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Could i.. fake a opiate addiction
#19027741 - 10/24/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was thinking of faking a heroin addiction to get RXed methadone. How hard would this be? At methadone clinics, do they just piss test you or do you have to actually withdrawal from opiates for them to prove your a addict, or some other crazy shit? I was thinking of just taking some hydrocodone then saying im addicted to heroin and i would test positive for opiates. I would say i smoke it thats why i dont have track marks or something.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx] 4
#19027750 - 10/24/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coming from an ex heroin addict... Dude wtf why?
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: Mescalean]
#19027767 - 10/24/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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^Methadone is a opiate. I would have a script for opiates.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19027771 - 10/24/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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good luck mang on your quest to score
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19027772 - 10/24/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plus i read good stuff on erowid about it getting people high all day long
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19027776 - 10/24/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard methadone makes your teeth fall out and that the high isn't good.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: s240779]
#19027782 - 10/24/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: I heard methadone makes your teeth fall out and that the high isn't good.
Teeth are overrated 
But yeah i wouldnt be using it everyday, just for teh occasional high
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19027801 - 10/24/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Take some methadone and then you'll get an addiction. Then you can apply for some more methadone.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: King Klick]
#19027808 - 10/24/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SO...
How hard would this be? At methadone clinics, do they just piss test you then u get a script or what?
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: King Klick]
#19027825 - 10/24/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why don't you just buy heroin, OP?
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19027849 - 10/24/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It lasts all day, but the withdrawals are just as bad and last way longer.
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No different from faking pain or illness to get mj card imho
Gl OP
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: KrishnaDreamer] 1
#19027905 - 10/24/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife] 1
#19027922 - 10/24/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Methadone fucking sucks, just go buy some smack or something. Not that I think you should do it of course. It will steal your money and your soul. Also, good luck feeling happiness again once you get off.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19027928 - 10/24/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I need a lsd script, anyone know any good docs?
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19027931 - 10/24/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
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MystiqueMushroom said: I need a lsd script, anyone know any good docs?

Much less self destructive, indeed.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028096 - 10/24/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
Ah those answers were what i was looking for, thanks Time to research suboxone highs
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#19028118 - 10/24/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19028140 - 10/24/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said:
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LoveYourLife said: Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
Ah those answers were what i was looking for, thanks Time to research suboxone highs 
I'm prescribed Subutex. If you don't have an opioid tolerance it will produce a VERY powerful high. If you do have a decent tolerance to opioids, it won't do a whole lot for you because it's only a partial agonist.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19028154 - 10/24/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is a reason why they give this stuff to people deep into H addiction, don't be stupid.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028190 - 10/24/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said:
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LoveYourLife said: Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
Ah those answers were what i was looking for, thanks Time to research suboxone highs 
I'm prescribed Subutex. If you don't have an opioid tolerance it will produce a VERY powerful high. If you do have a decent tolerance to opioids, it won't do a whole lot for you because it's only a partial agonist.
I have a little tolerance, it takes me 30mg hydrocodone to feel buzzy, 40mg to get high and 55mg to nod.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028277 - 10/24/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
That's not true at all, unless they changed it over the past year.
To OP, its easy as shit to get prescribed methadone even if you aren't addicted to opiates, all you need to do is fail the drug test. Its not a good idea though, methadone is a horrible drug to be addicted to. You could puke it everyday, or spit it (they watch) but I suggest against it. Just go to a dr and bitch about pain, once you get a history over a year and keep bitching about your medicine you should be able to get some type of opiate and even if you don't you have a history. At this point you go to a pain management doctor. Once you get that and get a history you can get anything. You just need to have a history and you will find a pain management dr.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19028310 - 10/24/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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do heroin for 2-3 weeks straight. From there, your addiction will steer you in the direction you are aiming for
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19028313 - 10/24/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're considering this you probably won't have much trouble proving that you're addicted. You could always suck a dick for some H to prove it though.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fiddle]
#19028362 - 10/24/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fiddle said: You could always suck a dick for some H to prove it though.
Way ahead of you
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19028376 - 10/24/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said:
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LoveYourLife said: Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
Ah those answers were what i was looking for, thanks Time to research suboxone highs 
I'm prescribed Subutex. If you don't have an opioid tolerance it will produce a VERY powerful high. If you do have a decent tolerance to opioids, it won't do a whole lot for you because it's only a partial agonist.
