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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27322542 - 05/25/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The Ice Saints have passed, so I decided to put my S. tortuosum plants back outdoor again. We're having some cloudy and rainy weather these days, which seemed perfect to slowly get them used to the sun again, and let them rehydrate with fresh rain water. They were overwintering under a HPS light, with only sparce waterings.

Right now they look a bit pale and have thin stems and leaves, but usually it doesn't take long for them to grow thick stems and meaty green leaves again after putting them back outdoors. I'm considering to cut off some of the lanky growth, maybe for cuttings or more likely for fermentation/drying.



The other Sceletium spp. plants were still growing in a small greenhouse in front of a bright window. Sadly some of the plants didn't make it. Sometimes they will just die without an obvious reason, usually during winter. I will give them a repotting soon so they can join the other plants outdoors. If a species didn't make it, I might order some new seeds. If anyone knows of a place to order other Sceletium spp. seeds, I'd love to hear!



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27338979 - 06/07/21 01:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

The other Sceletium spp. have since been repotted and put outside next to the older S. tortuosum plants.

From left to right:
1 pot S. nova
2 pots S. emarcidum
1 pot S. subvelutinum
2 pots S. joubertii



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27352025 - 06/17/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I took all of my succulents back indoors when autumn began to come through. I repotted the plants about four months ago, so they grew a bit lanky due to having new nutrients available in combination with the lower light levels.

   

Four months ago, some seedpods started to form under the faded flowers. These seedpods have finally matured and had dried out on the plant, so I was excited to see if any seeds had formed. One of the bigger plants still is producing flowers, but had one mature seedpod as well. I did some dissection on one of the seedpods to show its structure.

       

The best yielding seedpod had no less than 75 seeds! Even the tiniest seedpod of which I didn't include a picture contained 20 seeds. The other two seedpods I harvested, contained about 40-60 seeds.

The other Sceletium spp. are doing fine as well. They are still indoors in a window sill, but don't get a lot of light these days. Maybe I will place them under a grow LED.

Sceletium nova:



Sceletium emarcidum:

 

Sceletium joubertii:

   

Sceletium sp. SB661:



Sceletium subvelutinum:



I hope they all make it through winter!



Amazing! I should try to cultivate these here in Sicily, they should live nicely!


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Arco]
    #27352563 - 06/17/21 04:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Man, I gotta get me one of these! The benefits seem too good to be true!


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: beadle]
    #27354990 - 06/19/21 09:31 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Why not give it a try then? I don't think they're too difficult to grow!


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27356036 - 06/20/21 05:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just might :thumbup:


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27893237 - 08/07/22 04:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The Sceletium plants are still chugging along. Their last repot was about two years ago, so they're likely not doing as well as they could have. But still most of the S. tortuosum plants are flowering and producing seed pods.

Sceletium tortuosum

   


Sadly not all of the other Sceletium spp. plants have survived the winter. It's somewhat difficult for me to keep them happy indoors during the colder months, especially when the plants are still young.

Sceletium subvelutinum



Sceletium emarcidum



Sceletium joubertii, barely holding on



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27896866 - 08/10/22 05:04 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I transplanted some little tortuosum sprouts yesterday. Currently have more seeds soaking. I sifted through my bag of fermented powder and found a bunch,  hoping they're still viable. These delosperma spalmanthoides are starting to take off, can't find any info about their alkaloid content but I'll test it once it's big and healthy.



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27899613 - 08/11/22 08:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Here's some sceletium tortuosum (hopefully the real deal) i sprouted with a stomatium sp. in the back. Seeds were soaked then placed in vermiculite on about 3 weeks ago. I recently teansfered them to some soil/perlite/gravel mix a couple days ago and I'm already seeing growth. Anyone know if I can keep a light on these 24/7 if not too intense?





Delosperma spalmanthoides:



Pleiospilos nellii:



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27900558 - 08/12/22 12:04 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Beautiful plants! Did you mean you found S. tortuosum seeds in a commercial product, or did you make the fermented powder yourself? Will you test the activity of Delosperma sphalmanthoides through bioassay?


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
    #27902602 - 08/14/22 02:18 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thanks 😊 I'll test the delosperma once it gets a little bigger. Maybe I'll turn it into cuttings and except a dose or two. I collected some dried shriveled material from the base of the pleiospilos nellii that I can test this week too. I'll be out of kanna for a few days so I'll test it once my tolerance goes down. And yes, the most recent sceletium tortuosm (or whatever species/hybrid) seeds I sowed I collected from some good smoker's cut! Halfway thru the bag I got curious and decided to see if some seeds got mixed in the dried material. I found about 40 seeds!


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27902620 - 08/14/22 02:55 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Idk if you've seen this talk but it's very informative. At 30:15 he talks about kanna varieties with different effects growing in different areas. I'm wondering, maybe other species and/or naturally occurring hybrids are utilized for different effects? They can be pretty hard to distinguish but they do have different alkaloid profiles, and "kanna" may not even be a single species according to Trout's notes.



