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Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek?
    #19025757 - 10/24/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hello, I am preparing to try my hand at casings for the first time soon..I picked up a bag of Spagnum peat moss and have been searching for a tek/walk through using this but am not finding anything that details step by step. Does anyone know of a tek using this substrate that you could send me a link to? Thanks and I appreciate any helpful info/ links you can provide me with.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19025888 - 10/24/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look up "50/50 casing"teks... search bar at the top there works rlly well. If anything Frank always has great stuff to check out.

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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19025898 - 10/24/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What do you plan on casing?


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19025939 - 10/24/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ive got some half pound brf bags going right now that i plan to case first, and then probably some grains after i get the hang of casings


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19025950 - 10/24/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just spawn to a bulk substrate?

Casing grains or cakes does not improve yield at all.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19026024 - 10/24/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ive seen a few peoples grow logs involving brf cakes cased and the casings have a hell of alot more mushrooms on one flush than i get from four or five flushes on cakes.. why do people case cakes if it does not increase yield at all? It seems kinda weird that so many people case em of they end up with the same amount as fruiting cakes..


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19026041 - 10/24/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone else care to elaborate on how casing cakes does not increase yeilds?


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19026052 - 10/24/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Casing grains or cakes does not improve yield at all.




Are you sure about that?  Why roll in vermiculite after a dunk if a casing doesn't help?


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19026057 - 10/24/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone else care to elaborate on how casing cakes does not increase yeilds?





I've always....always increased my yield by casing cakes.  Actually, it's recommended around here.  Rolling a cake in plain vermiculite is using a casing.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19026092 - 10/24/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ive always heard good results from casings, just curious why NotaHacker says it does nothing?


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19026123 - 10/24/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Casing grains or cakes does not improve yield at all.




Are you sure about that?  Why roll in vermiculite after a dunk if a casing doesn't help?



That is not "casing cakes".....that is rolling them in verm.

When we say casing cakes, we mean breaking them up and applying a casing layer to them in a pan of some kind.

You still have the same amount of nutrients and moisture.

You will have the same yield.

If you spawn the cakes to a bulk substrate, you increase both nutrients and available moisture...so yield is also increased.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19026145 - 10/24/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That is not "casing cakes".....that is rolling them in verm.

When we say casing cakes, we mean breaking them up and applying a casing layer to them in a pan of some kind.

You still have the same amount of nutrients and moisture.

You will have the same yield.

If you spawn the cakes to a bulk substrate, you increase both nutrients and available moisture...so yield is also increased.




Curious.  What would you call my method in my signature?

And why isn't a layer of vermiculite over a cake to create a nice atmosphere for pinning not considered a "casing"?  I'd like to see the definition of "casing" that you describe.  Because, to me, a "casing" is any material used over the substrate to promote pinning.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19026196 - 10/24/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You messed up the quote...lol....

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Curious.  What would you call my method in my signature?



Pancakes....lol

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MacMerdin said:
And why isn't a layer of vermiculite over a cake to create a nice atmosphere for pinning not considered a "casing"? I'd like to see the definition of "casing" that you describe.  Because, to me, a "casing" is any material used over the substrate to promote pinning.




I never said it was not considered a casing layer, but we do not call our rolled cakes casings.

They are simply cakes that have been rolled in verm...yes the verm acts as a casing layer.

When you take the cakes, break them up, and apply a casing layer to them in a flat sense, this is called casing cakes.

It is no different than rolling each cake in verm and fruiting them in a SGFC, you should not expect a higher yield.

Spawn to bulk for a higher yield.

This is all I was getting at.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19026209 - 10/24/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying.  :thumbup:

Makes more sense now.

Fixed the quote too.


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Re: Spagnum peat moss/Verm casing tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19026227 - 10/24/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pancakes....lol





Unfortunately I can't take credit for the name.  Someone else came up with it but I like it.


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