I have a little tolerance, it takes me 30mg hydrocodone to feel buzzy, 40mg to get high and 55mg to nod.
It would get you high still.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
That's not true at all, unless they changed it over the past year.
To OP, its easy as shit to get prescribed methadone even if you aren't addicted to opiates, all you need to do is fail the drug test. Its not a good idea though, methadone is a horrible drug to be addicted to. You could puke it everyday, or spit it (they watch) but I suggest against it. Just go to a dr and bitch about pain, once you get a history over a year and keep bitching about your medicine you should be able to get some type of opiate and even if you don't you have a history. At this point you go to a pain management doctor. Once you get that and get a history you can get anything. You just need to have a history and you will find a pain management dr.
Look at the federal regulations for Methadone clinics. It can be slightly more or less stringent from state to state as they are allowed to alter the guidelines slightly, but 2 years is the Federal guidelines for a months worth of take home methadone if you are prescribed it for Opioid addiction. After 1 year you can get 2 weeks of take home Methadone.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19028452 - 10/24/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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For all the time and trouble it would take, you could do a lot better than methadone.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: danlennon3]
#19028592 - 10/24/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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danlennon3 said: do heroin for 2-3 weeks straight. From there, your addiction will steer you in the direction you are aiming for
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19028804 - 10/24/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot of clinics give you take homes from the get go, many give you a take home every few months clean, with 27-30 take homes a month after 3 years clean. I've been on clinics in NC and NJ, they were all pretty much the same with giving take homes after months of clean time.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19029047 - 10/24/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can do it, but they probably send the urine to the lab so they'll be able to tell what opiate you have been using and to an extent how heavy of a user you are.
And I know people that have gotten take home doses after only a month or so, but they weren't full month scripts.
It's definitely doable, but it probably won't end well.
Plus I'm not sure about this, but having that you're an addict on your medical records will probably look bad when trying to get prescribed other controlled substances. I'm not sure if they can share your records or not though.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19029776 - 10/25/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They don't as far as I know do a quantitative test on your urine, even if they did those tests aren't very accurate. They would probably need to do a blood test for that. In general, almost no one is going to methadone clinics without an opiate habit to try and get addicted to methadone. A full month script takes forever, its a waste of time.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19029778 - 10/25/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get fucked up off one 5/500mg vicodin.
Idk why anyone would want to be addicted to methadone.
Such a stupid idea OP but I'm sure you already knew that.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: VivaLaMushie] 1
#19030002 - 10/25/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, when you're scheming about shenanigans to get drugs, it's time for rehab.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: Patlal]
#19030156 - 10/25/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: Enjoywho]
#19030743 - 10/25/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, you've got this way wrong on a number of counts:
1- You can not just take hydro, and claim to be a heroin addict. They'll know you're a liar when they test you. Heroin has a very specific metabolite which is what they test for. That will even show up in a simple dip test. Do NOT lie about which drugs you're taking. A lot of places send their samaples for outside, thorough testing. They will possibly know exactly what's in your system. However, they do script stuff like 'done and sub for serious, long term pill problems as well.
2- As has been stated, they don't just script you methadone. You need to physically go down to a clinic every day, and drink your dose in front of them. So you have to be a real opiate addict, to be on methadone.
3- Unless you can find the right private suboxone doctor, you probably have to be a real opiate addict to get subs, too.
Most suboxone clinics, if they accept you, will still make you come once a week, for at least the first few months. (Possibly longer, depending on the place, and how "well" you do there.) They drug test you every single time you come in. Most doctors / clinics don't give a shit about pot, but other drugs will "get you in trouble." And by that, I mean they will either make you continue to come weekly (instead of giving you bi-weekly appointments) or kick you off the clinic, depending on the drug you're dirty for, how severe / often, and the opinions of the docs, etc.
You can not just sprinkle a little bit of a pill in your piss, because they test for not only burprenorphine, but also the metabolite, nor-bupe, which will not show up, unless you're actually taking it. Further, unless you're taking it properly, your bor-bupe levels should be higher than your bupe levels. Though sometimes it can happen the other way around, if your clinic is anything like mine, they will put you through hell for it. Not long ago, I had to go in for a "D.O.T" where I had to go into the clinic three days in a row and take the stuff in front of them, getting drug tested each of these days, because the levels in my system were not what they wanted them to be, so they suspected I was scamming the system. They can be a real pain to deal with.
