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rev0kadavur
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Alan Rockefeller said: I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group. In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group. And she does not post much stuff to the internet.
Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.
 Google Images is full of so many Misidentified mushrooms... never rely on a google image search... but sometimes its a handy place to start.... but never should it end there.
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
#19001527 - 10/19/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very excited by the discussion here, it seems like the gymnopilus group deserves a much closer look. The more I look at my copy of Mushrooms Demystified, I am thinking they are under G. luteofolius based on cap coloration, spore color, gill structure and questionable activity (based off close relation to G. aeruginosus according to Arora) As I said earlier, I will report back definitively on the spore prints of both 'types' I OP'd tomorrow when they have had time to drop.
Luckily the patch is close to home, so I will take some habitat/development shots tomorrow, and we can see how the patch matures and get a better idea of what we have here. If is does come up as something unique (even if only for the BEAUTIFUL purple color) I can readily put a clone to agar or pull spore prints etc.
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
#19001658 - 10/19/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep us updated. I'm trying to cultivate the ones I found. This is the first time I'm trying to grow so we will see how it goes. I visited the spot about a week later where I found them (even thou I left 5 or so pins there) they are no longer growing there. I hope they come back or my grow works out.
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
#19001873 - 10/19/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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paracelsus said: I find these

G. aeruginosus, or what Bloodworm ID'd as such from my collections. These are all over the southeast US on woodchips. They start off a very striking purplish-red color, and mature to a more golden yellow-orange. Not very potent but still active I suppose.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
#19001922 - 10/19/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
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paracelsus said: I find these

G. aeruginosus, or what Bloodworm ID'd as such from my collections. These are all over the southeast US on woodchips. They start off a very striking purplish-red color, and mature to a more golden yellow-orange. Not very potent but still active I suppose. 
Yes they do lose their color 
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: paracelsus]
#19003208 - 10/20/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In just north of Houston Texas, and I found them here.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
#19003271 - 10/20/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ludipro said: In just north of Houston Texas, and I found them here.
Awesome! Are they on/in woodchips as well? Can you figure out what type of wood or if it is a mix maybe? I think the chips I find them in are mixed hardwood/pine.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
#19003277 - 10/20/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes they lose color as I mentioned before.
Paracelsus, yours look different than the ones I find here. Much thicker stem. Makes me wonder if the ones I find in texas are a mutation or vise versa.
I would like to see more research about the sp.
When I found mine I researched and found people who were growing the same genre.
I agree they are not very potent. I took 6 grams dry and had little effects.
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
#19003285 - 10/20/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
#19003297 - 10/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes they are on wood chips as well. Not sure of the type of wood. If I guess it would be native mulch so most likely pine.
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thelorax121
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Ludipro]
#19004411 - 10/20/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Went back to the patch today to pick a clone specimen and got a habitat shot for you. I also have a picture of the spore prints, which while kind of hard to discern, have me thinking they may in fact be the same species just very young and old specimens respectively. The older of the two dropped prodigious spores, while the younger was quite a bit more withholding, so it is hard to tell if the coloring is the same or not. Might try putting it in photoshop to see if it can ID the hues. Take a look and let me know what you think!

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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: thelorax121]
#19004465 - 10/20/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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thelorax121 said: Went back to the patch today to pick a clone specimen and got a habitat shot for you. I also have a picture of the spore prints, which while kind of hard to discern, have me thinking they may in fact be the same species just very young and old specimens respectively. The older of the two dropped prodigious spores, while the younger was quite a bit more withholding, so it is hard to tell if the coloring is the same or not. Might try putting it in photoshop to see if it can ID the hues. Take a look and let me know what you think!


I think those chips are a mix. Notice you can discern at least two colors of woodchip, and then there are needles in the mix as well. I assume your collection(s) are all aeruginosus.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Alan Rockefeller said: I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group. In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group. And she does not post much stuff to the internet.
Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.
im sorry, but i am a bit offended...
i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...
i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...
however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...
you should take that into account Alan...
give credit where it is due...
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
#19027456 - 10/24/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodworm said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group. In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group. And she does not post much stuff to the internet.
Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.
im sorry, but i am a bit offended...
i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...
i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...
however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...
you should take that into account Alan...
give credit where it is due...
Maybe its because you took so long to chime in! Lol. If you're going to be a vigilante jilm superhero, you gotta respond to urgent requests!
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: Hashfinger]
#19027490 - 10/24/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
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bloodworm said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: I would not trust the people who upload pics that get indexed by google images to be able to accurately identify species in that group. In fact there is only one person in the world that I would trust to be able to ID species in that group. And she does not post much stuff to the internet.
Regarding G. junonius, remember that it is a much smaller species than G. spectabilis.
im sorry, but i am a bit offended...
i held off for a few days but, got to thinking...
i do not dispute Laura's knowledge on the topic...
however, i have seen more of these species than she will see in her lifetime...
you should take that into account Alan...
give credit where it is due...
Maybe its because you took so long to chime in! Lol. If you're going to be a vigilante jilm superhero, you gotta respond to urgent requests! 
urgent??
no one, has taken more time or done more work on the genus than me...
that includes Laura Guzman...
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
#19027512 - 10/24/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...
Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it. The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing.
What are the differences between the two taxa?
Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?
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Alan Rockefeller said: She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...
Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it. The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing.
What are the differences between the two taxa?
Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?
really??
i was born in 1981, it's 2013... i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
#19027601 - 10/24/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodworm said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: She has been working on Gymnopilus longer than you have been alive...
Regarding G. aeruginosus, maybe the issue is that I do not know how to identify it. The descriptions in Hesler are almost the same and the differences I don't really find to be all that convincing.
What are the differences between the two taxa?
Have you been able to find any microscopic differences between the two?
really??
i was born in 1981, it's 2013... i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...
Dude. You've been jilmin' since you was born?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Woodchip Finds. Gyms? (NC) [Re: bloodworm]
#19027628 - 10/24/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodworm said: really??
i was born in 1981, it's 2013... i would expect to see something after 32 years of study...
You have not seen any of the stuff she has published?
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jilms led to bloodworms conception.
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