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Envix
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question (sleep and dreams)
#19027249 - 10/24/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey guys, you ever notice how when you wake up in the morning you feel like you're waking up into a body in a room in a house? or something similar to that? when you go to sleep, you don't "wake up" into a dream, the dream just occurs, there's no real "start" to it really.
well one night i dreamt that i was walking through this hallway and getting really sleepy. i found a chair and fell asleep on the chair and when i fell asleep in the dream i woke up in my bed.
so explain how can sleeping just be a dream if being awake is just your sleeping you dreaming
every day you begin the same way waking up from a bed or whatever, involves opening ur eyes and going from grogginess to awakeness. when ur sleeping you're forced to dream whether you want to or not. when ur awake you have to get up and do things or else you get hungry or die.
so are we really just alive in our dreams and dreaming this delusional reality of continuity through holographic means? or are we alive in this world and dream delusional spontaneous realities of our subconscious during sleep?
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nicechrisman
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: Envix]
#19027264 - 10/24/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: Envix]
#19027273 - 10/24/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd love to believe that waking life and dreaming life are two sides of the same coin. But this dualistic-mystical thinking just doesn't add up.
Dreams are mindscape, Reality is mind-body scape.
The only reason we dream of having a body is because we have bodies in reality.
Everything you perceive in dreams comes from reality. That's why someone who was born blind does not see anything in dreams.
An interesting side-note: All the faces you see in dreams are faces you've seen in real life. (I haven't experienced this myself, I can never remember the details of faces I've seen. I read this when I researched dreams and took tests about dreaming)
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Edited by mikeisapro (10/24/13 06:24 PM)
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: mikeisapro]
#19027277 - 10/24/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not true. I know for a fact that I've seen a face in a dream that I never saw in real life.
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: nicechrisman]
#19027278 - 10/24/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Memory is a very unreliable source.
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: mikeisapro]
#19027300 - 10/24/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i also notice that usually the vessel of my awareness in dreams is much different than that in waking life. sometimes i'm just a floating vantage point in some sort of cognitive processing state. like i dream of being in a van, at a gas station, feeling confused and anxious, and my mind feels like i'm reviewing algebra equations. i don't have a body, it's just a vantage point of awareness of a circumstance, with no awareness on things that would normally draw awareness in waking life (such as a body or details of surrounding environments)
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: mikeisapro]
#19027303 - 10/24/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mikeisapro said: I'd love to believe that waking life and dreaming life are two sides of the same coin. But this dualistic-mystical thinking just doesn't add up.
Dreams are mindscape, Reality is mind-body scape.
The only reason we dream of having a body is because we have bodies in reality.
Everything you perceive in dreams comes from reality. That's why someone who was born blind does not see anything in dreams.
An interesting side-note: All the faces you see in dreams are faces you've seen in real life.
But some body sensory is applicable in dreams. Just sayin.
This thought is just not worth pondering. Me, thinking im on the skitz, have started habitually counting my fingers often during the day to figure out whether i'm awake or not. When i'm dreaming my fingers are tentacles. Really evened me out.
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: Envix]
#19027330 - 10/24/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: i also notice that usually the vessel of my awareness in dreams is much different than that in waking life. sometimes i'm just a floating vantage point in some sort of cognitive processing state. like i dream of being in a van, at a gas station, feeling confused and anxious, and my mind feels like i'm reviewing algebra equations. i don't have a body, it's just a vantage point of awareness of a circumstance, with no awareness on things that would normally draw awareness in waking life (such as a body or details of surrounding environments)
Yeah, this happens to me a lot, too.
I do want to clarify that just because the dreamscape is not "reality", it still has a certain reality to it. Namely, the reality of the unconscious mind. YOUR unconscious mind.
Dreams are most certainly worth delving into and analyzing.
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: mikeisapro]
#19027356 - 10/24/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mikeisapro said: Memory is a very unreliable source.
Well the face I remember in my dream was a very unusual looking face that I CERTAINLY would remember if I had ever seen in real life.
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Re: question (sleep and dreams) [Re: nicechrisman]
#19027405 - 10/24/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea we live in two dreams, both are dreams. one is slow, and the other is fast. the one slow is so slow that we feel pain. the one fast is so fast we hardly have the time to experience to its fullest potential.
in one you are there, in the other you see how you got there. OHMM
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