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The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram
    #19023307 - 10/24/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Uruguay is trying to undercut the competition — i.e. drug traffickers — in its new weed utopia. But cheap pot has consequences...
By Peter Weber | October 23, 2013


Americans aren't the only ones embracing the idea of legalizing marijuana. In August, the lower house of Uruguay's national legislature approved a groundbreaking law that would fully legalize marijuana, so long as it is grown at home or cannabis co-ops, or purchased at government-run markets. President Jose Mujica is expected to push it thorough the Senate, where his party has a solid majority, and sign it in November.

This week, Uruguay's drug czar — a very different job than in the U.S. — unveiled his target price for the state-run pot markets: $1 a gram. A gram is enough for one large joint or two small ones. Government sales are expected to start in the second half of 2014.

A dollar a gram, or $28 an ounce, is ridiculously cheap compared to the legal (and most illegal) markets in the U.S. and Europe — at U.S. medical marijuana dispensaries, prices are typically $8 to $14 per gram; recreational pot is generally more expensive. But Uruguay's price is only a slight discount from the going rate on the country's street, where dealers reportedly sell a gram for about $1.40. Still, a discount is a discount, and if the $1/gram plan becomes law, it will be bad news for narcotraffickers.

That's the point, says Julio Calzada, Uruguay's drug policy chief. Illegal marijuana is "very risky and bad quality," he told Uruguay's El País newspaper. The government-run markets are going to "provide a safe place to buy, a high-quality product, and, on top of that, they're going to sell it at the same price." The state isn't in this to make money, he adds.

So, primo pot purchased legally for about $3.50 an eighth, plus driving criminal drug traffickers out of business to boot — what's not to like?

First of all, the same arguments against legalizing marijuana apply to selling it on the cheap. The biggest concern about legalizing weed is that there will be "a big upsurge in heavy use, and that worry would be exacerbated to the extent that the growth in heavy use is among juveniles," says Mark Kleiman at The Reality-Based Community. "If cannabis prices are allowed to fall to something like their free-market levels, a very large increase in heavy use would be the likely result."

Uruguay is planning to manipulate the market downward with price caps. Even at today's inflated U.S. market prices, pot is "a remarkably cheap intoxicant" — less expensive than alcohol, Kleiman says. And prices will drop a lot more once the risk of being busted evaporates and mass production kicks in. If anything, states and countries with legal marijuana should tax recreational purpose fairly heavily, he adds. Anyone worried that pot is too expensive "is spending far too much time stoned."

The second problem is quality. You can already get pot for $2 or $3 a gram in the U.S. — "the product is called Mexican schwagg... mostly seeds and stems, state of the art circa 1974," a Washington State pot grower tells The Dish's Andrew Sullivan. You can mass-produce marijuana to bring down prices, but factory-farming pot won't make demanding smokers very happy.

Marijuana... has trichomes, which break with handling; they're fragile; they taste bad when grown poorly and keeping them in the good condition discerning buyers expect takes some work and skill. Nice flowers command the price they do because of the labor involved. Demand is high because most growers aren't very good at it.... Big factory grows (which already exist and supply the medical market) will probably have the same problems they already have in their quest to equal the quality of smaller ma-and-pa farms. Budweiser doesn't make an India Pale Ale. [The Dish]

If the price of legal pot is too high, drug traffickers will be able to sell it for cheaper on the black market. But with legal prices capped at $1 a gram, a new black market for super-kind bud could emerge. Yuppie stoners would still run afoul of the law.

"I haven't ever smoked Uruguay marijuana, so I'm not sure how good it is," says the pseudonymous Johnny Green at The Weed Blog. "But if it's as good as medium grade sun grown marijuana in Southern Oregon or better, that would be an amazing deal. If it's for schwag, that's actually a bit of a price gouge."

There's one more problem with $1-a-gram marijuana: The only people who can buy it are residents of Uruguay. That "should be a boon for Uruguayans concerned about pot tourism," says Jess Remington at Reason, but "a disappointing drawback for said potential pot tourists."


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19024088 - 10/24/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Even at today's inflated U.S. market prices, pot is "a remarkably cheap intoxicant" — less expensive than alcohol, Kleiman says




It'd be a welcome at my university to not have the rape talk for all the freshmen I think.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19024115 - 10/24/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So basically, the downside of selling marijuana for $1 a gram remains to be seen and is nothing but an unproven hypothesis at this point.

And the yuppie stoners would still be free to grow their own super-kind bud. I think this new Uruguayan law is a win for everyone, except the narco-traffickers.