4- Since you would likely initially have to come at least once a week, and have sufficient levels in your system each time, combined with the very long half life of suboxone there is a chance you could become a very real opiate addict, in the process of trying to get cheap legal opiates.
Suboxone has a half life of between 24 and 73 hours. That is the amount of time it takes half of the dose you took to get out of your system. Half. That means it could take close to a week for a dose of buprenorphine you took to fully make its way out of your system. If you're dosing at least once a week, this could land you very close to addiction territory.
5- Suboxone is not a very fun opiate. Aside from the opiate buprenorphine, it also contains naloxone, an opiate antagonist. The kind of shit they give when you're overdosing, to block the opiates from having effect. Some people claim the small amount of naloxone in a pill can not be felt, unless you're injecting a large amount. However, some of us are convinced that we can feel it a little, and there is a theory that some people are far more sensitive to it than others.
Some docs will give subutex, which is bupe without the naloxone. But some docs will not give that. Especically to a new patient they don't know / trust. Think of the naloxone as an "anti-junkie tampering mechanism" and they're sometimes reluctant to let go of that.
Further, sub is not the most euphoric opiate. Further, after a while it makes you feel like a goddamned zombie. No highs, no lows. Just fucking blank and empty most of the time. Enough of it will get you a nod, for sure. But after you develop a bit of tolerance, it loses all its appeal, just like any opiate, and you simply need it to not feel physically ill and horrifically depressed.
Anyway, that's the deal, and those are the risks you face. Oh, also, at most sub clinics you also have to be seeing a weekly therapist, as well, if you don't want to stay on weekly clinic appointments. Also, they used to allow monthly appointments, after 6 months to a year, but now the longest stretch they allow is every two weeks. So you would have at least one therapist appointment and two clinic appointments per month, minimum. And that's after they trust you. Before that it's 5 appointments per month (4 for the clinic, 1 for the therapist.)
And while many of the docs at the clinic can be nice, some are major assholes.
Oh, and they do blood tests every few months or so.
IMO it's really not worth it. You have to go through a lot of hassle. While some of the docs are nice, some are assholes. And the assholes can really make your life difficult. And you risk becoming a real addict in the process. And unless you have good insurance, it could be costly, anyway.
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Patlal said: OP, when you're scheming about shenanigans to get drugs, it's time for rehab.

Awesome job with the denial. Sounded like a pretty true statement to me. I'd agree that considering a plan like this, just to score drugs, could be a serious warning sign.
Of course, denying easy logic in regard to responsible drug use is another. But what do I know...?
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: CidneyIndole]
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^ Both Suboxone doctors I've been to have been nothing like that. I only had to go once a month from the very beginning. They've never watched me take my doses. I was prescribed Subutex right from the start, never had to take Suboxone. I also never had to see a therapist. And have never had a blood test.
Your Sub clinic sounds like total shit.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
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I knew an old lady who went to the clinic every two weeks and they'd give her 12-15 bottles w her doses to take home. She had been going to them for years, tho and she was addicted to heroin years ago and now shes addicted to the 'done.
She was an old neighbor of mine and I would help take her dogs for walks or take her to the hospital Bc she was always sick. Scared the shit out of me sometimes because she was on oxygen yet smoked like a chimney. I for sure thought one of those days when she was nodding off, her apartment would explode from dropping a cigarette or something.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
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LoveYourLife said: ^ Both Suboxone doctors I've been to have been nothing like that. I only had to go once a month from the very beginning. They've never watched me take my doses. I was prescribed Subutex right from the start, never had to take Suboxone. I also never had to see a therapist. And have never had a blood test.
Your Sub clinic sounds like total shit.
Right, doctor. Re-read my post and note how I distinguished private doctors from clinics. Private doctors can only take on so many sub patients, each, and can therefore be limited in some areas. Private doctors are usually easier to deal with, from my understanding, if I didn't make that clear enough in my post.
However, if OP's area is anything like mine, it's far easier to get an appointment at a shitty chain / franchise clinic like I attend, than a private doctor.
