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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27918677 - 08/25/22 06:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think this could be the report you are searching as he (or she?) is talking about 15g material :thumbup:

https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45202-aptenia-cordifolia-a-zulu-traditional-medicine/


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27953385 - 09/16/22 06:45 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah that's the one! I only have a couple grams of aptenia saved up. I bought a few of those, I've taken a few cuttings and collected some seeds. I also ordered a couple delosperma bosseranum, received two 3-6 year old plants and a free younger plant today! I trimmed the dead material off and the dried pods, I'm going to germinate the seeds. Currently smoking a bowl of bud mixed with bosseranum.









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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27954052 - 09/17/22 06:45 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

nice plants!

are you smoking the roots and hows the effect?
how much material is needed would also be very interesting :strokebeard:

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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27954092 - 09/17/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thanks! The guy i got them from said a lot of delosperma napiforme are sold as bosseranum. It's also difficult to find well-established plants, hopefully they live longer than 6 yrs lol... I smoked the dead dried up stems and pods that I trimmed. I collected any seeds first though. I felt something extra, definitely a kanna-type feel, colors brightened a bit, I felt a little euphoria with each heartbeat, something I don't get from straight cannabis anymore. I smoked a couple mixed bowls and a full bowl of bosseranum. I think fresh material and maybe an isopropyl extract would be better. I'll experiment some more after work today. I also have a little tolerance to kanna right now which could skew things I suppose.


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27954240 - 09/17/22 09:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Damn! i was at first very happy, because my plants are looking very very similar to yours and took this as 'confirmation' my plants are indeed bosseranums, but damn i just searched for a couple of pics of napiforme, they look very similar to bosseranums!

yeah and nice! when some dead stems already have an noticeable effect an iso extract of the fresh roots should be the shit:super:

If you've the time please let us hear more!


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27961740 - 09/22/22 12:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'm having a hard time differentiating them too lol. I'm pretty sure there are plants being labeled as bosseranum that are actually napiforme and napiforme that are actually bosseranum. Some plants are raised out of the ground for a bonsai look too. Even if there is no info on napiforme alkaloids doesn't necessarily mean it's not active. On another note, I planted the bosseranum seeds I found in the dried pods. They were literally microscopic and very difficult to see with the naked eye. The plants have been flowering, hopefully I get some more seeds. Now I wait.



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27967408 - 09/25/22 11:36 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)




coincidentally I'm cultivating mesembryanthemum crystallinum too, so very interesting! I wont buy blue lights now lol, but do you think this could mean, that at noontime when the sun is at the highest state and blue and UV lights are at the intensest state, the alkaloid content is higher as in the evening or in the night?




I'm not sure, I know a lot of other plants produce their highest concentration of alkaloids at sunrise/sunset. I think Trout may have mentioned they were more potent in the evening but I need to double check. It could vary from species to species. Environmental factors like light exposure, nutrients, and the season and time of harvest probably all come into play.




Pretty ones! i was thinking about cultivating aptenias too, but then i was a bit put off, as i have read in another forum aptenias are notorious for being so many different hybrids and cultivars and whatnot around that it would be very lucky to get potent ones, but its probably the same with all the alternative mesembrine containing succulents :lol:




Yeah I know different sceletium plants can also have a big variation in alkaloids and concentrations. More so than cannabis. I have a few seeds if you ever want to give them a go.


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #28050807 - 11/14/22 01:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I ingested 2g fresh delosperma bosseranum about 50 min ago. Chewed for about 15 min then swallowed. I also take kratom, which I can feel a bit, however I definitely feel a kanna-like body high. Definite mood and tactile sensation enhancement. I have no knee pain, in fact I feel pretty good. My clothing feels extra soft :grin:


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #28050827 - 11/14/22 02:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I also tested a little fermented pleiospilos nellii a couple months ago. I sniffed some, noticed a kanna-like euphoria. My heartbeats felt quite pleasant. I need to start growing more pleiospilos so I can experiment more. Those p. bolusii get pretty big so they'd probably be a better candidate, I'm not sure how fast they grow in comparison with nellii or difference in alkaloids tho.


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #28051230 - 11/14/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Still feeling it a bit. I smoked a small bowl of cannabis maybe 2 hours ago and it potentiated the effects. I haven't used any kanna today, only the bosseranum, and I've been feeling pretty good. I need to experiment more but it seems just as good as kanna, maybe a little better. I still need to ferment some and test it. It seems easier to grow as well, it seems a bit more forgiving and bounces back quick, produces LOTS of teeny tiny seeds. They grow pretty fast, my seedlings are now bigger than the couple cuttings I rooted. I'll try to post some pics soon.


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #28128785 - 01/07/23 03:10 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

I took some pictures of the succulents at the end of November but didn't get around posting them yet. I took all of them back indoors before it got too cold during the nights.

The Sceletium tortuosum plants grew quite a few flowers during summer and still have a few till this moment. Right now, there are a few mature seed pods. Other Sceletium spp. plants were also flowering during summer, but sadly no seed pods developed on those.

