you are about Obamacare, have not even realized there is a subsidy for people who cannot afford health insurance? I mean clearly since you are so outspoken about the subject, you would think that you would have done your research.
Copy and paste what I quoted, and you will find the same exact information on a ton of other website, mostly health insurance and healthcare websites.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: qman]
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
Edit: It was from a .gov website... 
"The tax credit will be used to HELP offset the cost of the coverage"
How much help? 10% of costs? 50%? Not much is my guess.
dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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No matter the price, the care will be sub-standard at best, then when you have a life threatening problem, oh well, like Obama said you will just get a pill and be sent home
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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VivaLaMushie said: I'm interested in seeing how much a dental plan would be. I just spent $376 cash to get a tooth pulled this week.
But, I still can not afford health insurance even under obamacare so I simply will not apply. But then again I don't even make 15k a year but my bf makes good money. Will they tell me since I live w him that he'd have to pay for it? Or what?
No, you and your boyfriend are not considered a "household" simply because you two live together, unless you have a civil union or something that is legally recognized. Since it's pretty reasonable to assume your health insurance would cost over 8% of your household requirements, you probably won't be required to get health insurance. Or if you do, once it's credited to your taxes, in your case since your income is so low I'm assuming it will be practically almost free.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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How could you, being as opinionated as you are about Obamacare, have not even realized there is a subsidy for people who cannot afford health insurance? I mean clearly since you are so outspoken about the subject, you would think that you would have done your research.
Copy and paste what I quoted, and you will find the same exact information on a ton of other website, mostly health insurance and healthcare websites.
POST THE SECTION OF THE FUCKING BILL ALREADY
it doesnt matter how many libtard sites parrot the obama scriptures
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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yes its supposed to be free if you make that much and yes i am glad to let taxes pay for it with the fucked up way we run this horrible country rich dont care or understand theres people that got no way to better themselves ive been there andthis is actually helping and yes id gladly pay 25%40% taxes if everyone got healthcare and we started actually helping the poor and homeless instead of pointing fingers.. i do know and i love it there B-boy so suck a bag of dicks
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: B_BOY]
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B_BOY said: No matter the price, the care will be sub-standard at best, then when you have a life threatening problem, oh well, like Obama said you will just get a pill and be sent home

I will perform surgery on myself if need be.
My fiance got 7 stitches in his thumb sometime last year and even with insurance he still got a bill for over 2k dollars. Retarddddeddddddd I could've given him stitches for cheap
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
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lighthouse09 said: yes its supposed to be free if you make that much and yes i am glad to let taxes pay for it with the fucked up way we run this horrible country rich dont care or understand theres people that got no way to better themselves ive been there andthis is actually helping and yes id gladly pay 25%40% taxes if everyone got healthcare and we started actually helping the poor and homeless instead of pointing fingers.. i do know and i love it there B-boy so suck a bag of dicks
AHHH you Libtards always show your true colors when it comes to facts. FACTS? OMG what does that mean? How can i google a fact? Help me help me, give me, give me Dear great Muslim leader of our nation please help me with some facts.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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My fiance got 7 stitches in his thumb sometime last year and even with insurance he still got a bill for over 2k dollars. Retarddddeddddddd I could've given him stitches for cheap
Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
Basically if you do the math, then if your household income is $2,000 then you aren't required to purchase insurance if it will cost over $160 a month. Which is roughly the amount it would have cost anyway to get on your employer's health insurance plan. And people who are satisfied with their employer's plan aren't required to switch. This plan is perfect for people who have crappy insurance plans, or work in industries that don't offer health insurance (i.e. food service). And of course, for people with pre-existing conditions. Yea, what a shame that this program is actually going to help people who work and make an honest living but can't afford access to good medical care.
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well we do live in a society do you know what that is?? It's where people live together and help the all of us succeed together instead of the i make mine fuck the rest mentality republicans have of "lets help ourselves but i dont know about the gays/poor/other races/women/anyone not like me basically " that has to end we are all one race of humans lets not pick and choose like assholes we help inmates with better healthcare than some of the poor thats fucked up?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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funny, my girlfriend is listed om my insurance as a domestic partner, are liberal states such as california that opposed to gay marriage or unmarried couples that they dont allow these options for their citizens?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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pris has a girlfriend?? I thought you said you hadnt had a girlfriend in years in another thread?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: dont forget, a tax credit means you still pay out of pocket (paycheck or what ever) and then at the end of the year you get a tax break, how does that help your family if insurance is 30%+ of your income and you went from a $450/week paycheck to a $250/week paycheck. how will those people survive until tax day?
