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ToxicMan
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: canid]
#19005893 - 10/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Canid, I haven't tried Lugol's, or IKI, or Tincture of Iodine to determine dextrinoid spores. I have seen reports by some people who tried them alongside some Meltzer's, and it seemed like the dextrinoid reactions were the ones where it was most likely to not work. It ought to be worth the effort to try.
I have some False Chanterelles I found earlier this year laying around dried, so I will try later this week to see if Tincture of Iodine produces a reasonable dextrinoid reaction.
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: ToxicMan]
#19006068 - 10/20/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right, but do we need to distinguish inamyloid from dextrinoid specifically, or merely amyloid/dextrinoid from positively inamyloid?
I guess I'll try it for myself when I have the chance, if nobody can or will before then.
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: ToxicMan]
#19006376 - 10/20/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToxicMan said: Canid, I haven't tried Lugol's, or IKI, or Tincture of Iodine to determine dextrinoid spores. I have seen reports by some people who tried them alongside some Meltzer's, and it seemed like the dextrinoid reactions were the ones where it was most likely to not work. It ought to be worth the effort to try.
I have some False Chanterelles I found earlier this year laying around dried, so I will try later this week to see if Tincture of Iodine produces a reasonable dextrinoid reaction.
Those other chemicals will all provoke a reaction, but it may not be very visible without the clearing agent in Melzers. Tincture of iodine contains a lot of alcohol and will probably shrink the tissues you are looking at.
The mushroom in this obs is weird, lol. My $$$ is on Hyrophoropsis.
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: Gravija]
#19006491 - 10/20/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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More pics yet??
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: Coen]
#19007605 - 10/21/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My my my. If those weren't chanterelles I would certainly be fooled. They do seem to have the false gill structure of chanterelles but I don't think I have ever heard of them growing off of wood chips. But as I am relatively new in the myco world I digress to those who probably know better.
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: ToxicMan]
#19013266 - 10/22/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToxicMan said: Those appear to be growing directly from the wood chips, which would make them Hygrophoropsis aurantiacum, False Chanterelles. They look more like Chanterelles than the false ones usually do.
A good check is the odor. True Chanterelles have a somewhat fruit like odor that False Chanterelles lack.
After finding some trumpet chanterelles yesterday which were growing on rotting wood sometimes covered with moss. I started researching the craterellus species. I have now found that there ARE chanterelles that DO grow on decaying wood and are now being reclassified through DNA to the craterellus genus. Both genus have false gill structures. A lot of craterellus do not have a fruity smell. Black Trumpets excluded. It is entirely possible that what you have is something in the craterellus genus. I would be interested to see more pics of some mature specimens to see if they kept there false gill structure. Here is a link for some more information on craterellus vs. cantherellus. Food for thought.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/cantharellaceae.html
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: Joie]
#19020564 - 10/23/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry for the delay guys. Here're some more pics.
I don't think they're Chants, but ...
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: Coen]
#19021061 - 10/23/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hygrophoropsis, hygro-for-certain.
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Re: Cantharellus species? [Re: Coen]
#19026107 - 10/24/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coen said: Sorry for the delay guys. Here're some more pics.
I don't think they're Chants, but ...

Glad to see the pics of the mature ones. Yeah I would definitely agree with Canid. I found some of these a few weeks back and it took me a minute to identify them for what they were due to being waterlogged. The other thing that ALMOST had me was they had the fruity apricot smell you find with true chanterelles.
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