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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Mateo]
    #25331596 - 07/17/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I really wish I had some info for ya poison. I just don't have access to these plants out here where I live so I was never able to give them a try :sad:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Spacedout201]
    #25331725 - 07/17/18 02:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

PD, if you repot and separate those D.Bosseranum in the small pot thay will take off fast.
Mine looked almost exactly like that not long ago and after repot and separating they started grow fast.
Now they are flowering and this was a suprise.

My Kanna seem to have stopped growing after spraying them with a bug spraw mix.
It was obviously too strong and i see some deformation on the leafs.
But they are alive and i expect them to start growing again very soon.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Mateo]
    #25331971 - 07/17/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I did repot some of the D. bosseranum seedlings. Their roots were still extremely small though, a couple of millimeters. A friend of mine received a little seedling pot and gave them a repotting. They have grown quite a bit and the roots are poking through the holes in the bottom of the pot. Maybe my soil mixture contains too much fine sand. All the repotted ones are still growing indoors though. I could place some of them outdoors together with the S. tortuosum. How long would you say it took your plants from seed to flowering?


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25332384 - 07/17/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I can tell you that sand is not a great soil mixture (especially fine sand)except for in the ground where it helps to drain the soil properly.

But as I said I've never worked with these particular plants before so I wish you luck.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Spacedout201] * 1
    #25339948 - 07/22/18 02:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

One of my kanna plants had a little accident, its pot tipped over and broke a few bits and pieces so I'm doing a small emergency batch.

It reminded me I need to make some Delosperma bosseranum snuff and give it a try so I harvested it a bit of it as well.
I'll document the process for both kanna & delosperma and report back on bioassay results.

Here's the fresh material, I removed all ripe and unripe seedpods from the delosperma. Both plants were cut around 6pm (time of the day apparently makes a lot of difference in delosperma alkaloid content according to Trout's notes).


D. bosseranum cut in small pieces with scissors, mashed thoroughly with the round end of a kitchen knife and bunched up in a corner for optimal fermentation:


S. tortuosum finely cut & mashed the same way. Kanna seems a lot juicier and easier to mash than delosperma to me.


Closed the takeaway containers and put in a full sun spot. Now we wait. I'll try to post pics showing the change in color and texture over the next 7 days.


Hopefully the heat won't melt the containers, didn't think about that beforehand...


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25340359 - 07/22/18 10:55 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Keep us informed of your findings, MG! I'm interested to see how much remains after the fermentation and drying, and if you can confirm the alleged high potency of D. bosseranum.

@Spacedout201: some of my D. bosseranum seed pods have dried up in the meantime and are ready for harvesting. If you want some, just sent me a PM. :pm:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink] * 1
    #25350028 - 07/27/18 09:23 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

5 days later it's pretty much done with that small amount, it's almost dry and has the right smell. I will scrape it and leave it to dry, then turn it into powder.

Kanna:


Delosperma:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25350180 - 07/27/18 10:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I did repot some of the D. bosseranum seedlings. Their roots were still extremely small though, a couple of millimeters. A friend of mine received a little seedling pot and gave them a repotting. They have grown quite a bit and the roots are poking through the holes in the bottom of the pot. Maybe my soil mixture contains too much fine sand. All the repotted ones are still growing indoors though. I could place some of them outdoors together with the S. tortuosum. How long would you say it took your plants from seed to flowering?




My D.Bosseranum took 3 months from sowing the seeds until i got many flowers.
Thats quite quick i must say.
They grow inside my kitchen window getting sun morning to about 13.00.
It has been a sunny 3 months though.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Mateo]
    #25350187 - 07/27/18 10:52 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

MG, that fermentation experiment looks very good.
It sure will be intresting to see what your findings are.
If it turns out well i will do some myself.
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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25350196 - 07/27/18 10:56 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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5 days later it's pretty much done with that small amount, it's almost dry and has the right smell. I will scrape it and leave it to dry, then turn it into powder.

Kanna:


Delosperma:






I'm soooo :excited:

Let us know what it does exactly PLEASE!!!