If you read my first quote, then that family in the example you provided wouldn't need to purchase the health insurance. If the insurance costs over 8% of your household income, you are not required to purchase health insurance. A family surviving on $450 a week is also considered to be well below the poverty level.
so that would leave how many millions of people uninsured, wasnt the whole point of obamacare to make sure that 45 million people that couldnt afford insurance were still covered... did you say it was to make sure that everyone had healthcare coverage since we know that obamacare isnt insurance
here's a little recap
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Crystal G said: You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you.
now post the section of the bill that provides free insurance or health care coverage for the poor, not tax breaks at the end of the year, not the option to opt out of insurance still leaving people uninsured
then read this and tell us how being poor and getting to opt out of insurance and fines for failure to comply falls under the equal protection of all citizens when those with means are forced to comply of face penalties this is your constitutional lawyers at work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
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I hadnt, but I do now... been seeing each other for several months and while she maintains her apartment she pretty much lives with me
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Basically if you do the math, then if your household income is $2,000 then you aren't required to purchase insurance if it will cost over $160 a month. Which is roughly the amount it would have cost anyway to get on your employer's health insurance plan.
hahahaha... you clearly dont know dick about insurance
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
hahahaha... you cant 'go on' obamacare
maybe you should check the rates, the platinum coverage which covers 90% for you would be around $300, more than it would be through an employer offering similar coverage, now catastrophic coverage which covers less than 60% would be in the $150 range for an individual.
coverage provided by Humana National Preferred Platinum 1000/1500 Plan https://www.healthcare.gov/find-premium-estimates/
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: tdubz]
#19031422 - 10/25/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: The bias starts from the top and goes all the way down there have been emails leaked before insisting anchors "emphasize" the right wing agenda however you want to interpret that.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: s240779]
#19031429 - 10/25/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
Can someone fill in a someone who hasn't been following on the mechanics of Obamacare?
Nobody can fill anybody in on the mechanics of ObamaCare. Least of all Obama.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Can-i-bus]
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That sucks. If anybody needs mental health coverage, it's you.

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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Brakepad said: Fuck Obama care its completely unconstitutional and Congress and the president are exempt from it. if there forcing obamacare on us it should be forced upon them aswell. they don't want to be included in it because Obamacare is a terrible idea
You really think that keeping healthcare so outrageously expensive and unaffordable to even many middle-class Americans is looking out for your well-being? The whole purpose of Obamacare was so nobody would have to survive without healthcare. If you read the terms of the mandate, you can see that it is designed to help people specifically like you. For instance, if you make under $50K a year, the health insurance that you purchase will be tax-deductible, essentially making your health insurance almost free. Additionally, it is now illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to anybody for pre-existing conditions.
If you really think about it, this bill is a good thing for people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged. Who do you think is going to comp the bill if you suffer some sort of injury or illness and receive a $50,000 hospital bill? Do you really prefer the type of "freedom" where you have to file for bankruptcy and have your credit score ruined just to be able to acquire good health?
The cost of healthcare is outrageously expensive in this country. Nobody should have to pay $8,000 just to deliver a baby in the hospital (and that's normal vaginal delivery, no C-sections, with no complications), or pay $2,000,000 to treat cancer. A $30 copay for a doctor's visit is reasonable; a $300 out of pocket cost for an office visit is not.
Obamacare relies 100% on forcing the group that has the least need for health insurance, young healthy people, to buy a product that is of little value to them. It is fucking YOU over
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
#19031446 - 10/25/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: isn't enrollment on obamacare mandatory and susceptible to fines if you don't comply?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: hahahaha.... why not post that section of the mandate here for all of us to read and then tell us how that affects those that dont have to file taxes, dont have jobs or are too poor to pay for the fucking insurance in the first place before it can even become a tax deduction
Dude, if you read the mandate then you would also know that those who fall below the poverty line (i.e. those that aren't on the "legal" payroll or don't have jobs) can actually get their health insurance sponsored by the government. Basically they expanded healthcare coverage to people who are poor but don't qualify for Medicare or Medicaid. Two programs which I might add, that both Democrats and Republicans are in favor of.