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27905159 - 08/16/22 04:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Any news on the preparation/bioassay of delosperma bosseranum ?
There is very little actual personal experience in the net, only "i've read its used like kanna" and the like.
My delosperma b is currently flowering and seeding and i'm experimenting with preparations.
at first i did a simple ethanolic extract of 30g (fresh) plant matter (this would obviously be much less in dried state), evaporated the alcohol and the left sludge, it was put under the tongue ... relaxation was felt and listening to music was very nice, i think this lasted a bit over a half an hour ... nothing that special yet.

now i want to try different fermentation teknics:
I harvested 55g fresh plantmatter (leaves) and crushed it in water, added a bit sugar and wine yeast, airlocked and waited 7 days until fermentation stopped.
to my surprise it didnt turn brown and stayed in a nice green tone.
currently i'm filtering this through a coffee filter, will further evaporate the liquid of, and it depends on the consistency of the left over sludge how i will go on further .. i think dissolving again in ethanol and filtering and evaporating again will follow.

My plan i to do sth like this:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2826
So with my leftover sludge i want to progress like the method toadman posted.
If my experiment fails i'll try a more classic sun fermentation as often advised, but i'm still wondering if anyone did ever try some kind of yeast fermentation ?
and does anyone know roughly what potency can be expected from the delosperma bosseranum leave matter in general ?
I hope it will be a bit stronger after fermentation than 30g fresh for a light dose :lol:
Also i've read it gets stronger when the plant gets older, and i'm very looking foreward to try the thick roots the plant builds when it older! But my plants are maybe 6 month old .. i hope they'll make it through the frosty winter in my area (central europe)

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Re: Delosperma bosseranum - Sceletium tortuosum - Ephedra sinica [Re: MeanGreen]
    #27905892 - 08/16/22 06:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the link, I'm going to try that out! With sceletium the plants are most potent when flowering i guess, there can be a lot of variation in alkaloids even between different plants tho.

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D. bosseranum seed pods open up before my eyes when they get wet, even though the seed pods look dried up! Have you sampled any of that homemade snuff in the meantime, MeanGreen?



I am slowly working with the delosperma snuff, I did a small allergy test a couple days ago just for safety, and today I took a small line, probably about half of what I usually take with kanna.
I definitely felt it, as far as I could tell it was very similar to the same dose of kanna, maybe slightly more stimulating even but it's too early to tell. It smells exactly like kanna once fermented, too.

So far it seems to me like it could be a really great alternative to Sceletium since it grows much faster and is much more widely available in seed or plant form.

Next time I will double the dose and report back. Curious about trying D. cooperi too now...




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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27906061 - 08/16/22 08:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Your delosperma will probably be more potent after a couple years. I think more alkaloids are also concentrated in the root so I would propagate it and wait for the root to get a decent size. Also from my understanding these plants have yeast that naturally rides along in the roots and thus adding yeast shouldn't be needed for fermentation. Have you tried the oven method? Supposed to be very similar but only takes a few hours.

A couple of my sceletiums are developing their first set of leaves:



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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27906187 - 08/16/22 10:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Here's an interesting study on mesembryanthemum crystallinum and using RED vs. BlUE LED. Red light increased biomass but the blue light led to more production of phytochemicals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214786120300280


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27906189 - 08/16/22 10:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Here's another bioassay of delosperma bosseranum! Taken from shaman-australis. I must start growing these immediately.

"first i'll share an interesting experiment.

db whole plant was prepared for fermentation like sceletium.'fermentation' or similar happened within a day or two,with NO smell at all!!!the whole plant seemed to have the effects usually associated with just the root!a smoother smoke than just dried root,it burnt much better.

previously i just dried the root and smoked it or cut the fresh root wiped it on ciggie papers dried and smoked.this smear is enough to be active.

it may be a personal thing but some people definately prefer it to sceletium,which is too mild for me to use very often.though i've been told cactus/sceletium is worthwhile.

i've found conciderable synergy between db root and some other mild stimulants that have impressed me so much i'm keeping it secret until i work it out.

t s t ."

https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2265-delosperma-bosseranum/


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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27912741 - 08/21/22 06:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Idk if these belong in this thread but I found some aptenia cordifolia at the hardware store, I might go back for another one. I took 2 cuttings as well. I read 15g was supposed to be really nice, more dreamy than sceletium.





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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: Mr.Giggles]
    #27916983 - 08/24/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So my fermentation experiment was not a fail, but not really a big success either ... I'll probably have to wait until the plants are older as you already suggested ... plants are really good teachers in patience :lol:
after fermentation and evaporation i continued with the leftover exactly like its described in the recipe in the tread i posted.
dissolved in alcohol, filtered and evaporated,
dissolved in water, filtered and evaporated ...
i was left with some sticky stuff which was fully dissolveable in even cold water, i think there were emulgators in the dry yeast as this should not happen, i should be left with some more powdery stuff ... anyway i ingested in the end the hole yield at once (which wasnt that easy by the nasal route because of this consistency)
and again, pleasant for an half an hour but nothing exciting.
in this young stage the potency is just to low ...
I'm really really hoping they'll survive the winter as it can get down to -20°C sometimes here.