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Spacedout201] * 1
    #25360467 - 08/01/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

D. bosseranum seed pods open up before my eyes when they get wet, even though the seed pods look dried up! Have you sampled any of that homemade snuff in the meantime, MeanGreen?




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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25360601 - 08/01/18 04:50 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Cool PD
I must try wet a pod and look at the seeds :smile:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25368116 - 08/05/18 12:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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D. bosseranum seed pods open up before my eyes when they get wet, even though the seed pods look dried up! Have you sampled any of that homemade snuff in the meantime, MeanGreen?



I am slowly working with the delosperma snuff, I did a small allergy test a couple days ago just for safety, and today I took a small line, probably about half of what I usually take with kanna.
I definitely felt it, as far as I could tell it was very similar to the same dose of kanna, maybe slightly more stimulating even but it's too early to tell. It smells exactly like kanna once fermented, too.

So far it seems to me like it could be a really great alternative to Sceletium since it grows much faster and is much more widely available in seed or plant form.

Next time I will double the dose and report back. Curious about trying D. cooperi too now...


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25368748 - 08/05/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it would be intresting to hear the results for D. cooperi.
This one i don´t have growing.
Isn´t this one containing something else also like DMT?
I seem to recall somthing like that.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Mateo]
    #25368770 - 08/05/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it apparently has DMT & 5-MeO along with the mesembrine alkaloids, but I think the levels vary a lot depending on season and even timemof the day if I remember Trout's notes correctly.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25389216 - 08/15/18 03:11 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Repotted my bigger Sceletium about a month ago, and it's growing actively again. I don't really understand this plant's hibernation.


Will try the delosperma snuff again with a bigger dose sometime this week and report back.

I tried smoking kanna for the first time yesterday, always snuffed it before. The taste isn't very enjoyable but it's pretty damn potent, I just sprinkled a small amount on a joint, like maybe 0.1 or barely 0.2 grams of roughly ground homemade kanna and by the middle of the joint I could definitely feel it, by the end I'd say I was a bit overstimulated.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25390620 - 08/15/18 04:54 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

That's a lovely plant! Does it stay outdoors during the winter? I'm perplexed by how different these plants look under different growing conditions. Take a look at this Kanna plant someone grew on another forum. Very interested in hearing of your future endeavors with Delosperma spp. snuffs too! In the meantime, my S. tortuosum plants have inexplicably slowed down in growth. I should take a new picture to compare, since they're rather slow anyway.


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25390670 - 08/15/18 05:23 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't really understand this plant's hibernation.




I have a small Kanna plant that was rooted from a small cutting in the spring. As soon as the summer heat kicked in the foliage withered away and died. Now my little plant looks like the brown stems at the base of your plant in the photo above. I'm hoping it comes back in the fall but I'm only 50/50 on whether or not it is still alive.

The dormancy on these plants appears to be quite severe. They really look dead.  In fact I know someone who lives nearby who had 2 large delosperma ice plants that flowered profusely. Last summer they went completely dormant and he mistakenly believed that they had died. He dug them up and threw them away.  :ohwell:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25390674 - 08/15/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man, no I'm definitely taking it inside during the winter.
Very nice plant the guy grew in that thread, very tight nodes. But I think they will end up looking more alike, basically the leaves that make it look bushy will die off, and it will turn more snakey/rampant like mine or Karode's. There's also the possibility that some of us are growing different species of Sceletium like expansum, emarcidium and others without knowing it.

Seedlings definitely take a while at first, but after some time they'll take off. Here's the same plant as above when I first got the cutting on April 7th of last year:


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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25390760 - 08/15/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

It has definitely grown a lot in a little over a year! That's a plausible theory, the one about unknowingly growing different Sceletium spp. Here's another theory I posted about a couple of months ago.


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I remember an old thread on another forum, in which a grower has the most amazing S. tortuosum plant. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this thread. He kept his plants in full sunlight and outdoors during the winter. They would reportedly survive freezing temperatures and snow. It also grew in a low nutrient soil, making it grow upright with thick branches. When he took some plants indoors during winter, they would grow etiolated and would eventually die. I like this robust 'succulent tree' look, so I might grow the next batch of seeds in low nutrient soil. The same can be seen in Trout's document:






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