And if you've never had a blood test, that makes your doctor an idiot, not awesome. (Although a lenient idiot, which I guess is also nice, in its own way.) They test the blood to check liver levels, which subuxone can effect. If you've been on it a while, perhaps you should speak to the doc about this.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: CidneyIndole] 1
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I don't get why you want to fuck with methadone man. I remember a buddy and I had this great idea to rail methadone... You should try that when you get them. Rail methadone.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19030898 - 10/25/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: ^ Both Suboxone doctors I've been to have been nothing like that. I only had to go once a month from the very beginning. They've never watched me take my doses. I was prescribed Subutex right from the start, never had to take Suboxone. I also never had to see a therapist. And have never had a blood test.
Your Sub clinic sounds like total shit.
Right, doctor. Re-read my post and note how I distinguished private doctors from clinics. Private doctors can only take on so many sub patients, each, and can therefore be limited in some areas. Private doctors are usually easier to deal with, from my understanding, if I didn't make that clear enough in my post.
However, if OP's area is anything like mine, it's far easier to get an appointment at a shitty chain / franchise clinic like I attend, than a private doctor.
And if you've never had a blood test, that makes your doctor an idiot, not awesome. (Although a lenient idiot, which I guess is also nice, in its own way.) They test the blood to check liver levels, which subuxone can effect. If you've been on it a while, perhaps you should speak to the doc about this.
Every doctor is limited to 100 patients. Which like you said makes it difficult to find one. I probably called around 50 of them before I found my first one and probably 50 more before I found my second (which is actually a Psychiatrist.) But nobody I know has ever had their blood checked while on subs, and I know a lot of people on them. I don't really take mine that often anymore though, so I don't think I have much to worry about.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19030907 - 10/25/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the last 2 times I went to rehab I told them I was using between half a gram to a gram of heroin a day just so they will give me 8mg of subs for the first 3 days I was there. It was complete BS. I was super high for those first 3 days of rehab. no wonder I am still not sober eh.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19030928 - 10/25/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: I knew an old lady who went to the clinic every two weeks and they'd give her 12-15 bottles w her doses to take home. She had been going to them for years, tho and she was addicted to heroin years ago and now shes addicted to the 'done.
Yeah, if i wasn't readily apparent from my first post, I was on methadone long ago, before being on suboxone. I did have "take home bottles" at the end of my way-too-long stay there. You do have to be on the program for a long time, and in good standing to get "take home" bottles. At my clinic they did it such that after x months with the program (which I think was somewhere between 6 and 12.... this was a long time ago, and that part's a bit fuzzy) they would give you one more take home dose for every additional month you gave them a clean drug test.
So after the first month, you only have to go every other day. Second month every third day, etc.
And you have to bring a locked box to take it home in.
Once I had a few take homes under my belt, the 'done clinic seemed like a bit less of a pain in the ass. But it seemed like it took forever to get there. And before you get to that point, missing a dose was not pleasant, and sometimes the clinic hours sucked.
That being said, IMO methadone is perhaps superior as a recreational drug (compared to bupe.) For maintenance, I prefer bupe for the long half life. It "holds" you longer. But coming off seems harder. I detoxed myself from methadone, strangely enough, using morphine (much shorter half life). And I was clean for a good long while. Last year I tried to taper off subs. Even after tapering my dose super low, then transitioning to low dose codeine for a few days, then to kratom for a couple weeks, I was still having a hellish time.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19032339 - 10/25/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Getting subs and getting methadone are easy as shit to get prescribed whether or not you are an opiate addict. They will script you methadone for being addicted to codeine if you piss dirty and are on a high enough dose, same with subs. You need to know what to say/do though, still is probably the stupidest idea to make money right next to killing a gas station worker to rob them. That's shit people in the ghetto usually won't even do to make money.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19032491 - 10/25/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Getting subs and getting methadone are easy as shit to get prescribed whether or not you are an opiate addict. They will script you methadone for being addicted to codeine if you piss dirty and are on a high enough dose, same with subs. You need to know what to say/do though, still is probably the stupidest idea to make money right next to killing a gas station worker to rob them. That's shit people in the ghetto usually won't even do to make money.
