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Muffinman1552
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what kind of substrate do you prefer?
#19026016 - 10/24/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you prefer manure? BRF? rye grain? and why? are there particular kinds of substrates and brands to avoid? What kind of adjustments do you make and if any to improve the cultivation process?
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Muffinman1552]
#19026082 - 10/24/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wbs spawned to coir/verm/gypsum. It's cheap and easy and it works very well. What more could you ask for in a substrate
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Muffinman1552]
#19026085 - 10/24/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rye is spawn not substrate and brf is spawn too.
manure can be substrate but I prefer to just use coir+vermiculite+water
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19026117 - 10/24/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: rye is spawn not substrate and brf is spawn too.
Rye would be the substrate if you just had a casing layer on top of it.
And cakes are substrates until spawned.
Anything the mycellium can grow on can technically be called a substrate.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19026153 - 10/24/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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rumfor69 said: rye is spawn not substrate and brf is spawn too.
Rye would be the substrate if you just had a casing layer on top of it.-(why its called casing your spawn not casing ur substrate)
And cakes are substrates until spawned.-(thus still making them spawn)
Anything the mycellium can grow on can technically be called a substrate.-(not really cause you spawn to a substrate not substrate to substrate)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19026164 - 10/24/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea, but if you did not spawn it, and just cased grains, what would you call the grains?
Spawn? What was it spawned to?
How about cakes that are fruited as cakes?
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19026204 - 10/24/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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its spawn cause you spawned it in the jar they would be called cased spawn.
Cake is a nick name weather its a brf or rye berry ur still just fruiting what yo I spawned in a jar.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19026210 - 10/24/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys are getting too technical here
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19026217 - 10/24/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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plus you dunk and roll a cake to case it xo its cased spawn too
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19026222 - 10/24/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: You guys are getting too technical here
I agree, lol.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19026229 - 10/24/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the OP was comparing manure to rye grains so some tech is definitely need lol
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19026308 - 10/24/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok, spawn and substrate are different. fair enough. Now, could someone provide a definite explaination as to what the actual technical difference is? because I was under the impression that substrate was substrate, whether it was to be used as spawn for other substrate or as fully colonized material. I could be wrong though. Also, after a recent attempt to make brf cakes out of something labelled as "brown rice bread crumbs" I realized that there are products which are not suited for cultivation. The ingredients were listed as containing only organic long grain brown rice, however nothing would grow from it and now im wondering if there are any other sorts of things to avoid.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Muffinman1552]
#19026366 - 10/24/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Muffinman1552 said: The ingredients were listed as containing only organic long grain brown rice, however nothing would grow from it and now im wondering if there are any other sorts of things to avoid.
If this is true for mold as well, you may have a lawsuit on your hands for false advertisement.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
#19026390 - 10/24/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spawn is in jars thats why theyre called jars of spawn.
you then mix them with a properly pasturized substrate i mix 50/50
I prefer coir for substrate cause its cheap, easy to accuire from a hydro store by the bail, and is somewhat contam resistant.
You have to find a subtrate that you prefer to comfortably use
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19026620 - 10/24/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said:
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Muffinman1552 said: The ingredients were listed as containing only organic long grain brown rice, however nothing would grow from it and now im wondering if there are any other sorts of things to avoid.
If this is true for mold as well, you may have a lawsuit on your hands for false advertisement.
Nah, I wouldnt do that over somthing that grew cobweb mold on a few improperly sterilized samples. It just isnt viable for mycellium growth.
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rumfor69 said: spawn is in jars thats why theyre called jars of spawn.
you then mix them with a properly pasturized substrate i mix 50/50
I prefer coir for substrate cause its cheap, easy to accuire from a hydro store by the bail, and is somewhat contam resistant.
You have to find a subtrate that you prefer to comfortably use
that makes plenty of sense.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19028004 - 10/24/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Merriam-Webster dictionary: substrate-The earthy material in which an organism lives, or the surface or medium on which an organism grows or is attached. ...or open any biology book and flip to the glossary
Rumfor, are you insinuating that the glass jar is the substrate? Its growing on something, therefore there is a substrate - the grain or wbs, or cake (which is brf + verm or whatever you choose) for that matter.
I am new to this hobby, but I have taken plenty of science courses and have a minor in chemistry. The purpose of this forum is to add to the knowledge of the community, especially nooBs. You may be able to grow some mushrooms, but if you know nothing about the technical terms, DON'T GO SPREADING MISINFORMATION adamantly. Notahacker was correct the first time:
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Notahacker420 said: Rye would be the substrate if you just had a casing layer on top of it.