Sceletium tortuosum:

   

Sceletium joubertii, still holding on:



Sceletium emarcidum:



Sceletium subvelutinum:



flowering in mid September:




The Delosperma bosseranum had a lot of flowers and seed pods as always. I removed all of them because otherwise the seeds spread to every adjacent pot and a thousand seedlings start growing in them. A while ago, I made a ferment with stems and leaves and left it to ferment naturally. I slowly increased the dosage, but found it not to be very active. Maybe my timing of harvest was not optimal, or maybe as pointed out by Mr.Giggles, it isn't a true D. bosseranum, since I have read numerous reports of people feeling the effects by using minute amounts.



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink] * 1
    #28190633 - 02/16/23 06:58 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

I also made a ferment with the bosseranum and it wasn't too potent, but i definitely got effects from it. I smoked some on a bowl of MJ and I was getting mild visuals, seeing slight patterns shifting, enhancement of color and music, music sounded more wide an open. It wasn't stimulating like kanna, it was more like a mild psilocybin experience. Definitely worth more experimentation! I've been meaning to post an update for awhile now.

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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #28209311 - 03/01/23 10:15 AM (10 months, 24 days ago)

They're doing good there, Mr.Giggles! :thumbup:

I removed all the seed pods of the S. tortuosum plants because they had turned brown and dried out. Harvesting is a bit of a chore because there's a lot of nooks and crannies where the seeds can hide, and they are quite small. I counted the number of seeds per pod out of curiosity. There were 12 pods in total and they contained: 10, 14, 14, 16, 36, 36, 40, 43, 46, 47, 51 and 59 seeds. so vastly differing amounts per seed pod.

 


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #28468722 - 09/14/23 10:48 AM (4 months, 13 days ago)

So these are mine Delosperma bosseranums this season,





after repoting them to this area most of them are doing quite well :cool:
Now they have a lot of space to self seed which they are usally doing quite vigorously all the time :super:
i grow them from seeds, this is my third year and i never managed to over winter them outside.
Last year i think i overwatered them. i tried to overwinter them in pots near the house and wrapped the pots to keep them a bit warmer but sadly as it got warmer again, they didnt seem to come back and as i checked the root ... yeah soft and rotten ...

I'd love to harvest some more mature roots someday which grew over more than just one season.
But now i have read they arent frost hardy. I think this could also  just be some bs as the info in the net is quite sparse and doesnt seem the be reliable about this plant.
And the near relative delosperma cooperi is supposed to be frost hardy i think.
I live in European hardiness zone 7 and it's getting to -15°C at worst, but not for long periods of time.
I'd cover them over the winter.
Does somebody have some experience in overwintering them?


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #28468903 - 09/14/23 03:50 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

Quote:

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Does somebody have some experience in overwintering them?




I always bring my D. bosseranum plants inside during the winter. I'm in European hardiness zone 8a and likewise didn't succeed in trying to overwinter them outdoors a few years ago.

Do you have positive experiences with the effects of D. bosseranum? I once tried to make a ferment with some leaves and stems, but I didn't notice a whole lot after gradually increasing the dose, even though long ago I read people describing it as more potent than Sceletium tortuosum (kanna).


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #28469084 - 09/14/23 06:32 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

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I always bring my D. bosseranum plants inside during the winter. I'm in European hardiness zone 8a and likewise didn't succeed in trying to overwinter them outdoors a few years ago.



Damn, maybe i'll have to search further for plants which produce mesembrine and are more practical for my climate,
in my experience its not really worthwhile in the long run if it doesnt stand the frost ... (no wintergarden or greenhouse)
Especially since the bosseranum is supposed to produce a worthwhile amount of actives for harvesting in the root not until it matured a couple of years ... but i'd love to get convinced of the opposite :smile:
But I'll try it anyways and report back - both, the overwintering outside and the consumption of immature plants :super:
and maybe do some cuttings for the overwintering inside, as i always have a parasite problem when i bring in soil from outside ...

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Do you have positive experiences with the effects of D. bosseranum? I once tried to make a ferment with some leaves and stems, but I didn't notice a whole lot after gradually increasing the dose, even though long ago I read people describing it as more potent than Sceletium tortuosum (kanna).



The chances are good we have read the same descriptions of the effects if you talk about this and other forums, and these actually convinced me to cultivate the bosseranum. I still think it would be very worthwhile if its a healthy and mature root. And the big appearance in of the root in comparison to cooperi for example is of course very nice ... the hole plant is a beauty

My own experiences so far are not very conclusive, the trials i made were not of very strong effects but definitely no placebo, but i didnt had a great harvest at that time and wanted to wait with further experiments until i am able to harvest mature, healthy and big roots.
In my trials young foliage and roots where used.
I think I'll cut most of the foliage before covering the plants for the winter and try to extract these.

In the same time I'll try to find more succulents producing mesembrine and related alkaloids but its very hard to find any reports except from sceletium.
As far as I know there are some from d. bosseranum, d. cooperi, mesembryanthemum crystallinum and apentia cordifolia but they are very sparse.
But also as far as i know its difficult to get a real apentia and mesembryanthemum which are no weird cross cultivars with unpredictable alkaloids. And i think they wont survive the winter, too. I tried mesembryanthemum once and they didnt but i think it wasnt the real one.
Id absolutely LOVE to have one which grows outside and survives the winter. :heart:


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