They already had medicaid and medicare. They are irrelevant to Obamacare and the mandate.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19031460 - 10/25/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
hahahaha... you cant 'go on' obamacare
maybe you should check the rates, the platinum coverage which covers 90% for you would be around $300, more than it would be through an employer offering similar coverage, now catastrophic coverage which covers less than 60% would be in the $150 range for an individual.
coverage provided by Humana National Preferred Platinum 1000/1500 Plan https://www.healthcare.gov/find-premium-estimates/
Yes, but I am just under the $45,000 bracket which means that I can apply the health insurance I get as a tax deduction. So in the long term = beneficial for me.
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Prisoner#1 said: now post the section of the bill that provides free insurance or health care coverage for the poor, not tax breaks at the end of the year, not the option to opt out of insurance still leaving people uninsured
then read this and tell us how being poor and getting to opt out of insurance and fines for failure to comply falls under the equal protection of all citizens when those with means are forced to comply of face penalties this is your constitutional lawyers at work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
For starters, if it's a family supporting itself on $450 a week it's likely they are already eligible for Medicaid, which is why they are not required to purchase the insurance--they are already covered. What Obamacare does is make insurance eligible for those who cannot afford their premiums and stand to go broke if some type of catastrophe were to happen, and are not eligible for Medicare or Medicaid.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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What are the subsidies that I keep hearing about? Starting in 2014, individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid and are not offered affordable healthcare through an employer, a refundable tax credit (or subsidy) will be available. The tax credit will be used to help offset the cost of coverage purchased through the Marketplace. Taxpayers with income between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty line who purchase insurance through the Marketplace will qualify. In 2013, individuals making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 would quality.
Seriously, you guys are criticizing the health insurance mandate, yet none of you have even bothered to READ how this is actually going to work? I swear, some people shouldn't have any opinion on politics if you haven't researched it.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
#19031487 - 10/25/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can I pay my deductible with food stamps?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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VivaLaMushie said: I'm interested in seeing how much a dental plan would be. I just spent $376 cash to get a tooth pulled this week.
But, I still can not afford health insurance even under obamacare so I simply will not apply. But then again I don't even make 15k a year but my bf makes good money. Will they tell me since I live w him that he'd have to pay for it? Or what?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: morrowasted]
#19031559 - 10/25/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I went directly to the insurance company for my obamacare. I had to get it because the state insurance company is closing, so my policy expires 12/31/13.
I get two companies to choose from. One company gets you the getto hospitals and doctors and the other gets you the good doctors and hospitals but it costs more.
They can't tell me the premiums for the gold plan but the bronze is $312 and the silver is $377. They don't have platinum. I will probably be paying more than $377 for the gold. I was paying $777.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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AWS said: I went directly to the insurance company for my obamacare. I had to get it because the state insurance company is closing, so my policy expires 12/31/13.
I get two companies to choose from. One company gets you the getto hospitals and doctors and the other gets you the good doctors and hospitals but it costs more.
They can't tell me the premiums for the gold plan but the bronze is $312 and the silver is $377. They don't have platinum. I will probably be paying more than $377 for the gold. I was paying $777.
I must find new insurance by 12/31 as well. I paid quite a bit but I could do what I wanted and get the doctors I wanted and the policy would pay out of network docs the same they paid in network docs. For Obamacare exchange in NY there is not one single plan that will pay out of network docs anything at all. I don't want to use the in network pieces of shit. I only want major medical, in fact. Not an option. I have lost choice.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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My network is full of the best doctors and medical facilities in the state. I don't need to go out of network.
If I am out of state I am not sure what happens. I need to look that up. I don't go anywhere anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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VivaLaMushie said: I will perform surgery on myself if need be.
My fiance got 7 stitches in his thumb sometime last year and even with insurance he still got a bill for over 2k dollars. Retarddddeddddddd I could've given him stitches for jcheap
Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
So despite what everyone in this thread is saying you still get the impression that Obama care is going to give you more then your current plan is providing?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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AWS said: I went directly to the insurance company for my obamacare. I had to get it because the state insurance company is closing, so my policy expires 12/31/13.