And cakes are substrates until spawned.
Anything the mycellium can grow on can technically be called a substrate.
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Edited by tripluv (10/24/13 08:20 PM)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028052 - 10/24/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: its spawn cause you spawned it in the jar they would be called cased spawn.
Cake is a nick name weather its a brf or rye berry ur still just fruiting what yo I spawned in a jar.
put down the bong and step away from the computer
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Muffinman1552]
#19028111 - 10/24/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Muffinman1552 said: ok, spawn and substrate are different. fair enough. Now, could someone provide a definite explaination as to what the actual technical difference is? because I was under the impression that substrate was substrate, whether it was to be used as spawn for other substrate or as fully colonized material. I could be wrong though.
you're right, you can use a colonized substrate as spawn in more growing medium such as poo. substrate is no more than a growing medium, PF cakes, rye berries, horse poo.... all of it can be a substrate and it can all be used as spawn to expand a grow.
typically with spawn you want something small such as wild bird seed because when broken up it provides more inoculation points than substrates such as popcorn or rye berries, this will typically allow for faster colonization
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19028160 - 10/24/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This site is soooo full of so much contradicting information rye is spawn manure is a subtrate. Manure that's colonized can be used as spawn but its still starts as a substrate.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028269 - 10/24/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: rye is spawn manure is a subtrate.
Rye is only considered "spawn" if you spawn it.
If you case the rye in a tray, it is a substrate with a casing layer, and never was "spawn".
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rumfor69 said: Manure that's colonized can be used as spawn but its still starts as a substrate.
As do grains.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart] 1
#19028292 - 10/24/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
And you dont pasteurize a bunch of rye berries and use them like you would manure.
rye is spawn....manure is substrate.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028316 - 10/24/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
And you dont pasturized a bunch of rye berries and use them like you would manure.
But if you have a bunch of cased rye in a tray, and someone asked you what is the substrate, the answer would be rye.
You would not say spawn....and If someone asked you what the spawn was, you would say I did not spawn anything....it's just cased rye.
With your logic, anything that is sterilized is spawn, and anything that is pasteurized is substrate....
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rumfor69 said: rye is spawn....manure is substrate.
You keep saying this, and in some cases it is correct, but not in all cases.
Just because I do not want to do this all night I am going to agree to disagree.
Because I still don't think you get it.
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Edited by PussyFart (10/24/13 09:01 PM)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19028334 - 10/24/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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none you you people even answered the OP question you hijacked his thread just to argue about something you know i'm also right on. He was comparing rye berries to manure. All he wanted was some opinions on peoples preferences but you guys have to argue and not help him.....great job
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028352 - 10/24/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spawn - used to colonize a bulk substrate
casing - protective layer
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028354 - 10/24/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: you hijacked his thread just to argue about something you know i'm also right on.
 
Yes, rye is always to be considered spawn, no matter what, just because you said so....
To answer OP's question, my preference is WBS for the inoculation points, I know of no brands to avoid, and follow the teks.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028358 - 10/24/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use whatever local materials I can for making substrates. I also live in the country, so manure is easy to get, especially horse manure in great quantity for free. So I end up using that a lot in many of my substrates.
Often I mix horse manure with shredded plant material from my neighborhood. Some of the things i've tried that worked really well:
- Cannabis stalk chips - Cannabis root ball - Burdock stalk chips + Burr balls (flowers) - Japanese Knotweed stalk chipped - Lawn clippings - Tree leaves shredded and whole - Garlic stalk chipped - Egg carton cardboard blended
Etc, etc.
Basically any chipped plant stalk will fruit mushrooms in general and Cubensis in particular quite well. Adding things like horse manure and egg carton pulp to the shredded plant chips, even though its not mandatory, seems to make for an even better harvest.
Depending on where you live, there can be lots of prime materials for making substrates...especially if you live anywhere near a farm. Even if you don't live near a farm, there are lots of "weeds" and plants that you can chip/shred and grow shrooms on.
Its all good to go to the store every time and buy everything you need for the hobby... but its also cool to use local, free materials.
Try some experiments.
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#19028388 - 10/24/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
Because I still don't think you get it.
nope. not at all
Edited by tripluv (10/24/13 09:19 PM)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: tripluv]
#19028467 - 10/24/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok I'm hopping in, its been awhile so don't kill me.