I've never even been tested prior to getting Subs. They only tested me a week later to make sure I was actually clean. And then after that I was put on a monthly schedule with a 90 Subutex a month script (24mg a day) which I later got upped to 4 Subutex a day. I guess it's just easier to get them where I live. I've never had to deal with half the hassle I hear other people talking about.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19032504 - 10/25/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is so damn stupid. Why play around with opiate addiction just to get a shitty drug to do every once in a while? I've been struggling with opiate addiction for a couple years now..I'm FINALLY doing better and not doing them as often..
It's not worth it. Get a job and just buy the drugs you want..I've done methadone a couple of times and it wasn't worth shit to me. Not enjoyable. Not to mention, mixing it with other drugs can kill you. I've had 5 friends die from doing xanax or coke with it.
And it's not free..The methadone clinic charges you, I think 7$ per day..unless you're a lazy fuck playing the system and somehow on medicaid, then I guess it's free..But still not worth it.
Summary: Get a fucking job and buy your own drugs. This is a stupid/bad idea.
I don't know you personally, so i'm sorry if I hurt your feelings or got something wrong..but opiates are not something to play with. They can fuck your life up so quick before you even realize it. People told me this shit and I didn't believe them. I've been trying to get off them for about 2 years and am just now finally ALMOST there.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: PsilliCoder]
#19032535 - 10/25/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Opiate addiction is definitely a bitch. I still struggle with it everyday of my life. Methadone isn't fun by any means either, you're better off just doing Heroin. Better high and it's honestly less dangerous. And the withdrawal isn't as severe as Methadone.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19032922 - 10/25/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: Dude they don't just RX you Methadone. It's highly controlled. You have to go to a clinic DAILY before they will give you take home doses. It takes literally years to get a months worth of take home doses.
Now Suboxone/Subutex is a different story. That is very easy to fake and get a months worth of take homes.
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LoveYourLife said: The federal regulation is that you must be in the program for 2 years and you can't fail any drug tests to get a 1 month script of take home Methadone.
So yeah, it would be more hassle than it's worth.
Ah those answers were what i was looking for, thanks Time to research suboxone highs 
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: King Klick]
#19033214 - 10/25/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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methadone?? I don't see why anyone would want to try that... taking heroin makes more sense to me. Anyways, From all the movies I've watched I think they do test you multiple times, good luck!
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: SkeletalSpore]
#19033223 - 10/25/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I liked methadone with xanax as much as I liked heroin.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19033233 - 10/25/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: I liked methadone with xanax as much as I liked heroin.
That's such an EXTREMELY dangerous combination.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#19033381 - 10/25/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodwhip you're retarded
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: ButteredToast]
#19033385 - 10/25/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ButteredToast said: bloodwhip you're retarded
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: SkeletalSpore]
#19033393 - 10/25/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SkeletalSpore said: methadone?? I don't see why anyone would want to try that... taking heroin makes more sense to me. Anyways, From all the movies I've watched I think they do test you multiple times, good luck!
What? Methadone is a opiate, opiates cause a high. methadone causes a very long high. Thats why someone would want to try methadone.
Ive basically decided not to do this anyway
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19033913 - 10/26/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: I liked methadone with xanax as much as I liked heroin.
That's such an EXTREMELY dangerous combination.
Its not really that dangerous if you have a high tolerance to both drugs at the same time. I lost a few friends to opiates and benzos, but none of them were doing anywhere near as much opioids as I was. You see more people on methadone eating benzos IME than don't. Methadone just ruins the whole opioid experience if you don't eat benzos, its really what gets you high.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: fapjack]
#19033927 - 10/26/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea a close friend of mine was a heroin addict because he got methadone tested by our asshole gov. and then fucked up his life but is one of the few to recover and live methadone will get u addicted to the same shit
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: lighthouse09]
#19033996 - 10/26/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I went to new york I faked being strung out to get into the beth israel clinic. I drank hella poppy seed tea from some indian jip joints and told them I was gonna whore myself out to get it. I was on methadone the next day 50mg.
It helped that I had past opiate issues but it still was hellishly easy.
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Re: Could i.. fake a opiate addiction [Re: Hakim0777]
#19033999 - 10/26/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BUT. its not worth fucking with. methadone sickness lasts for a fucking month dude. it makes no sense to switch to methadone just cause you wanna stay well. people do it tho.
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