I get two companies to choose from. One company gets you the getto hospitals and doctors and the other gets you the good doctors and hospitals but it costs more.
They can't tell me the premiums for the gold plan but the bronze is $312 and the silver is $377. They don't have platinum. I will probably be paying more than $377 for the gold. I was paying $777.
Obamacare isnt free, its a joke. If everyone had to pay, why is the government spending money anyway? Who thought this was a good idea?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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ORLY? What state is that? Alaska? I live just outside NYC and have connections. I would like them to pay whoever I choose the same as they would pay their chosen quacks. After all I paid them so that they would pay a doctor at least somethingQuote:
If I am out of state I am not sure what happens. I need to look that up. I don't go anywhere anyway, so it doesn't matter.
If it's an emergency you surely get covered.
I don't want any coverage for anything other than major medical. Why can't I buy that?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
#19031693 - 10/25/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to buy insurance for my kidneys, uterus, teeth and liver.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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Im just counting how many times pris asks for the link to the section lol
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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VivaLaMushie said: I will perform surgery on myself if need be.
My fiance got 7 stitches in his thumb sometime last year and even with insurance he still got a bill for over 2k dollars. Retarddddeddddddd I could've given him stitches for jcheap
Yeah my health insurance is shit. I have a $4500 deductible even for regular doctor's office visits, blood work, etc. which means I have to pay for everything out of pocket until I reach that amount. Just last year I paid $4000 for crap that didn't even require a hospital visit. No point in my insurance unless I get hospitalized, really. That's why I'm going on Obamacare.
So despite what everyone in this thread is saying you still get the impression that Obama care is going to give you more then your current plan is providing?
Yes, because as I already explained for the millionth time, if I can use my insurance policy in my tax deductions, this means I will be able to afford a better plan than what I have.
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zappaisgod said: Obamacare relies 100% on forcing the group that has the least need for health insurance, young healthy people, to buy a product that is of little value to them. It is fucking YOU over
What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
It's the same reason that the government has been forcing you to buy auto insurance for decades now. Does mandated automobile insurance make sense logically, or does it not?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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AWS said: My network is full of the best doctors and medical facilities in the state. I don't need to go out of network.
ORLY? What state is that? Alaska? I live just outside NYC and have connections. I would like them to pay whoever I choose the same as they would pay their chosen quacks. After all I paid them so that they would pay a doctor at least something
ya really, not alaska. Same doctors I have been going to.
You got connections like the mafia? You gonna have the doctors whacked?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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VivaLaMushie said: I'm interested in seeing how much a dental plan would be. I just spent $376 cash to get a tooth pulled this week.
But, I still can not afford health insurance even under obamacare so I simply will not apply. But then again I don't even make 15k a year but my bf makes good money. Will they tell me since I live w him that he'd have to pay for it? Or what?
You qualify for Medicaid
I was under the impression that poverty alone does not simply make one eligible for Medicaid, and to be eligible for Medicaid she either needs to be pregnant or with a child? Because I know that if poverty was the sole determination for eligibility, every single college student would be able to apply for Medicaid.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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When I was pregnant and was diagnosed with Hyperemesis, I did not qualify for government insurance because my fiance made $50 too much a month, they basically said if I needed health insurance that bad he could afford it for me. Then when I had the abortion they gave me an even harder time saying I definately didn't qualify because I killed my child, basically.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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VivaLaMushie said: When I was pregnant and was diagnosed with Hyperemesis, I did not qualify for government insurance because my fiance made $50 too much a month, they basically said if I needed health insurance that bad he could afford it for me. Then when I had the abortion they gave me an even harder time saying I definately didn't qualify because I killed my child, basically.
Wow. I am really surprised that was their attitude towards you. I am surprised that they didn't offer you AIM (Access for Infants and Mothers), which is what they give to pregnant mothers who don't qualify for Medicaid, or if they have medical insurance with a maternity plan that exceeds a $500 deductible, or if the totality of their bills would cost more than 10% of their gross annual income.