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Here's another bioassay of delosperma bosseranum! Taken from shaman-australis......



Thanks for the link, i always enjoyed reading the reports of ts tantra, but wasnt aware of this one! very interesting

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Here's an interesting study on mesembryanthemum crystallinum and using RED vs. BlUE LED. Red light increased biomass but the blue light led to more production of phytochemicals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214786120300280




coincidentally I'm cultivating mesembryanthemum crystallinum too, so very interesting! I wont buy blue lights now lol, but do you think this could mean, that at noontime when the sun is at the highest state and blue and UV lights are at the intensest state, the alkaloid content is higher as in the evening or in the night?
My plants are soon in a more harvestable state, maybe they dont have to be a couple of years old to be potent as the delospermas, my next experiment will be with these, i'll probably harvest them at noon!

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Idk if these belong in this thread but I found some aptenia cordifolia at the hardware store, I might go back for another one. I took 2 cuttings as well. I read 15g was supposed to be really nice, more dreamy than sceletium.








Pretty ones! i was thinking about cultivating aptenias too, but then i was a bit put off, as i have read in another forum aptenias are notorious for being so many different hybrids and cultivars and whatnot around that it would be very lucky to get potent ones, but its probably the same with all the alternative mesembrine containing succulents :lol:

Good luck and if you test them let us know how it went!
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Re: Official Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna), Delosperma bosseranum and other Sceletium spp. Thread [Re: fantanyl]
    #27918074 - 08/25/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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So my fermentation experiment was not a fail, but not really a big success either ... I'll probably have to wait until the plants are older as you already suggested ... plants are really good teachers in patience :lol:
after fermentation and evaporation i continued with the leftover exactly like its described in the recipe in the tread i posted.
dissolved in alcohol, filtered and evaporated,
dissolved in water, filtered and evaporated ...
i was left with some sticky stuff which was fully dissolveable in even cold water, i think there were emulgators in the dry yeast as this should not happen, i should be left with some more powdery stuff ... anyway i ingested in the end the hole yield at once (which wasnt that easy by the nasal route because of this consistency)
and again, pleasant for an half an hour but nothing exciting.
in this young stage the potency is just to low ...
I'm really really hoping they'll survive the winter as it can get down to -20°C sometimes here.

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Mr.Giggles said:
Here's another bioassay of delosperma bosseranum! Taken from shaman-australis......



Thanks for the link, i always enjoyed reading the reports of ts tantra, but wasnt aware of this one! very interesting

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Mr.Giggles said:
Here's an interesting study on mesembryanthemum crystallinum and using RED vs. BlUE LED. Red light increased biomass but the blue light led to more production of phytochemicals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214786120300280




coincidentally I'm cultivating mesembryanthemum crystallinum too, so very interesting! I wont buy blue lights now lol, but do you think this could mean, that at noontime when the sun is at the highest state and blue and UV lights are at the intensest state, the alkaloid content is higher as in the evening or in the night?
My plants are soon in a more harvestable state, maybe they dont have to be a couple of years old to be potent as the delospermas, my next experiment will be with these, i'll probably harvest them at noon!

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Mr.Giggles said:
Idk if these belong in this thread but I found some aptenia cordifolia at the hardware store, I might go back for another one. I took 2 cuttings as well. I read 15g was supposed to be really nice, more dreamy than sceletium.








Pretty ones! i was thinking about cultivating aptenias too, but then i was a bit put off, as i have read in another forum aptenias are notorious for being so many different hybrids and cultivars and whatnot around that it would be very lucky to get potent ones, but its probably the same with all the alternative mesembrine containing succulents :lol:

Good luck and if you test them let us know how it went!
:hatsoff:




I still check my plants like 5 times per day to see if they suddenly have a growth spurt lol I made an isopropyl extract of 20g nonfermented kanna, I didn't weigh the final product but it's probably around 2g. Some of it was a little more pwdery, I've been sniffing it, around maybe 25-50mg, it has a nice buzz to it, maybe somewhere between the MZ-0 and MT-55 extracts. I think I need to dissolve it into some water into a nasal spray bottle to get the most out of it. I had some really good fermented kanna root from a vendor out of france, great price and potent, I'm going to order some more and do another extraction. The last bag I got from them i sifted through and found like 60 seeds. 4 have sprouted, 2 died tho. Fermentarion may have affected viability. Hoping these little ones pull through, I know they come from good stock. I collected the dead leaves from the aptenia, I may try to ferment them. I'll try to find the report of a 15g dose, I think dude said he liked it more than kanna. This cultivar is a variegated one called "mezoo" and is sold under dorotheanthus bellidiformis, which it is not. I did plant some dorotheanthus too though to test them out.


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