OP, from my readings, choosing your substrate depends on your desired method of growing... IMO. If your going monotub, I would choose, rye grains because I've gathered its faster at colonization and easier cleaning and prepping than wbs. Then a substrate of coir/verm/gypsum, because its cheap. If your going sgfc or pmp, the brf/verm, for cheap and easy cakes. You can substitute the brf for rye flour if desired. There is also poo cake teks on here.
Everyone has an opinion, you just need to form your own and explain why you chose what you did. Hope it helps.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: tripluv]
#19028484 - 10/24/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you guys really want to get technical about it, spawning is the act of adding mycelium so it can reproduce/divide. The "spawn" is the mycelium itself. Grains are always a substrate because it is the material that the mycelium grows on/ feeds off of. When you spawn grains to bulk, you're not technically spawning the grains. You're spawning the mycelium itself to a bigger substrate. But in terms of the way we refer to everything here for the ease of not getting into unnecessary technicalities, NAH is right.
Saying that grains themselves are spawn because they have the mycelium on them is like saying my testicles are spawn because they carry sperm, or my girlfriends ovaries are spawn because they make eggs, when at the end of the day it's my sperm and her eggs that are considered spawn
Edit: my analogy at the end there probably isn't the best example since bodily fluids don't "consume" the harboring organ, but I stand by the rest of my post
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19028493 - 10/24/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: This site is soooo full of so much contradicting information
It wouldn't be if people that didn't know wtf they're talking about (you) would stop spreading misinformation, and be humble enough to be corrected. As it sits, here's another thread with contradicting info and it's because you're not willing to be corrected. Now if some noob comes along and searches the forum like so many here tell them to do before asking questions, and that noob comes on this thread, you've added to the confusion.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#19028501 - 10/24/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bulkgrownoob said: Saying that grains themselves are spawn because they have the mycelium on them is like saying my testicles are spawn because they carry sperm, or my girlfriends ovaries are spawn because they make eggs, when at the end of the day it's my sperm and her eggs that are considered spawn
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: shroomseng]
#19028546 - 10/24/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coco peat / Verm works good for me so far. I use WBS as spawn because it's easy to get locally and fairly cheap for a bag. Haven't found a place that has rye berries yet.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19028564 - 10/24/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, and I use Eco earth brand coco coir mixed with verm and gypsum, properly pasteurized
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: shroomseng]
#19028583 - 10/24/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you're right, you can use a colonized substrate as spawn in more growing medium such as poo. substrate is no more than a growing medium, PF cakes, rye berries, horse poo.... all of it can be a substrate and it can all be used as spawn to expand a grow.
typically with spawn you want something small such as wild bird seed because when broken up it provides more inoculation points than substrates such as popcorn or rye berries, this will typically allow for faster colonization
Like the cat said...
Spawning is an action. It can be grain or manure or a thousand other colonized things that make up the spawn.
That spawn is used to inoculate the final fruiting material...which is the substrate.
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SUBSTRATE - (1) the food of a fungus; (2) substance acted on by an enzyme; (3) – e.g. polypores mostly occur on wood.
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Spawn - Culture of mycelium on grain, sawdust, etc., used to inoculate the final substrate, or bulk.
Spawn = mycelium on a food source Spawning = act of moving mycelium to fruiting substrate Substrate = the material from which a fungus is fruiting
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19029449 - 10/25/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
Take a look at my signature and then come back with that statement.
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blojo02184 said: why nah isn't a tc is beyond me. He spreads understanding!
I second this nomination.
Edited by MacMerdin (10/25/13 02:58 AM)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
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Derp
Edited by Stromrider (10/25/13 03:18 AM)
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19029504 - 10/25/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
#19029506 - 10/25/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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All in favor say I
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19029511 - 10/25/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Derp
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Oh....and a resounding I
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
#19029540 - 10/25/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said:
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It's just where I edited a post that made no sense. Sorry
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19029545 - 10/25/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No worries. Just wasn't sure on the lingo but I was right. I feel like an old fuddy duddy now.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
#19029546 - 10/25/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19029825 - 10/25/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Stromrider said: You guys are getting too technical here
I agree, lol.