Especially since you and your fiance weren't even married, legally he shouldn't have even been considered a provider. I'm very surprised they didn't help you more. Especially considering Medicaid patients are covered even for termination or miscarriage, and up to 3 months after since they even cover postpartum.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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zappaisgod said: Obamacare relies 100% on forcing the group that has the least need for health insurance, young healthy people, to buy a product that is of little value to them. It is fucking YOU over
What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
The group is always healthy. Some individuals in the group are not but that is not relevant to large population demographics. Why do you think they put in the individual mandate in the first place? Come on Crystal, you're smarter than that.Quote:
It's the same reason that the government has been forcing you to buy auto insurance for decades now. Does mandated automobile insurance make sense logically, or does it not?
I remember when Obama trotted out this analogy and it was irrefutable evidence that he is either a liar or an idiot. Number one, the government does not force you to buy a car. In fact, they penalize you by forcing you to subsidize public transportation for those who do not. Number two, the only insurance you have to buy is liability insurance to cover the damage you might cause to others by operating a 4,000 pound gasoline bomb at speeds often in excess of 60 miles an hour. The damage it can cause is immense. Further, every business is required to carry liability insurance not to protect the business but to protect others. Number three, the government does not require you to have comp and collision. Your lender does if you borrow money to purchase the car. Mortgage companies do the same thing with real estate.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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AWS said: My network is full of the best doctors and medical facilities in the state. I don't need to go out of network.
ORLY? What state is that? Alaska? I live just outside NYC and have connections. I would like them to pay whoever I choose the same as they would pay their chosen quacks. After all I paid them so that they would pay a doctor at least something
ya really, not alaska. Same doctors I have been going to.
You got connections like the mafia? You gonna have the doctors whacked?
No. Top doctor in the family who can get me appointments that most people cannot and who are not members of any plan. The best aren't.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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But, I still can not afford health insurance even under obamacare so I simply will not apply. But then again I don't even make 15k a year but my bf makes good money. Will they tell me since I live w him that he'd have to pay for it? Or what?
You qualify for Medicaid
I was under the impression that poverty alone does not simply make one eligible for Medicaid, and to be eligible for Medicaid she either needs to be pregnant or with a child? Because I know that if poverty was the sole determination for eligibility, every single college student would be able to apply for Medicaid.
I believe this is wrong. I believe lots of college students do qualify for medicaid as long as they are not listed as somebody else's dependent
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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My step grandfather had the company limo pick him up and drive him to the airport where the company jet flew him 2000 miles to the the top skin cancer doctor in the country. Then flew him back the same day. I want my insurance to do that.
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I don't want mine to. That guy doesn't need insurance.
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IMO it's not really about balance, Fox News is just following CNN's example, too absurd to be taken seriously. Did you see Shep's new newsroom? The political climate is changing and Fox is standing still, since it found an effective business model. It was never about conservatism in the first place, they just nailed down a fleeting untapped demand for the starchiest news in town.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
You're missing the larger point though. How many 20 year olds do you know that have never been to the hospital? That alone should tell you that insurance is a necessity even among young people. I've known uninsured people who were supposedly "healthy" in all aspects, who broke some bones skateboarding or bike riding, or suddenly developed epilepsy, and the hospital bills were well in the $20,000-$50,000+ range. One of the people I know with a broken bone was required to get surgery, but was uninsured, so couldn't afford the $20,000 operation. Consequently, his left arm remains crooked and doesn't bend all the way.
Is it really "American freedom" when you have to declare bankruptcy or go broke or ruin your credit score because of an expensive hospital bill you couldn't afford because you were uninsured?
And then there are many young people who would like health insurance, but work in industries that do not offer insurance. Maybe they are servers in the food industry, or professional dancers, or private golf teachers, or whatever. These people don't make a whole lot of money, and they can't afford individual plans. And these people could very well have families, but they make just enough so that they don't qualify for Medicaid.
Additionally, I don't know what age you would consider "young," but due to the obesity epidemic in this country, people are suffering from a hoard of health problems as young as 35. Diabetes probably being the biggest one. Supposedly over 11% of people between the ages of 20 and 60 suffer from diabetes.
