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nnn-yan
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Going on Vacation, also entering the fruiting stage, Qs
#19024957 - 10/24/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys! so over the past month or so I have been working with Cubes with rye and spawned to coir verm mix. I have 56qt monotubs that got spawned on 10/15/13. so its 100% colonized but no pins. The situation is I go on vacation in about 4-5 weeks so I need them to start fruiting soon, Can someone confirm that I don't NEED to have pins to enter the fruiting stage and everything will be alright as long as "proper care" is in order? thanks!!!
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tripluv
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Re: Going on Vacation, also entering the fruiting stage, Qs [Re: nnn-yan]
#19024994 - 10/24/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If its 100% colonized, its ready for fruiting. If you wait for pins, you'll likely get more aborts
from FrankHorrigan tips and tricks: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18784975#18784975 "Consolidation is for highly nutritious substrates such as BRF + verm. The mycelium needs time to digest the substrate before fruiting.
Bulk substrate is less nutritious than PF cakes and can be fruited at 100%. As fresh air is the number one pinning trigger, it is important to give it what it needs as soon as possible for best results.
My two cents on the practical application of consolidating bulk is this:
When I'm fruiting my tubs, I try to avoid aborts whenever possible. I hate the little fuckers, taking up space on my substrate and failing to mature into the beautiful mushroom I know they could be.
Back when I first started working with tubs a lot, I did consolidate everything. The pinsets could end up being quite massive!
But come harvest time, I would find a shitload of my pretty pinset aborted. That sucks.
When colonizing your tub, the RH is near 100%.
Your mycelium needs this (and high CO2 levels) to grow rapidly while it consumes the available substrate. After 100% colonization, the mycelium realizes it has no more food available to it and starts trying to pin. This process of going from "ready" to "pinning" takes a few days to a week depending on what you are working with.
Here is my theory:
By keeping the colonizing conditions (100% RH and high CO2) when your tub is starting to knot up, you are essentially "tricking" the mycelium into thinking that 100% RH and high CO2 levels are what it has to work with.
When you change this abruptly (at the sight of pins, for example) you are going to be making the conditions less ideal for the pinset that has been produced. That leads to a larger number of aborts.
You can certainly get a larger pinset when you consolidate your tubs. I don't have any doubt.
But I've said it before, a larger pinset is not necessarily a better pinset.
For these reasons, I choose to give it fresh air as soon as it is 100% colonized. By doing this I introduce my mycelium to its fruiting conditions as soon as possible. so that it can be "accustomed" to them and fruit as well as it can with what it has got. I hope this makes sense"
Edited by tripluv (10/24/13 11:14 AM)
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nnn-yan
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Re: Going on Vacation, also entering the fruiting stage, Qs [Re: tripluv]
#19025123 - 10/24/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you Sir! great info!
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