Its nice to know what people actually mean when they are talking
I myself got some stuff wrong cause I didnt know that proper terms
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Kalypto]
#19029842 - 10/25/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, first decide which method you want to grow with. Pf tek requires cakes, mono's require two parts, spawn and substrate mixed in the tub and left to colonize again.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: blojo02184]
#19029864 - 10/25/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I recommend mono's
I did cakes and disliked them for a couple reason
Tons of smalls jars and bins and perlite
I also felt like it was much more work for the mushrooms you get
The FC's with tons of holes are a bitch to make compared to monos FCs
Monos dont require misting if you dont want to
Monos I feel are more work in the beginning . but after you get a flush of like 4 oz dried from it , its so worth it
Personal preference
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Kalypto]
#19029895 - 10/25/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely find monos the most efficient and hassle free in the end. Once you really get your technique down its a cinch. I'm still ironing out a few things an I've still had nothing but amazing success with them. Nothing like putting in a bit of work and getting a number of monos established and being able to just chill for a minute if you so prefer and let them do Thier thing.
With that I go with rye grains as spawn mostly because I get a good deal on it, and the prep methods are pretty much fool proof.
Coir/verm/gypsum for sub as it's cheap and easy. Much more contam resistant as well.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: DeadPhan]
#19029935 - 10/25/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats what I use
Spawn : Rye
Substrate :CVG
Once my room mate moves out Ill have a room as a lab
Then once I get everything in there down nice and contam free i wanna move to harder strains or substrates like HPOoo
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: MacMerdin]
#19029970 - 10/25/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said:
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rumfor69 said: but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
Take a look at my signature and then come back with that statement.
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blojo02184 said: why nah isn't a tc is beyond me. He spreads understanding!
I second this nomination.
If they gave notahacker a TC tag I would lose so much respect for the powers.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19030026 - 10/25/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said:
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MacMerdin said:
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rumfor69 said: but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
Take a look at my signature and then come back with that statement.
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blojo02184 said: why nah isn't a tc is beyond me. He spreads understanding!
I second this nomination.
If they gave notahacker a TC tag I would lose so much respect for the powers.
Being a TC should be HARD so that we know there word are the truth
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Kalypto]
#19030035 - 10/25/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kalypto said:
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rumfor69 said:
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MacMerdin said:
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rumfor69 said: but you dont throw manure in a jar pressure cook it and inoculate it.
Take a look at my signature and then come back with that statement.
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blojo02184 said: why nah isn't a tc is beyond me. He spreads understanding!
I second this nomination.
If they gave notahacker a TC tag I would lose so much respect for the powers.
Being a TC should be HARD so that we know there word are the truth
I agree but apparently you can just post here non stop every day and repeat other peoples info even though you haven't barely done shit yourself and everyone thinks you know it all lmao I've been doing this hobby for 10 years now. I grew many many cakes before I knew this forum even exsisted. now I make 30K+ a year from this hobby but I don't know nothing
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19030047 - 10/25/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL that sucks
Good info is very important
I normally search through a few threads if I read something I think is fishy , so I can check up on it
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19031075 - 10/25/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: I agree but apparently you can just post here non stop every day and repeat other peoples info even though you haven't barely done shit yourself and everyone thinks you know it all lmao I've been doing this hobby for 10 years now. I grew many many cakes before I knew this forum even exsisted. now I make 30K+ a year from this hobby but I don't know nothing
Would u like a TC tag too?
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19031096 - 10/25/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not really I couldnt care less about having one
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19031118 - 10/25/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, well stfu already.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: PussyFart]
#19031123 - 10/25/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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don't tell me what to do ya big bully
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: rumfor69]
#19031827 - 10/25/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: don't tell me what to do ya big bully
Stand up to the bullies. KNOW THE TRUTH about online bullying.
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19031927 - 10/25/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: Stromrider]
#19033299 - 10/25/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rumfor, stop being a Dick and admit you were mistaken. Kalypto, stop bare-backing rumfor and let him fall on his own...
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: blojo02184]
#19033408 - 10/25/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hate to change the subject, but The dudes super cube recipe: 1 brick Exo Terra coco-coir 4 quarts verm 4 quarts Hpoo 1 cup gypsum Water to field & pasteurize Makes about 14 quarts of sub
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: skippydude]
#19033441 - 10/25/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anyone ever use sheep or alpaca poop? im too lazy to look up their digestion
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Re: what kind of substrate do you prefer? [Re: hgmstl]
#19033476 - 10/25/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've grown pans in Fox Farm Ocean Forest potting soil so anything is possible, but I would stick to a proven recipe if success is important. Some poo has too much nitrogen which invites contamination and other poo, like cow poo, is muddy and hard to colonize. Whatever poo you choose, just be sure it is well aged from the pasture and not the urine filled stuff from the stalls
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