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tdubz said: unconstitutional right....thats why it passed the house,senate and was upheld the by the supreme court 
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I believe this is wrong. I believe lots of college students do qualify for medicaid as long as they are not listed as somebody else's dependent
This is incorrect. I know this because I tried applying for medicaid twice, once while I was in college and once when I was not in college (but was working under the table making roughly $800 a month, which I declared as my income). Both times I was denied medicaid, and I was not a dependent either of these times.
I also knew of a college student who was PREGNANT and didn't even qualify for medicaid or food stamps, because she was receiving $5K a semester in grants. I thought that was pretty terrible.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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AWS said: I went directly to the insurance company for my obamacare. I had to get it because the state insurance company is closing, so my policy expires 12/31/13.
I get two companies to choose from. One company gets you the getto hospitals and doctors and the other gets you the good doctors and hospitals but it costs more.
They can't tell me the premiums for the gold plan but the bronze is $312 and the silver is $377. They don't have platinum. I will probably be paying more than $377 for the gold. I was paying $777.
"I was paying $777."
For what type of coverage exactly?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: qman]
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closed veil said: "I was paying $777."
For what type of coverage exactly?
Just basic medical. I got stuck in the state high risk pool for the wretchedly uninsurable. When I quit my job I couldn't find any decent insurance due to pre-existing conditions. I was 38 at the time. I have been on it for 12 years. It is pretty good insurance.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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VivaLaMushie said: I just want to buy insurance for my kidneys, uterus, teeth and liver.
If you dont mind me asking how does one insure their uterus?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
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Lloyds of London will insure almost anything for the right price.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: AWS]
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How come Lloyds of London is one of the least known types of insurance if they will insure pretty much anything? Ive heard Lloyds of London will pretty much insure anything for the right price, if you want your shoe laces insured they will insure it. But because its so seldomly used except as some form of exotic insurance for example kidnap insurance, I always sort of thought Lloyd of Londons insurance motto was more "we will insure anything for the right price someone else isnt insuring"
I know how great Lloyds is for example they will insure a marijuana crop. But I dont find them insuring most things that are practical. Of course, when you need something insured, when is it practical anyway?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
learn to read, they'll be exempted from having to have insurance and exempted from fines for not having it, as I asked, where's their medical coverage?
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For starters, if it's a family supporting itself on $450 a week it's likely they are already eligible for Medicaid, which is why they are not required to purchase the insurance
except that's absolutely false, I should know, maybe if I were a woman, maybe if I were some ethnicity or another, maybe if I was here illegally like Obama's aunt then I'd have qualified but being a father and primary custodial parent of 2 dependent children I was turned down for medicaid even though my income over the last 3 years was $5700, $5000 and $1500 for the entire year... how was it I didnt qualify?
how about talking out of your ass a bit more and doing as you always do and not providing any proof of your uninformed claims once again
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zappaisgod said: I believe this is wrong. I believe lots of college students do qualify for medicaid as long as they are not listed as somebody else's dependent
This is incorrect. I know this because I tried applying for medicaid twice, once while I was in college and once when I was not in college (but was working under the table making roughly $800 a month, which I declared as my income). Both times I was denied medicaid, and I was not a dependent either of these times.
I also knew of a college student who was PREGNANT and didn't even qualify for medicaid or food stamps, because she was receiving $5K a semester in grants. I thought that was pretty terrible.
so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
tell us where the poor will get their fucking coverage that obama promised them?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: How come Lloyds of London is one of the least known types of insurance if they will insure pretty much anything? Ive heard Lloyds of London will pretty much insure anything for the right price, if you want your shoe laces insured they will insure it. But because its so seldomly used except as some form of exotic insurance for example kidnap insurance, I always sort of thought Lloyd of Londons insurance motto was more "we will insure anything for the right price someone else isnt insuring"
I know how great Lloyds is for example they will insure a marijuana crop. But I dont find them insuring most things that are practical. Of course, when you need something insured, when is it practical anyway?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I was under the impression that poverty alone does not simply make one eligible for Medicaid, and to be eligible for Medicaid she either needs to be pregnant or with a child? Because I know that if poverty was the sole determination for eligibility, every single college student would be able to apply for Medicaid.
so here we are with people qualify but they dont qualify
how will obama guarantee they're insured
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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zappaisgod said: What makes you think young people are always healthy, or that they don't need insurance? How many times do you think the average person has gone to the hospital by the time they are 20 years old? I would actually be very surprised if I met somebody who was in their 20's who has never been to the hospital at least once. They might not be as likely to suffer from heart attacks or strokes, but young people can often suffer from broken bones, influenza, drug overdose, disorders in need of psych meds, etc.