I thought I had become a bit of a pot snob, but to be honest, I found my preferred buds to be more strain dependent than grow method dependent. As long as it was mostly sensimilla and well cared for and handled it didn't matter if it was grown indoors or outdoors, I simply preferred some strains over others. Sure the indoor was usually prettier to look at, but I bought buds to consume through combustion, not to look at.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Ojom] * 2
    #19024347 - 10/24/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Terrible article. :nonono:


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: NetDiver]
    #19024483 - 10/24/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think id buy the black market good stuff often, of course i would sometimes, but the majority of the time i would just buy the 1$ shwag and make some hash

but didnt they say you could grow your own, problem solved, buying the black market stuff even less now, only when im in between seasons

although this is al hypothetical, i dont live in uraguy and i dont smoke weed


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19024522 - 10/24/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Medium grade southern Oregon sun-grown is some very kind bud indeed.  As long as they aren't bricking it up or storing it in garbage bags, I think Uruguay could grow pretty decent $1/g bud.  If they get some genetics trickling in from the rest of the world, it could be even better.  Don't ever downplay the quality of a good landrace lineage though.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Ojom]
    #19024902 - 10/24/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So basically, the downside of selling marijuana for $1 a gram remains to be seen and is nothing but an unproven hypothesis at this point.





Exactly. Fucking stupid article and it seemed to be a little anti-drug as well. And it makes the assumption that all the weed will be poor quality. If you have the right system, growing dank is not such an expensive process. Presumably their Government is powerful enough to employ highly efficient set ups.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: s240779]
    #19025464 - 10/24/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does't matter the quality if its 28$/oz lol :shrug:


could just make the entire oz into bho and even if its crappy stuff youll still get a good 2 grams or so


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19026121 - 10/24/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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at U.S. medical marijuana dispensaries, prices are typically $8 to $14 per gram; recreational pot is generally more expensive.




damn, he must have a shitty hook-up and/or goes to the wrong dispensaries.

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Anyone worried that pot is too expensive "is spending far too much time stoned."




what is your article about again?

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If the price of legal pot is too high, drug traffickers will be able to sell it for cheaper on the black market.




Maybe you've just been hitting the greens "far too much".

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But with legal prices capped at $1 a gram, a new black market for super-kind bud could emerge. Yuppie stoners would still run afoul of the law.




See how if you put the word "yuppie" in front of "stoner" how much more it derogatory you can get? :lol:

Yes, cannabis should be legal and cheap, but the market should determine that based on supply and demand- which is why herb is a fairly "cheap intoxicant", despite it's legal status in a lot of places.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: creationdivine]
    #19027005 - 10/24/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Budwiser doesnt make an IPA...  uh...  what does that have to do with growing good weed


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: SnowDaze]
    #19027324 - 10/24/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's an analogy.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: s240779]
    #19027395 - 10/24/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

a shitty one


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: SnowDaze] * 1
    #19027962 - 10/24/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

inb4 angry stoners

oh wait...


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19028450 - 10/24/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I LOVE the statement

"Budweiser doesnt make an IPA"

They sure fucking dont :lol:


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: SnowDaze]
    #19028479 - 10/24/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Budwiser doesnt make an IPA...  uh...  what does that have to do with growing good weed




Its an analogy to the idea of micro breweries (or grows in the analogy) that tend to small containers, barrels, houses, w e you want to call it to ensure the finest quality, versus commercial production which produces on a massive scale yet doesnt invest the time or money to come up with better products as obviously this takes finer tuning and cant be done on a large scale


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #19029473 - 10/25/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Budwiser doesnt make an IPA...  uh...  what does that have to do with growing good weed




Its an analogy to the idea of micro breweries (or grows in the analogy) that tend to small containers, barrels, houses, w e you want to call it to ensure the finest quality, versus commercial production which produces on a massive scale yet doesnt invest the time or money to come up with better products as obviously this takes finer tuning and cant be done on a large scale





The cheapest beer in 99.9% of pubs in the UK is Greene King IPA and it is produced in barrels/casks by the million.. the analogy does not work. Budweiser don't make one because it might have flavour, therefore highlighting how piss poor all their other beer is.

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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19030333 - 10/25/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's the point, says Julio Calzada, Uruguay's drug policy chief. Illegal marijuana is "very risky..."




:facepalm:

I love how they never explain how its risky.

OMGZ ITS GONNA RUINZ YOUR LIFE!!1111

"How?"

IT JUST IS!!!


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Uzziel]
    #19030363 - 10/25/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I smoked weed from Paraguay in chile. It has a very bad reputation there.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Uzziel]
    #19030453 - 10/25/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Uzziel said:
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That's the point, says Julio Calzada, Uruguay's drug policy chief. Illegal marijuana is "very risky..."




:facepalm:

I love how they never explain how its risky.

OMGZ ITS GONNA RUINZ YOUR LIFE!!1111

"How?"

IT JUST IS!!!




The sheer illegality of it is probably the greatest risk.


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Re: The Downside of Selling Marijuana for $1 a Gram [Re: Ojom]
    #19057371 - 10/30/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

WHO GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THE QUALITY WHEN YOU CAN BUY IT'S 28/O and $448 for a POUND.  If your so concerned about quality, make some hash or cannabutter out of it.  Shit, mexican schwag mids in my area run 20-40/Q.


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