Are you kidding me? The whole premise of the mandate was to force 20 something shmucks to sign up and fund us geezers. Otherwise it is insolvent.Quote:
You're missing the larger point though. How many 20 year olds do you know that have never been to the hospital?
Do you mean 20 somethings? Almost nobody I knew went to the hospital for anything when I was in my 20s unless it was covered by workmen's comp, which, by the way, pays the whole bill Quote:
That alone should tell you that insurance is a necessity even among young people.
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I've known uninsured people who were supposedly "healthy" in all aspects, who broke some bones skateboarding or bike riding, or suddenly developed epilepsy, and the hospital bills were well in the $20,000-$50,000+ range. One of the people I know with a broken bone was required to get surgery, but was uninsured, so couldn't afford the $20,000 operation. Consequently, his left arm remains crooked and doesn't bend all the way.
Why the fuck should sane people be expected to pay the freight for irresponsible idiots who take risks?
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Is it really "American freedom" when you have to declare bankruptcy or go broke or ruin your credit score because of an expensive hospital bill you couldn't afford because you were uninsured?
Yes. IN America you have the freedom to fail and accept the consequences therefrom. Do you really want the general population to subsidize idiot risky behavior. Fuck that.Quote:
And then there are many young people who would like health insurance, but work in industries that do not offer insurance.
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Maybe they are servers in the food industry, or professional dancers, or private golf teachers, or whatever. These people don't make a whole lot of money, and they can't afford individual plans. And these people could very well have families, but they make just enough so that they don't qualify for Medicaid.
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Additionally, I don't know what age you would consider "young," but due to the obesity epidemic in this country, people are suffering from a hoard of health problems as young as 35. Diabetes probably being the biggest one. Supposedly over 11% of people between the ages of 20 and 60 suffer from diabetes.
So?
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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wow Crystal G is starting to sound a lot like Zappa and Zappa a lot like Crystal G
At least according to the quotes
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: imachavel]
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wow Crystal G is starting to sound a lot like Zappa and Zappa a lot like Crystal G
At least according to the quotes 
Yeah, if I saw their last two exchanges without the names I'd have a hard time telling which is which. It's like freaky Friday or something up in this shit.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Crystal G said: So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
learn to read, they'll be exempted from having to have insurance and exempted from fines for not having it, as I asked, where's their medical coverage?
I already answered your question, that for FAMILIES who are exempt due to poverty, they are already on Medicaid and already have their medical bills covered. Which is why they are exempt from having medical coverage.
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except that's absolutely false, I should know, maybe if I were a woman, maybe if I were some ethnicity or another, maybe if I was here illegally like Obama's aunt then I'd have qualified but being a father and primary custodial parent of 2 dependent children I was turned down for medicaid even though my income over the last 3 years was $5700, $5000 and $1500 for the entire year... how was it I didnt qualify?
I actually asked this exact question at the Medicaid office... whether single fathers are eligible for Medicaid, and for some reason they said no. Only if the father is wed legally to the mother, and if the mother is eligible for Medicaid, then the entire family can get on Medicaid (including the father). Don't ask me why, for some reason Medicaid works like that.
Edit: I don't know if that changes depending on whether you can prove that you hold primary legal guardianship, though. I didn't ask any specific details, I just used the phrase "single father." I'm certain that if you proved on paper that you were the primary caregiver and the mother was nowhere in the picture you would be eligible for Medicare.
As for being an illegal immigrant, um, no. If you don't have at least a green card or a social security number you do not receive any benefits.
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zappaisgod said: so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
I didn't qualify for Medicaid because I was a single household with no dependents. Like I said earlier, to get approved for Medicare simple poverty won't necessarily guarantee you any benefits. Senior citizens, families in poverty, and women who are single mothers are given first priority.
Remember how you mentioned that this Obamacare is designated to help people who are young, single, and with no children? Yes, exactly, it's for people who don't qualify for Medicaid.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why the fuck should sane people be expected to pay the freight for irresponsible idiots who take risks?
LOL, the example that I gave was a compound fracture that happened while the man was riding his bicycle on campus. A small child darted out in front of him, and he braked and swerved to avoid hitting the kid, did a summersault in the air, and landed on his arm. There was nothing "risky" or "irresponsible" about his behavior, he was commuting to school and work, just like many people who cannot afford to drive cars do. This sort of thing can happy to anybody.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Ugh, man, I'm really bummed out right now. I recently had a physical a few weeks ago, and I just received a voicemail from the doctor's office saying that I needed to come in for a follow-up appointment about my blood test results. This doctor usually doesn't make you come into the office unless your results are abnormal, so they probably found something in me. This whole health insurance thing couldn't have come at a better time--I might actually need it now.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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zappaisgod said: so wait... you're telling us that you dont qualify even though you qualify?
I didn't qualify for Medicaid because I was a single household with no dependents. Like I said earlier, to get approved for Medicare simple poverty won't necessarily guarantee you any benefits. Senior citizens, families in poverty, and women who are single mothers are given first priority.
Remember how you mentioned that this Obamacare is designated to help people who are young, single, and with no children? Yes, exactly, it's for people who don't qualify for Medicaid.
I didn't say that at all. It is designed to FUCK young people with no children. It also has noting to do with Medicaid
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Crystal G said: Ugh, man, I'm really bummed out right now. I recently had a physical a few weeks ago, and I just received a voicemail from the doctor's office saying that I needed to come in for a follow-up appointment about my blood test results. This doctor usually doesn't make you come into the office unless your results are abnormal, so they probably found something in me. This whole health insurance thing couldn't have come at a better time--I might actually need it now. 
I hope it is nothing, Crystal, but if you continue to act the way you do it will inevitably become something. Inevitably.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: So first you complain because a family making $450 a week might not be able to afford so and so payments, and now you're complaining because these families will be exempt from making payments.
learn to read, they'll be exempted from having to have insurance and exempted from fines for not having it, as I asked, where's their medical coverage?
I already answered your question, that for FAMILIES who are exempt due to poverty, they are already on Medicaid and already have their medical bills covered. Which is why they are exempt from having medical coverage.
except that you didnt, you even stated in this thread that you knew people that qualified but were not given medicaid... unless of course you're saying that those on medicaid dont have to worry about but now that brings up the fact that there's so many that need medicaid but cant get it even though they qualify, where does it leave them?
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Crystal G said: This is incorrect. I know this because I tried applying for medicaid twice, once while I was in college and once when I was not in college (but was working under the table making roughly $800 a month, which I declared as my income). Both times I was denied medicaid, and I was not a dependent either of these times.
I also knew of a college student who was PREGNANT and didn't even qualify for medicaid or food stamps, because she was receiving $5K a semester in grants. I thought that was pretty terrible.
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I actually asked this exact question at the Medicaid office... whether single fathers are eligible for Medicaid, and for some reason they said no. Only if the father is wed legally to the mother, and if the mother is eligible for Medicaid, then the entire family can get on Medicaid (including the father). Don't ask me why, for some reason Medicaid works like that.
sex based discrimination at it's finest... so where does obamacare come into play to insure single fathers and their children when they cant get covered by medicaid as you've once again so clearly stated
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As for being an illegal immigrant, um, no. If you don't have at least a green card or a social security number you do not receive any benefits.
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Re: Fox News: I was an Obamacarecare guineapig [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: I find it absolutely preposterous that someone has to pay nearly 1000$ a month from his privte income to make sure he has health insurance.
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Patlal said: I find it absolutely preposterous that someone has to pay nearly 1000$ a month from his privte income to make sure he has health insurance.
Absolutely, totally and utterly unacceptable.
Nobody has to pay anything a month unless it is through government taxation. Which comes from their provate income. Is there any other kind, Komrade? And I find it outrageous that somebody has to pay thousands of dollars a month for other people's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
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In 2012, total health care spending in Canada is expected to reach $207 billion, averaging $5,948 per person.
The total federal budget for Canada is expected to be around $270B http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/21/federal-budget-2013-full-text/
Clearly the health care in Canada is NOT paid for by the federal Canadian government
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You should try my Kapustnitsja, I swear there is no better.
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